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Neerang

Can anyone here help on the Nerang River page with exactly what "Neerang" means. The references (as shown) say "little shark" etc, but would that mean the Bull shark (which I suspect inhabits the river), or just a small shark of an unspecified species? -- Kevin Ryde 01:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

classification

Okay, Yugambeh is a dialect of Bandjalang, which is a PN isolate, at the same time as being a Yuin–Kuric lang. Are there two Yugambeh's we're (I'm?) getting mixed up? — kwami (talk) 08:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've sorted it out. — kwami (talk) 06:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yugambeh is not a dialect, it is a language - a member of the Bandjalangic branch of the wider Pama–Nyungan language family; other languages in the family include Gidabal, Wahlubal, and Bandjalang proper, each with roughly 4-5 dialects each. How do I edit / cite sources so I can change this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.139.237 (talk) 03:02, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 25 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: page moved (non-admin closure). sami ^talk 10:54, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yugambeh Language → Yugambeh language – Sentence capitalisation, per WP:NCCAPS and WP:NCLANG. Normally this would be an uncontroversial technical move request. However, since this article has been previously titled "Yugambeh language", "Yugambeh dialect" and "Yugambeh (linguistics)" – and debate could potentially arise in favour of more than one of these names (see Talk:Yugambeh Language#classification) – I thought I'd err on the side of caution and list it for discussion. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 02:40, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Just to clarify, I do support its classification as a "language" rather than a "dialect", in line with other Indigenous Australian languages, and thus support the move to "Yugambeh language" with sentence capitalisation. – Liveste (talk • edits) 02:40, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:CONSISTENCY with other language articles. It is clear that this is a language, and not a dialect. CookieMonster755 ✉ 03:21, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I was not aware of the Capitalisation rules. The choice of language reflects WP:NCLANG i.e. most common usage. BlackfullaLinguist (talk) 06:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly support per WP:CONSISTENCY and WP:NCLANG. Paintspot Infez (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Orthography used does not match the orthography given

According to the section on the phonology, the orthography consists of ⟨i e a u p k ť t m g ň n l r w j⟩ (or in the common Roman alphabetical order ⟨a e g i j k l m n ň p r t ť u w⟩) as well as ⟨h⟩, which is used to indicate long vowels.

Among the example words, however, there are words such as "Dubaygali", which contains ⟨d b y⟩, none of which is explained as representing any particular phoneme, and there are also unlikely looking consonant sequences such as ⟨ngg⟩ in the word "jinanggali" and ⟨lng⟩ in "yarabilngingan", which should represent the phoneme sequences /nŋŋ/ and /lnŋ/ respectively, according to the information in the phonology section, and neither of these seem likely from the typical phonotactics of Pama-Nyungan languages.

It seems quite obvious that a different orthography exists, which is used throughout the article, and, based on common practices in the romanisations of Australian languages, as well as the anglicisation of ⟨bilinahjil⟩ (presumably /pilinaːcil/) as ⟨Billinudgel⟩, I am assuming these are the correspondences to phonemes (vowels seem to be handled the same, so I'll only give the consonants):

	Peripheral		Laminal	Apical
	Bilabial	Velar	Palatal	Alveolar
Obstruent	p ⟨b⟩	k ⟨g⟩	c ⟨j⟩	t ⟨d⟩
Nasal	m ⟨m⟩	ŋ ⟨ng⟩	ɲ ⟨ny⟩	n ⟨n⟩
Lateral				l ⟨l⟩
Rhotic				ɾ ⟨r⟩
Semivowel	w ⟨w⟩		j ⟨y⟩

Can someone confirm and, if the orthography already given here is actually in use somewhere (for example in linguistic contexts?), then the two orthographies used should be explained, named if they have names, and contrasted (i.e. who uses which one and in which contexts). 120.22.214.192 (talk) 12:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]