Talk:Staffan de Mistura

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Stub class[edit]

I plan to expand it. SteveRamone 23:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Start class[edit]

Ditto. SteveRamone 02:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling of the name: Di Mistura[edit]

The correct spelling of this diplomat's name is really Staffan Di Mistura. Can someone change this also in the title of the page? --JanDeFietser (talk) 21:23, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the move has already been made, but could provide any reliable sources to back up that claim? I could understand if someone's name is misspelled by the press, so in most cases I believe this type of claims. However, in this case, the UN Secretary General's office (his employer) actually calls him "de Mistura" in their press announcements and that's why I chose the "de" spelling as the correct one when merging the two duplicate articles. Tomas e (talk) 15:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, these press announcements are wrong (de is how English pronounce what the Italians write as di). But now the source... --JanDeFietser (talk) 13:35, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, what can be found from the Swedish official records in the CD ROM database "Swedish Death Index 1901-2009" shows the family members as being officially registered as de Mistura there. His mother, his younger brother and his father's first Swedish wife are noted as deceased in Sweden in the database. So di Mistura might be the correct official spelling in Italy, but not - it seems - in Sweden. Pemer42 (talk) 21:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nationalitiy of two EU-countries[edit]

Under personal life Dual citizen of Italy and Sweden

Is it possible? I thought not. I can't at least. I had to choose between my current (Dutch) and the one of residence. Why an exception for him? Greetings from Tuscany, Klaas|Z4␟V: 12:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC) edited 12:37, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's my understanding that the governments of some countries do allow dual citizenship while some others do not. So it is possible. But I don't know specifically if Italy and/or Sweden allow such.

As to your Village Pump question, my informal impression as a native (U.S.) English speaker is that "citizen" tends to be weighted more specifically to one's legal/bureaucratic status. One's affiliation with a formal nation state government.

I think "nationality" may be used to refer to one's cultural and ethnic affiliations as well as or instead of just one's connection to a bureaucratic nation state. Or at least used more often this way than "citizen" is. Usage overlaps sometimes times in some contexts.

An example might be that before the fall of the Berlin Wall and German unification one might refer to someone's citizenship as being 'East German' and also refer to their nationality as simply being 'German'.

If someone were to ask me my nationality I'd likely reply, "I'm an American". However, if I was asked about my citizenship I'd reply, "I'm a citizen of the United States" or "I'm a citizen of the United States of America".

So, setting aside exceptions and generalizing, "citizenship" tends to be used more narrowly and formally while "nationality" may be more broad and informal. Or so it seems to me.

--Kevjonesin (talk) 13:49, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality is not the same as citizenship, but in this century they almost always go hand in hand. Those legal concepts are separate from the personal/psychological national identity, which is what the UK calls nationality (meaning, are you Welsh or English, etc.). To name an exception, a child born in American Samoa is an American national (right to live, work, travel) but is not an American citizen (no right to vote for or be elected to U.S. office; however, they vote for elections for offices within Samoa itself), and of course might develop a personal national identity for any country in the world.

Multiple citizenship is possible in a number of places, but a few countries (e.g., Germany, Japan) forbid it (usually with some exceptions). Italy and Sweden both accept it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:42, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just echoing the choir. Citizenship generally refers to what passport you hold. In many cases it is possible to be a citizen of more than one country. Some countries have laws that limit how you can intentionally acquire additional nationalities without having to give up your previous one, but it is very hard to limit the acquisition of nationalities by birth - so with an Italian father and Swedish mother he would have been born a citizen of both places. Possibly, had he been born Swedish and then made a voluntary act to become Italian he may have had to relinquish his Swedish passport but Sweden changed their law on that in 2001 and dual citizens by birth have always been allowed to keep both in Italian and Swedish law. Spartaz ^Humbug! 11:08, 29 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]