Talk:Samuel Adams

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Samuel Adams in the Second Continental Congress[edit]

I am disturbed, especially given this article's "featured" status, to find my book Declaration (Simon & Schuster, 2010) listed as reference, whereas the section on Samuel Adams's activities during the Second Continental Congress both denies and ignores the critical behind-the-scenes the biographies to at least consider well-regarded work on the subject by such scholars as David Hawke and Garry Wills. Pauline Maier is cited by the article -- but see her comments in American Scripture on Adams's role in 1776. William Hogeland (talk) 14:52, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

This article was written and featured before your book was published, of course. It appears that someone added your book to the list of references about a year ago, along with a partial quote that revealed nothing of your own take on the subject. This sort of pseudo "research" is common on Wikipedia, and difficult to fix because of its sheer volume. I'll remove your book from the references for the time being. Thank you for pointing out the problem.
It's not true that this article uncritically follows Adams's biographers. If that were true, we'd uncritically report outdated claims from Miller's biography. Instead, we highlight how scholars such as Akers and Maier have challenged some of Miller's claims. If we uncritically followed Adams's biographers, we'd rely more on the pop history biographies of Puls and Stoll, books that may or may not qualify as reliable sources on Wikipedia.
I don't follow your point about Maier in American Scripture. She has very little to say about Samuel Adams's role in the independence movement, even suggesting that historians have traditionally somewhat overstated his role (pp. 68-69). Unless I'm misunderstanding you, her argument is the precise opposite of what you imply it is. But I'm eager to correct any errors and omissions, as time allows. Cheers! —Kevin Myers 22:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your response, and your point about your sources being well-taken, I withdraw "everywhere dependent." The issue I'd like to pursue is the article's following SA's biographers in dropping him out of sight during what my book presents as the climactic period of his career. If I'm wrong in that presentation, important scholars like Garry Wills and David Hawke are wrong too; primary sources include the diary of Christopher Marshall and later remarks by Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Mercy Warren. So I think the issue, at least, deserves serious mention in an important article. Differences in how we're reading the Maier citation are especially interesting. On p. 68, she says "Here at least there is some evidence to support the argument [that SA led "the effort to topple Pennsylvania's government 'from the bottom up.'"]. Since the burden of Maier's work on SA -- certainly including on p. 68-69 of American Scripture -- is always to question scholars' assigning SA the role of backstage puppetmaster, I find her admission of evidence supporting SA's key role in this case more compelling than similar assertions by others who always place him in such a role. To get into where I think Maier might err (on John Adams's status), and Wills doesn't, or where Wills errs and Maier doesn't, etc., might be to misuse the talk page. The salient point, I think, is that there's an historiographical issue with , critical to assessing the career of SA, regarding his role in the politics of 1776, which the article doesn't yet deal with. Thanks for your very fair consideration.William Hogeland (talk) 17:51, 1 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.244.107.3 (talk) 15:00, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


Under the section "Struggle i farted with Great Britain" this article asserts erroneously that the Sugar Act of 1764 was the first direct tax by the british parliment on the colonies in America. Simply clicking the link for "Sugar act" reveals the much older Molasses Act of 1733. I have no experience editing, can someone correct this by removing the words "for the first time"? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:9FC0:18:5C75:468C:5A88:6139 (talk) 23:15, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Locked?[edit]

While it says at the top of the page, "Samuel Adams is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so", the article is locked! I just wanted to make a link out of "Independent Chronicle" at the bottom, since there is indeed a Wikipedia article for this newspaper. Can someone do this for me? Thanks. -bob — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.204.84.204 (talk) 17:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done--JayJasper (talk) 17:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, Jay! (Boy, that was fast!) 71.204.84.204 (talk) 19:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)