Template:Did you know nominations/Nils Kock

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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 02:28, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Nils Kock

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• ... that Professor Nils Kock, who developed the Kock pouch surgical procedure at the University of Gothenburg, Sweden, was actually Finnish by birth?

• ALT1:... that Professor Nils Kock, who developed the life-altering Kock pouch surgical procedure at the University of Gothenburg, Sweden, fought for the Finnish Army during World War II?
• ALT 2 ... that late in life, Professor Nils Kock, developer of the Kock pouch, focused on advancing the use of his surgical techniques into Third World countries?
• ALT 2a ... that late in life, Professor Nils Kock, developer of the Kock pouch, collaborated with Egyptian Professor Mohamed Ghoneim to further develop his techniques in Third World nations?

Created by GenQuest (talk). Self nominated at 17:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC).

• I'd support Alt1. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
• Both suggested hooks focus on his nationality, which is an extremely trivial point. Neither the fact that a Finnish man of his age served in the Finnish army in WWII, nor that somebody from the large Swedish-speaking minority in Finland worked at a university (or anywhere else) in Sweden is in any way remarkable. You should probably try to find a hook focusing on his accomplishments as a surgeon, but I don't really know enough about the subject to help you. --Hegvald (talk) 16:17, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• I added an Alt 2 per above suggestion. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 21:12, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
• I now support Alt2. Seems good. Let's just wait for someone to review this now. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
• Yes, ALT 2 is a clear improvement. --Hegvald (talk) 07:50, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that a hook has been decided on. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:31, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• This article is new enough and long enough. ALT2 is appropriately referenced and seems acceptable to all. I do not believe a QPQ needs to be done and I detected no policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:19, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• The section in the article doesn't quite follow its source. Article: "He worked closely with the surgical department of the University of Mansoura in Egypt, among others..." Source: "He collaborated with Professor Mohamed Ghoneim from the University of Mansoura in Egypt to develop techniques" Likewise, article, following immediately on from above: "... educating doctors [in third-world countries] in the use of his life-improving techniques." Source: " to develop techniques in Third World countries". These statements are not equivalent. In the source, he works with a specific person in the University of Mansoura to develop techniques suitable for third-world countries. In the article, he is directly teaching the doctors himself techniques he already developed. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 20:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• I have re-written that section of the article, and offer the additional ALT 2A (above), in order to address your concerns. I hope one or the other works. I still prefer ALT 2 myself. Please advise. Thanks. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 22:30, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• AGFing that paywalled source 1 provides the necessary additional detail, . Though I'd like to see an explicit source for "among others" in "...ranch of Cairo University), among others." I suspect that it's trivially supported. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:25, 27 March 2014 (UTC)