Talk:University of Hull
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- 1 Notable academics
- 2 University ratings
- 3 Merge with The Lawns
- 4 Hull University Union
- 5 Logo?
- 6 Almost a reversion
- 7 Clean-up only partial
- 8 Plural or Singular Verb
- 9 Suggestions from LarkinToad2010 (talk) 22:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
- 10 Philip Larkin society is a charity, not a department of the University
- 11 Notable Alumni
- 12 Rankings
- 13 File:UniOfHullLogoText.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 14 Merger Proposal
- 15 University Crest Suggestion
- 16 University Colours
I was not sure whether the list of notable academics at the University of Hull was meant to include only contemporary academics, or those who, at one time, taught there. If the latter, we should surely include: Jacob Bronowski Alister Hardy
Also, A.D. B Clarke, or the Department of Psychology, and Professor Gray, of the Chemistry department?ACEO 20:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Also on this subject, David Freestone was removed from the list of Notable academics. Does anyone know why this was (I just cleaned up some text which got left over.)? Philcluff (talk) 20:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
- Looks like I am at falut for that poor edit - I removed him as with out an artical or any reliable source there was no way to test if he is notable or that he did in fact go to Hull or he is what it said he is. This is per WP:NLIST, WP:BLP and WP:LAUNDRY. Codf1977 (talk) 20:31, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities.)
There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#University ratings. Timrollpickering 23:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Viva-Verdi 01:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC) Hull, 1959-62, History
Hull University Union
"Hull University Union (HUU) has a reputation of being the best student union in UK" - erm really? Even if this is so isn't this POV? the author claims it won the students union of the year award: i cant find anything to authenticate this claim, no citation and any way it claims that HUU won this award in 2004,what about all the other years??? I'm going to remove this shortly unless anyone has any reason not to? sto_101 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sto 101 (talk • contribs) 18:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
- The only thing I can find is the union venue Asylum winning the BEDA award for best student venue in 2004. The original was certainly POV either way. --Antinode22 14:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, the logo shown on the page for the university is not actually Hull's logo - there is certainly no mention of it on hull.ac.uk. User:Sudonymph Sun 28 Oct, 23:21
- Maybe there has been an attempt at improving the establishment's image. Thomas Ferens was not just a benefactor but was the driving force of Hull's getting a university type college. In his honour UCH's motto was "Lampada Ferens" (~carry the torch) but the HU site now seems not to mention that. Google does find the motto in association with the University. Perhaps this explains the "lost" logo.--SilasW (talk) 17:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
The university still uses the older coat of arms on degree certificates so the newer logo hasn't totally replaced it. Many other uni articles have their both their coat of arms and 'corporate logos' in the infobox at the top. I think we need to get hold of an image file but I haven't been able to find anything currently on the net. LunarLander // talk // 00:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
The logo for the University of Hull shown in this article are both incorrect. The shield is not the current logo. The rectangular symbols logo is also out of date. From October 2009, a new logo was being phased in. The updated version needs to be uploaded to replace the old one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WilberforceHope (talk • contribs) 20:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Almost a reversion
- Let me try again. "of" has reappeared after comprise (though "Student life and activities" has never had it).
"Each" is singular and takes verbs in the singular form, e.g.
Each of the other halls, which were [plural as subject is "the other halls"]...., was [singular as subject is "each"].
The standard of English (part of the article seems verb-less) matches that of the Hull lecturer I had who talked of "the refractive indice" (pronounced trisyllabically: in-di-see) idiosyncratically back-formed from "indices", the mathematical/scientific plural of "index".--SilasW (talk) 19:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
- Let me try again. "of" has reappeared after comprise (though "Student life and activities" has never had it).
Clean-up only partial
Plural or Singular Verb
Do you disagree with these constuctions?
There is a man with a dog in the street. There are a man and a dog in the street.
I think a new "is" in the article should be set back to "are"--SilasW (talk) 20:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
- "There is a man with a dog in the street. There are a man and a dog in the street." As a grammar school-boy, I can confirm that both constructions are/either is grammatically correct. But I have to ask why SilasW needs to pose this seemingly fatuous question in the first place. Is there some sort of inwardness here? Are you a former resident of Thwaite Hall?---PJHaseldine (talk) 22:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
Suggestions from LarkinToad2010 (talk) 22:20, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Suggest add some up-to-date photos of newer developments on the Hull campus to reflect investment in recent years.
Suggest deletion of 'Department closure' section as this is old news and dates the article as orphaned in feel.
Suggest moving current University logo up to top of info box as use of old shield type logo makes article feel out of date. Remove 'old' new logo as now replaced.
Suggest more contextual information on location, eg. local shops and facilities as many may think HU is a post-war 'concrete jungle' in a greefield site, not a 'traditional' campus near to shops, houses, etc.
- some new photo's of the various buildings will improve the article. I have removed the old logo as this is not required. The closure of old er buildings should not be removed as it is pertinent to the history of the university and its growth. The corporate logo is fine where it is next to the website addreess, the university coat of arms needs to be retained at the top of the infobox. The surroundings of the university are irrelevant to the article as they have no impact on the work within it. Additionally you need to stop inserting details of the Larkin society and the larkin 25 festival into the article (that also applies to the Kingston Upon Hull article. Those details need only to be placed within their respective articles, which are wikilinked. This will save a considerable amount of editing time in duplication and checking of articles. I take it the Larkin 25 festival is an event started by the Philip Larkin Society? Richard Harvey (talk) 08:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- As I understand it, Larkin 25 is a joint venture between the PLS, Hull University, City Council and VHEY (tourist body for Humber) so the Larkin 25 section title should be restored or combined here as Hull University is a significant partner in hosting this event and the PLS is a partner, not the umbrella organisation for L25. That's why I have inserted in the intro. I think the character of the area is very relevant as this is what prospective students look at and some might think HU is like York University, a bit of a 'concrete jungle' site, not integrated into a residential area. Once Larkin 25 is over, most of these links and mentions can be edited down and archived. The 'leafiness' is a significant character of the University district and Larkin's haunts so I see it as a fact that impacts on the public image of the University and its culture. To reduce all the editing, I'll leave it to others to input for a while now.LarkinToad2010 (talk) 09:29, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
- It's better to keep all the Larkin 25 stuff in one place, it only needs a link to the article to get the info from there. The official website for the event, as indicated by the Philip Larkin Society website indicates the event organisation is done by a limited company IE: "Larkin25 A company limited by guarantee", presumably one they have formed for the event, to save them any hassle in the event of legal problems or financial claims. As I said there is an awful lot of work involved inensuring the various articles it is mentioned in are identical and referenced. The more duplication the greater the chances of errors. As for the details of the university surrounding areas for student info is totally irrelevant to the article, this article is about the university itself and wikipedia is not designed to be an promotional avenue, to let student know how 'pretty' the area is or the location of the nearest pub, club and fast food outlet. That can be obtained from the University itself, in their own promotional blurb packages. The Larkin 25 article has potential to become a very good one in its own right and I have just tweeked that accordingly. Incidentally and in Good faith its worth noting that your editing style of lots of small editing 'tweeks' in quick succession are hard to follow and frowned on by many editors, try using the 'Show preview' button until you have completed all your article edits, then use the 'Save page' button to upload all your changes in one go. Richard Harvey (talk) 10:07, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
Request Larkin 25 link be left in intro. I will leave it to other users to decide on relevance of environmental issues, I maintian that the social and environmental are just as important pieces of knowledge as 'this and that' department. As plantings are an integral part of environment, I say they make the article more informative than just a log of bald facts. See University of York to see my point. After all, everyone goes on about old mulberry trees at Oxford, etc. The same could be said for 'red brick' (the ones at Hull are limited to two wings). The long footnote reference in the edit clogs it up and is a sidetrack as Unis such as Hull are not really 'red brick' and have long moved on from this dated image. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LarkinToad2010 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
OK, you can have your way and keep your outdated edits. This site isn't worth the bother, too many with too much time on their hands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[Special:Contributions/220.127.116.11|18.104.22.168 (aka:LarkinToad2010)]] (talk) 14:08, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Philip Larkin society is a charity, not a department of the University
I see the edit on Larkin 25 in which the University is playing a key role has been vandalised again. The Larkin Society is not running the festival alone and this edit is giving a false impression it's a department or part of Hull University. It's not, it's an independent charity based in Hornsea. So why give an independent charity a section in the University entry and a linked headline? The University is the organisation hosting some of the key Larkin 25 events, the Larkin Society is one of the players running it and would not have the resources to run it on its own, so the heading should go to Larkin 25 to reflect that University's role as a major player in the event. You're wrong to sideline the University's role in this event and don't have ownership of this site to keep readers misinformed in this fashion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LarkinToad2010 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
The section listing particulary notable alumni does not tally with the list of names in the main article Alumni of the University of Hull, which itself is just a list of names. Some new entries do not have Wiki articles, nor references. Would it not be better to either merge the two articles, or just have a main article link in the section, so only one list requires maintenance? Richard Harvey (talk) 08:44, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
They're bullshit. Need sorting.
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University Crest Suggestion
The image of the crest in the infobox is of poor quality and low resolution; I suggest that someone with the know-how replace it with this far better and clearer image http://www.flickr.com/photos/universityofhull/8409098498/in/set-72157632595158490/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by WombatPower (talk • contribs) 15:10, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
- That image cannot be used as it is copyright all rights reserved. Keith D (talk) 18:20, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
At present only the predominant colour used in the silk elements of academic dress is shown in the lead box. This doesn't represent the 'colours of the university' in the way they are shown for other universities on Wikipedia. These are usually an aggregate of colours used in the coat of arms, logo and official items of clothing - esp. college scarves. The Hull University coat of arms includes azure (blue), or (gold/yellow) and argent (silver/white); the present scarf is navy blue, light blue and yellow/gold.  In the dim and distant past the Hull University scarf was dark blue with four narrow yellow stripes, the University Union scarf had a slightly different range of university colours - navy blue, orange, green and off-white. I think the colours listed in the article should be extended. Urselius (talk) 14:20, 10 May 2013 (UTC)