Talk:Matteo Darmian

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Armenian origin[edit]

There's not a single source that says this besides FIFA and posts of people who read FIFA website or this page in the last few hours. Personally I don't think FIFA is that reliable, seeing as sometimes informations on FIFA site and Wikipedia differ (heights, for instance, but in Wikipedia there are sources for heights). I'm not going to remove the sentence, since I'm sure somebody will undo my removal, but I'm asking you to take into account the possibility of FIFA having written erroneous info. And if Wikipedia writes the same thing, other sites will do the same. Should it prove wrong, it will be almost impossible to correct it, because there would be plenty of sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.239.50.207 (talk) 19:07, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you, such information should be supported by more direct sources, for instance an interview to the player himself - that would definitely be a reliable source, no one could deny it.
Plus I've found a website in Italian stating that Darmian is of Venetian descent (from Veneto region, in Northern Italy), they literally write "He has got Venetian origins and as a kid he was trained by his father, who was one of the two coaches in the oratory" (in Italian, "Ha origini venete e da piccolo lo allenava suo padre, che era uno dei due tecnici dell'oratorio"). The website I'm talking about is http://www.gossippiu.com/2014/06/matteo-darmian-e-francesca-tutti-i.html.
Now what are we going to do with this source? Must we pretend it doesn't exist?--79.16.212.80 (talk) 00:48, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
New contribution to the matter.... Today I came across this article about Darmian, an article published on an online newspaper, where the journalist interviews Darmian's father, Giovanni Darmian (simply known as Gigi among friends, as the article reports). This is the link: http://www.prealpina.it/sport/calcio/2014/6/18/da-rescaldina-al-brasile/3336132/2010481/.
Well, it's easy to notice that Mr. Giovanni "Gigi" Darmian's first name and nickname are evidently non-Armenian (they're full Italian, if anyone has any doubts), but what's most important is that throughout the whole interview Darmian Sr. never mentions a foreign descent about his family and his son Matteo (another full Italian name, by the way). Isn't it a little odd? At least a little suspicious? I mean, not a single mention about an alleged Armenian descent, he was relating his son's story, since Matteo's prime in a local oratory's football club, there's even a mention about Mr. Giovanni playing football himself as a youngster.... and still no reference to the family being Armenian-Italian? A little strange, isn't it?
Plus, not even an Italian website in the whole Internet stating that Darmian is Armenian, not a single word about this matter reported by Darmian himself....there's even an article in Italian mentioning his Venetian origins (very likely by the way, if you think about Northeastern Italian surnames as a whole).....what does this all mean? Maybe that he's got no Armenian ancestry, that he's full Italian?
Personally, I think the whole "Armenian ancestry" matter about Darmian is just a hoax, a simple fabrication by someone who deliberately made up the whole thing. It's just a shame that such disinformation gets spread on the Internet like that, I'm not even surprised about it because it happens so many times but I just hope you guys check your sources better and make sure they're reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.232.212.109 (talk) 01:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's more likely that Armenian ancestry was assumed because of his surname rather than being some sort of calculated, nefarious hoax. The claim didn't come from either Italian or Armenian sources but his profile page on the official English language FIFA website (a "reliable" source). On the one hand, Italians of Armenian descent are not unheard of (Giorgio Petrosyan, Laura Ephrikian) and Venice in particular has a history of Armenian settlement (San Lazzaro degli Armeni). On the other hand, the lack of supporting evidence, especially in Italian, indeed breeds doubt. Jackal 08:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're right about that, Italy has definitely been a melting pot during its history and Armenian settlements are one of the many multiethnical realities in the country, that's a fact. But, in the case of Darmian, the lack of supporting evidence in Italian is a fact as well, I mean if the information was true without any doubt media would've talked about it somewhere, at least a quick reference in some newspaper article. That does breed doubt, as you said.
As for the surname itself, a lot of Northeastern Italian surnames sound like Darmian, mostly in Veneto region. Differently from most of Italian surnames, a lot of these last names often end with a consonant in spite of a vowel, it's just a matter of dialect - basically, they didn't get italianized throughout the centuries and still keep their old dialect form. That's also the case with many Italian football players such as Gianluigi Buffon, Mattia Perin, Simone Padoin, Manuel Pasqual, Marco Donadel, etc. Such surnames might sound non-Italian to foreigners, I understand that, but they're very common in the North-East of Italy (also in many other regions actually, because of the emigration from Veneto to other Italian regions during the 20th century).
Surname Darmian in Italy: http://www.gens.info/italia/it/turismo-viaggi-e-tradizioni-italia?cognome=darmian&x=0&y=0#.U6pNifldWaU
Tons of sources corroborating Armenian origin. No sources disprove his Armenian origin. I think until proven otherwise it should state Armenian. Here more. http://www.football-italia.net/50656/darmian-provides-italy-hope http://www.vavel.com/en/international-football/germany-bundesliga/499786-matteo-darmian-set-to-become-bayerns-first-summer-signing.html Freeanthony (talk) 03:10, 13 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

--79.50.170.77 (talk) 18:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection[edit]

This is getting out of hand, Paulo Dybala's page was protected for much less.Danieletorino2 (talk) 02:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Danieletorino2. Requests for page protection should be made at WP:RFPP. Instructions on how to do so are on that page. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 04:13, 2 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2015[edit]

The article states that Matteo Darmian has no roots to Armenia. This is not true as it has been confirmed that both of his parents are Armenians who emigrated to Italy.

Zork1886 (talk) 15:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Nowhere in the article does it say that Darmian has no roots to Armenia. Cannolis (talk) 16:19, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Zork1886 (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)It clearly says "Both FIFA[5] and state broadcaster Public Radio of Armenia have mistakenly stated that Darmian is of Armenian origin"[reply]

Just check http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/y=2014/m=6/news=italy-s-darmian-living-the-dream-2383213.html it clearly says "Born to a family with Armenian roots in the Lombardy town of Legnano...." Show me the source that says otherwise? FIFA is the most reliable source on this matter so far....

Its not mistakenly if its true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zork1886 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2015[edit]

So been checking up sources to see if he is of Armenian origins or not. And I can NOT find any source that confirms that he is NOT Armenian, but on the other hand I can find several sources that state that he has Armenian ancestry. He is an Italian-Armenian, end of story. Change.

Zork1886 (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - Everyone has numerous ancestries, but that does not mean we are going to list them all. You need to cite a reliable source that he considers himself Italian-Armenian, not just that he has Armenian ancestry. - Arjayay (talk) 18:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Zork1886 (talk) 13:33, 8 July 2015 (UTC) Yeah ok sure whatever, but all Im saying is that it is equally wrong to state that the information about him being Armenian is false as it is to state that he is Armenian. Just don't write anything about the Armenia information until we have concrete evidence where it can be proofed that either it is true or it is not.[reply]

I speak fluent Italian and English and can confirm it has never ONCE been mentioned in any Italian press or by the player himself that he is Armenian. His father's name is even Giovanni. Danieletorino2 (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ahahah Typical Armenian Pseudo history, anyone with ian in history has to be armenian and if not still somewhere we need to list that HE HAS ARMENIAN ancestry guys stop spreading hoaxes if this guy tomorrow goes public and says YES I AM ARMENIAN then fine he is but until then all the "coach" scientist can go back to their pseudo books 37.210.176.242 (talk) 06:31, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester United?[edit]

Darmian joined Man Utd

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2015/Jul/manchester-united-completes-signing-of-italy-defender-matteo-darmian.aspx

Frankie Sinclair (talk) 20:39, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the last name Darmian (15 July 2015)[edit]

Hi. I'm user L'Utente anonimo and I have found a link to a website which is reliable. I am almost certain of its reliability due to the fact that the source came from the Heraldry Institute (Italia) and presents accurate information on the origin of the last name "Darmian". You can find the link for it below. Even if Darmian does have Armenian roots as claimed by several media outlets, the fact of the matter is the surname "Darmian" is of Milanese origin and dates back to the 16th century.

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This reference does not talk about Mattia Darmian specifically. It only walks about the surname in general. Not good enough. Vaselineeeeeeee (talk) 12:33, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Darmian: Heraldry Institute.com

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