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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

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Billy Boys[edit]

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  • ... that Rangers football fans were warned not to sing the Billy Boys despite UEFA previously saying they were unable to do anything about it because it was a tolerated historical and social song?
  • Reviewed: Pike's Lane
  • Comment: For 3 May (Rangers' last game of the season)

5x expanded by The C of E (talk), Jmorrison230582 (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 11:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC).

  • This is a far too wordy DYK. It needs to be shorter and more attention grabbing. Perhaps focusing on the fact that Craig Brown was basically fired over singing it would be good. Right now, it needs a lot of work. Corvoe (speak to me) 01:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Brown wasn't fired for that, he left 2 years later so any hook like that would be inaccurate.
  • Alt1 ... that the "Billy Boys" was ruled as a tolerated historic song by UEFA despite it being banned in Scottish football grounds due to sectarianism? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:57, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I suppose I misinterpreted the article text, thank you for the clarification. I would restore the link to UEFA and add one to secretarianism, since neither are particularly common knowledge. Also, I'd suggest changing the end to "... Scottish football grounds due to its secretarianism", sounds better. Corvoe (speak to me) 08:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Done that. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
Hmm. "Secretarianism". Autocorrect is an interesting beast. I'm more than willing to pass it now. Good work! Corvoe (speak to me) 09:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Corvoe - You must not promote a hook you have approved to a preparation area; I note you have just reverted my revert - please self revert. Thank you. SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

  • There are a few too many issues with the article to let it be promoted as it stands. The lyrics section is completely unsourced, and ends with a "This has been changed over time though to:" line, but no information about what the change was. Either delete that last line, or add the additional lyrics (with the proper sourcing, of course) or a brief explanation of the change(s). In addition, the article is not consistent about whether the name of the song is "Billy Boys" or "The Billy Boys"; whichever it is, song names are properly in quotes, and this needs to be regularized throughout the article for the modern title—if older versions used "The Billy Boys" that's fine to show, but if the modern version is "Billy Boys", that's how the intro needs to be worded (I'm assuming it's currently "Billy Boys" because of the article title). One thing about the lyrics: stanzas typically end with a period, though not always, so that should be checked in the sources. I've added the quote for the song name to ALT1. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks, The C of E. Those look better. Taking another look at the whole article, however, I'm wondering about some of the sourcing, which doesn't strike me as reliable: FN2 (scotshistoryonline.co.uk), FN6 (rootsweb at ancestry.com, and an old listserv entry at that), and FN11 (a forum/blog entry at wsc.co.uk). If you can't find more reliable sources for this info, it should be removed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
  • This is somewhat better, but the reference formatting is a mess. You've got BBC Sport in both italics and standard type, you've got references with access dates and without, you've got references with publishers and without... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Article is new enough and long enough. ALT1 is referenced in text with citations immediately at the end of the sentence. I don't see any close paraphrasing, there are no images to check. Good to go! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
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