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- 1 Infobox screenshot
- 2 Opera next?
- 3 Feature changes in Opera Next - Mail not integrated
- 4 Opera 15 (Stable) is released
- 5 Opera 15 is no longer Opera (presto), it's a Chromium clone.
- 6 Opera 15 is stable; article describes legacy versions
- 7 Opera 10.60 the last good version
- 8 Status of Linux and FreeBSD support
- 9 FAR
- 10 Stop re-adding the PC World review
- 11 Major changes
- 12 Opera Turbo
Its page claims that the screenshot is from a vanilla installation of Opera but it isn't:
- shows the Bookmarks bar, disabled by default;
- uses a custom theme instead of the default one.
Feature changes in Opera Next - Mail not integrated
Mail is now a new application. Mention in page but only when Opera Next is stable(?). Then page will need a massive rewrite. Mention new Mail app there or create new page? Comp.arch (talk) 16:12, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Opera 15 (Stable) is released
Opera 15 is released, please update article and new logo:
- Whether it is stable or not, currently v12.16 (released this week) is what is offered at the moment from the download page. Both versions should be shown, and maybe a totally separate section to cover Opera 15. Maybe an expansion of the 'Reception' section to cover Opera 15 is needed, most of the reception has been pretty hostile... Dsergeant (talk) 13:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
Opera 15 is no longer Opera (presto), it's a Chromium clone.
Due to the fact that Opera has abandoned it's previous browser & engine, I would like to suggest all references to the previous opera be moved into a "pre-chromium" section, or deleted. Most if not all features no longer exist in the new browser, and the awards could almost be seen as blatantly false advertising (demonstration of merchantability) of a different product. The new Chromium engined version should stand on it's own merits, and not rest on the laurels of something it is not. AE7EC (talk) 07:32, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, but not sure what is the best way of handling it. For some considerable time there will be many of us using Opera 12 and not updating to O15+. A totally separate section for Opera 15+ is probably best, maybe in front of the Presto version description which could stay largely unchanged. Or totally separate articles, they are so different that you simply cannot cover them in one. Dsergeant (talk) 16:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
- Please don't get sentimental on Wikipedia. There's no need for a different section for Opera 15. The current stable version should be described and the legacy version will have its space in History of the Opera web browser article and also in the main features article. Since it still have similar major features like Speed Dial and it isn't a "Chrome clone" it shouldn't be hard, but the article needs a major rework since it's still citing beta products or products for older platforms like Windows Mobile that are long in the past as if these were the highlights of Opera Software's work. I can take a look when I have time. --Rafaelluik (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
Opera 15 is stable; article describes legacy versions
Opera 15 and recently Opera 16 are stable builds and are promoted as the current versions by Opera. This page needs to be reworked, especially in the features section (see Features of the Opera web browser ). Tagging it as incorrect until someone corrects it (I can't at the moment). — Preceding unsigned comment added by TvF (talk • contribs) 16:44, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Opera 10.60 the last good version
I still use Opera 10.60. I have tried later versions and found them unsatisfactory.
•Newer versions cannot display multi- page articles.
•Newer versions cannot tolerate multiple instances of Opera running simultaneously.
•Newer versions always try to update on start. This feature cannot be turned off (there is a setting to turn it off, but it does not work).
Opera developers have come under the negative influence of inferior browsers such as Chrome and Firefox. Opera has been essentially ruined --- at least, judging by the most recent versions I have tried. ---Dagme (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Status of Linux and FreeBSD support
The article currently lists Linux and FreeBSD as platforms "until 12.16". This is true but somewhat misleading, as Opera Software have said many times that Linux support is planned and underway. The current listing gives the impression that these platforms have been discontinued. (Although, this may yet turn out to be the case for FreeBSD.) I feel we need some sort of wording such as "* these platforms have not yet been updated from 12.16". The real difficulty with this approach is choosing words to fit in the sidebar, and my edits have already been contested. I think the easiest solution would be not to make any remark about the temporary lack of support, which is not untrue, as 12.16 is currently still supported. —WOFall (talk) 00:30, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
- I've now replaced the text with a note, although I still think it's unnecessary to mention at all. —WOFall (talk) 20:14, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: The update template have been tagged since August 2013. Remember the dot, please take note. If problems are not solved, I will list it at FAR. HYH.124 (talk) 09:32, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
- Listed. HYH.124 (talk) 08:48, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Stop re-adding the PC World review
This site is called Wikipedia, not "PC World outdated opinionated review place". Above everything, a review has no place in the History section. If you want to include at least do it properly, and don't make facts up. --Rafaelluik (talk) 21:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
- Text in question:
Michael Muchmore, writing in PC Magazine, commented in a review of Opera 20 shortly after its release that, on replacing its own Presto engine by Google's, Opera had become largely an interface built on top of Chrome, using Chrome's underlying code. Users who wanted the ingenious Opera features dropped in later versions could download version 12, still maintained. Opera 20 was rated lower than Google Chrome 33, Firefox 27, and Internet Explorer.
- The text as-is doesn't say anything and isn't encyclopedic, so I agree it should be removed. However, it might be an appropriate place to comment on Opera 15's general reception, if it's considered noteworthy, and if anyone is bothered to research it. Side note: PC World isn't an ideal reference, but I wouldn't object to it based on the overall standard of referencing in the article. —WOFall (talk) 00:06, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I have rewritten the article in order to reflect recent events and newly available information. These are some of the changes.
- I deleted out-of-date information related to the market share and added new info with references.
- I changed the links to Archive.is with the original links or with Wayback Machine's ones, due to Archive.is's links are not permitted on the English Wikipedia.
- I modified the information in the section of Features to indicate only Opera Blink's characteristics. Opera Presto's features are still available in Features of the Opera web browser.
- I moved discontinued versions for devices to History of the Opera web browser.--Noble Caraqueño (talk) 20:18, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
To comment on this recent edit, Opera Turbo is still a feature of Chromium-based Opera. It was renamed to "Off-Road", and then changed back to "Turbo" in Opera 22 or 23. I don't particularly care to revert the edit myself, because there seems to anyway be an effort to move features into the features of article (such as the previous edit moving "mouse gestures"). —WOFall (talk) 19:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)