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It's a bit absurd that this page doesn't mention that D'Onofrio is a method actor. Every part of he career and life revolves around that fact. Someone removed my mention of it. It was proper to mention it. The Robert De Niro article mentions that he's a method actor in the second sentence.
The D'Onofrio article mentions that he collapsed a few times from exhaustion. Doesn't mention, and perhaps shouldn't mention, that he collapsed because he though he was Bobby Goren for years on end. Method acting gives some bit of context. I t also explains the demise of the Law and Order show and why he currently only acts in every other episode. This stuff shouldn't be mentioned in the article, but the fact that he's a method actor should. It's something that is obvious and he openly talks about. And it gives lots of context. MBThomason (talk) 13:01, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- Did you read my edit summary? Go ahead and mention it, but it doesn't belong in the first sentence, which is a very broad summary of who the person is. For instance, we say "American" and not "Californian" or "African-American". The issue is not mentioning it--who really cares?--but that you put it in the wrong place, and I just don't care enough to find the proper place.
-->David Shankbone 15:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
- "Doesn't mention, and perhaps shouldn't mention, that he collapsed because he though he was Bobby Goren for years on end." -- is this just your opinion, or has he gone on record somewhere saying this
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tek nuckle (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 August 2011
Reason for collapse
- Rumors circulated that D'Onofrio had collapsed due to learning that George W. Bush won the election. As D'Onofrio later explained, it was his 16 hour days filming Law and Order: Criminal Intent coupled with the filming of his short film, Five Minutes, Mr. Welles as the reason for his exhaustion.
The link is dead, and it's a raw link, with no author, title, date, publisher, etc. citation information. Therefore I have removed it until someone can locate an article that affirms both the rumor and his explanation. hbdragon88 (talk) 23:57, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Here is a good link to back up my statement. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE4D91E30F936A15751C1A9629C8B63&pagewanted=all New York Times, author, title, date, publisher. Vinnie Vidi Vici Nantz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:44, 25 September 2011 (UTC).
First marriage described contradictorily
In the article's summary of personal information (upper right), Greta Scacchi is described as his first spouse.
Under the section Personal life it states (referring to D'Onofrio and Scacchi): "The couple were in a relationship from 1991 until 1993."
Meanwhile, the Wikipedia article on Scacchi says: "A marriage to American actor Vincent D'Onofrio (1989–1993) produced a daughter Leila (born March 1992)."
Someone knowledgeable about this situation needs to straighten out the inconsistency between a "relationship from 1991 until 1993" and a "marriage . . . (1983-1993)".
Role in Weinergate?
Didn't D'Onofrio play a role in Weinergate in June 2011 when he coaxed Andrew Breitbart while they were both guests on Opie & Anthony to leak the first picture of Anthony Weiner's erect penis on-air? http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/06/how_vincent_donofrio_is_to_bla.html Cowbert (talk) 12:17, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
There has been past discussion (Talk:Vincent_D'Onofrio/Archive2#Marital_Status) and it needs to be sorted out to match current and previous sources.
We have another series of edits about D'Onofrio's second marriage (or first, or second, third...), feel free to add refs to these lists:
- Never married:
- This much I know: Greta Scacchi, actor, 48, Sussex. Interview by Hephzibah Anderson The Observer, 20 July 2008 "I've never been married and I don't think I'll ever get married." and "Only recently have I realised that that cynicism might have put the dampers on my finding the right sort of situation for marriage."(obviously same source as next one ...)
- Greta Scacchi: 'I'm done with taking off my clothes on screen', No interviewer or writer credited, The Telegraph, 25 Jul 2008 "She had a four-year relationship with the American actor, Vincent D'Onofrio ... D'Onofrio changed his mind about family life and walked away." and "Though she calls Carlo her husband, they are not married. 'I learnt in my early teens that if you got married, as my parents did, then you'd have to get divorced and that was a huge rigmarole'." and "Only recently have I realised that cynicism might have put the dampers on my finding the right sort of situation for marriage."
- Married, divorced:
- Greta Scacchi: glad to be back, interview with Marianne Macdonald, The Telegraph, 28 September 2008 "1991, the year she met and married her now ex-husband, Vincent D'Onofrio"
- Criminal Intent's Vincent D'Onofrio Welcomes a Son, People magazine, 21 February 2008 "D'Onofrio also has a teenage daughter, Leila, from his previous marriage to actress Greta Scacchi." & "Leila George, with his ex-wife, GretaScacchi." (15 October 2007)
- "married Greta Scacchi (an actress), 1991 (divorced 1993)" Encyclopedia.com owned by HighBeam Research
- van der Donk
There have been conflicting statements from D'Onofrio himself, some saying he was divorced, some saying he remarried, some saying he never divorced and has been married for 16 years to her:
- Divorced, remarried:
- Separated, not divorced:
- Not divorced: "IMDB ... they still have us as not being married, there's some thing about us getting divorced or something its ridiculous, i'm married to my wife almost sixteen years now" interview for blogtalkradio.com at time-stamp 15:10 (13 Jan 2012)
Removal of edits
I have reverted a rather large series of edits by one editor.
There were several reasons:
- Citations needed x3 - reverted as IMDB used for one, the other two were from an article which was clearly marked as "GNU from Wikipedia"
- Refs - 1x was a simple link to a youtube file, 2x simple html that had been expanded with incorrect elements,
- Marriage to van der Donk - this is still under discussion on the talk page and should not have been touched until that discussion has been at least started. They also reinserted muddled information about a divorce which D'Onofrio has denied ever happened and a simple Google news archive search over the last 16 years brings nothing on any divorce with van der Donk apart from one ref, a French newspaper and one item in the Glasgow Herald - both are not supported by any other ref or mention so far.
- Removal of home area - was removed, restored as it is covered in a couple of widely-available public articles.
- 3x categories had been corrupted.
I do understand that there may be further discussion on this, so am very open to any input on these matters. I also fully intend to turn the simple refs to full refs, but am searching for a script to deal with this first. Chaosdruid (talk) 17:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
- The editor has reverted again, with the summary "Added references as discussed on talk page. Please read talk page before undoing."
- I cannot see their input on this page, though I may have missed it. Most importantly the re-additions introduced spelling mistakes, IMDB and dubious WP:RS blogs as refs. They are all listed in my previous post. Chaosdruid (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
In regards to undoing my previous edits
Chaosdruid...First of all, my previous addition to this page is directly below this one. Also, you say I keep changing edits, however, this was my first. I am simply trying to make this article accurate and dont see anything wrong with that.
I am happy to discuss this here, but I ask that you please leave my edits in place for now as what is left when you undo is inaccurate.
I have now removed anything resembling a 'dubious source' (Actually couldn't find anything that said that scans of articles weren't appropriate, but I understand if I've missed it). What is there now is from the UK telegraph and Australian Sunday times, and therefore I'm sure breaks no rules. Please add better sources if you wish but do consider the sources before undoing. I spent a LOT of time making sure my last edit was accurate (and I'm sure my tiredness contributed to a spelling error - for that I apologise) and discarded over 20 INTERVIEWS with VDO which confirmed the divorces, but which I didn't see as suitable, so I find it very unfair to have everything undone - I don't know of any wiki rules which state that only one person can control a page, but will be glad to contact wiki to find out why what I added wasn't good enough.
If it's simply a case of not being sure of the scacchi marriage, then a change to relationship should be sufficient? The second divorce has been discussed, sourced and confirmed so many times that I don't feel that VDO suddenly changing his mind and saying it never happened is enough to say that it didn't.
- Please read the following, in regard to Vincent D'Onofrio.
- These updates came from Vincent's own wife between 2006 and 2009. I can imagine she got tired of coming back and finding that yet again a fan felt they knew better than she did, so she likely got tired of correcting the information and just gave up.
- If you notice her pattern in contributions, she always corrects any reference to Vincent and Greta as being married and fixes it to show there was ONLY ever a relationship between the two of them. She ALWAYS corrects that she and Vincent only ever separated in 2003 and reconciled in 2004. She removes every reference of there being a divorce.
- She also updated that Elias, their first son was born in December of 1999 and not in 2000. She even explains to WP:OTRS,"TrishGow" that she should know, as she gave birth to him.
- She was also further able to provide proof to WP:OTRS,"TrishGow" of who she was and she was then considered a "validated family spokesperson"
- Here is a link to the 2nd archive under his talk page that explains all of this under Marital Status: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vincent_D%27Onofrio/Archive2
- "Wikipedia has confirmed with a validated spokesperson for the D'Onofrio family that the couple are, indeed, still legally married after a separation that occured in 2003. The information has been verified by WP:OTRS, Shell_Kinney and TrishGow as having come from someone authorized to speak on behalf of Mr. D'Onofrio. In doing research for the D'Onofrio article (as citations are required to support Wikipedia content), we found that comments made by Mr. D'Onofrio during his separation must have led journalists to make assumptions about the final disposition of his marriage. Using incorrect source material as support(no doubt found elsewhere on the internet), it was concluded in most published articles that a divorce had been finalized. As shown in the text approved for Wikipedia by the D'Onofrio family, that is not the case."
- Cvanderdonk (His wife) was verified and validated and the correct information was indeed up at one point on his wiki, but then again, fans again came along and thought because they read something in an article, it was the gospel truth.
- Nowadays it is practically routine for a celebrity to give an interview and immediately after that interview goes public, they have to put out statements because something they said was taken out of context, which seems to be the case here, only back in 2005, people weren't made to apologize for every little thing they said publicly or on record that some person or group didn't agree with or clarify what they meant when talking about this, that or the other thing.
- Also, as far as your comments about fans having access to Vincent's divorce details through the public records. I looked it up here http://www.health.ny.gov/vital_records/divorce.htm and the only people eligible to obtain a copy of a divorce certificate are "either spouse" or "Other persons with a New York state court order". Two things that a "fan" or "fans" would be lacking.
- Of course, I am just a fan of Vincent's as well. However, I'd just like to see his wiki show the verified and correct facts that were provided by his wife instead of what was printed in some magazine article.
All good then if she's contacted the site. (and the records ARE/WERE available, although that's not important. And we all know that he has used the word divorce in interviews... but again not important - just making sure people don't think I'm making this stuff up. I obviously had no way of knowing that she had clarified things). In that case, I will not add anything about the divorce again, and will return to to the version Van der donk would have been happy with (relationship/separated). However I do want to edit other areas of the wiki - but will wait until I'm sure that it wont simply be undone.
- The thing is, I don't doubt that someone else will come along in a few days and change it again. It's just the way it is.
- Vincent doesn't have a publicist because he's said he doesn't really care much for what's said/debated about him on the Internet. It was his wife's issue that the information wasn't accurate. If he did have a publicist, there might not be so much speculation about his current marriage.
- As for his relationship with Greta. I've never seen either one of them refer to each other as "ex-" or use the "d" word, rather it's implied in the articles by the interviewer, but never seen it quoted from either of them. The only quote I've ever found is from Greta in this article http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2008/jul/20/15 in which she says "I've never been married and I don't think I'll ever get married."
- Vdofan (talk) 00:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I have noticed that the page hasnt been updated since the refs were removed so I have gone ahead and sourced new references to add. In these, donofrio not only says that he was married/divorced from Scacchi, but also van der Donk. I don't know his reasoning for wanting to make people believe otherwise, but the sources are definitely there and at one point or another he was happy to discuss them. In fact his divorce details are available to the public on the NYstate records site as has been discovered by fans in the past.
In addition to this, Ive cleaned up some of the reference list (adding quotes/titles instead of raw links) and have changed 'lives in gramercy park in the east village' to the more accurate 'gramercy in manhattan' as the area discussed is only in the gramercy neighborhood (not gramercy park itself) and this area is not actually in the east village!! the first link was also outdated, from 2008, so Ive removed that but kept the more recent one. Hopefully this is all ok. Im not aware of any reason not to edit it. Vincentfan1972 17:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
This reference http://www.nypost.com/seven/12012006/gossip/pagesix/sightings_page was provided by Cvanderdonk (Vincent's wife) back in December of 2006 as proof of the marriage still being intact. However, the posting is no longer available to be seen on their website.
I was able to find though, that this is what had been there: "VINCENT D'Onofrio ("Law & Order: Criminal Intent") at the Marni store on Mercer Street buying Christmas gifts for his wife, Carin van der Donk . . . "
I got it from this website: http://entertainment.uk.myway.com/celebgossip/pgsix/id/12_01_2006_9.html (Not a fan site or blog)
You'll see that the date in the NY Post link "12012006" is the same in the uk.myway.com "12_01_2006". Also, "pgsix" is included in the address and the logo for the NY Post is also in the header on this new site. There's also this, © copyright 2005 The New York Post Vdofan (talk) 05:44, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
- The Wayback Machine has an entry, though somewhat shorter as NYT sells their archive access ... it will at least show that the text came from there  Chaosdruid (talk) 11:50, 23 February 2012 (UTC)