User talk:Jjj1238

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Eurovision 60th Show[edit]

Jjj, not sure if you have the project talk page on your watchlist or not, but there is a thread at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision#60th anniversary show with details about the anniversary show. As we don't know what the show's official title will be, there is a draft article which you may also want to put on your watchlist at User:Wesley Mouse/sandbox/60 Years of the Eurovision Song Contest of which project members are permitted to contribute towards. It is there merely as a place for us to build an article for an event that is in the public domain, but has yet to be given an event title in order for us to create such an article for that event title. Once details are known, then the draft can be moved into mainspace.   Wes Mouse | chat  01:40, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Kira Kazantsev[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:04, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Latvia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2015[edit]

Hey there! I created an article for Latvia in the Eurovision Song Contest 2015 and I was wondering if you could help me out by verifying the translations of the rules I made from a document posted on LTV's website [1]. I noticed on your user page that you have written that you are fluent in Latvian so if you have the time I would appreciate your help! My main concern is that I believe they wrote that they will select ten artists and songs to compete in this national final, but during their description of the shows, I'm not sure I understood how they will select only four entries for the final during the preceding shows. Pickette (talk) 22:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I haven't spoken/read/written Latvian (I mostly spoke Czech at home even when I lived in Latvia) in a pretty long time so I'm a bit rusty, so don't hold it against me if I misinterpreted, but here's what I got out of the rules. The first semi-final is non-elimination and just supposed to introduce the songs to the audience. In the second and third semi-finals, two songs are eliminated in each show, leaving four remaining participants for the final. In the final, there is a superfinal consisting of the top two participants and a winner is chosen out of those two. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 00:53, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your effort! I guess their own rules don't make sense then because if there are 10 songs to begin with and 2 songs are being eliminated during each of the two shows, then they would be left with 6 finalists rather than 4. Pickette (talk) 01:53, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
@Pickette: there would be 4 in the final. 2 get eliminated from the first show, 2 from the second, and 2 from the third (3 x 2 = 6), leaving 4 remaining in the final. It's a bit X-factor-esque, though. Wes Mouse | T@lk 02:39, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Bear with me, I'm re-reading it again, and it says something about 16 participants, as well as a "super final". Wes Mouse | T@lk 02:47, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Yes, they are going to pick 10 songs first and then hold auditions for artists that applied in order to match the best artist to each of the 10 songs. They are also setting aside 6 reserve songs (which is where 16 is probably coming from). The calculation you did above would make sense, however, the first semi-final is just a showcase show without an elimination. So I think maybe whoever wrote their rules made a mistake. Pickette (talk) 02:53, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
They probably had one too many vodka's when writing out the rules. Anyhow, I've had to change the ESC Bubble source that was used on the Latvian page, due to a previously discovered WP:COI and WP:SELFCITE issue, which has been noted at Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2015#Latvia and there is also a notice at the top of that talk page informing of the issue. That has been done after a discussion between myself and CT Cooper, who thought it was wise to air caution. Thankfully I've been able to replace it with a new source, which is safe. Wikipedia (well not Wiki as a whole, but WP:ESC) has become under a lot of scrutiny from the EBU at the moment, with 2 of their editor's regularly contacting me via my talk page, which is raising some concern. Both of those editor's have created Wiki accounts and attempted to edit articles, which is prohibited by conflict of interest. One also self-cited their own website publication, which violated WP:SELFCITE (I swiftly removed the content). They have both been advised that if they've published reports via (for whom they work for), that they are post sources via the article talk pages, so that we handle them and update articles accordingly - thus avoiding COI blocking sanctions. Cooper and myself are somewhat bemused as to why both these EBU employees have decided to contact me rather than other project members - but as long as I keep myself professional, and not accept any forms of monetary payment for editing then I am within the rules. Help from the EBU like this, is good, as it means we are getting 100% accurate sources, without them or us wandering into trouble. Wes Mouse | T@lk 03:09, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


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WikiProject Eurovision Newsletter - Issue 43[edit]

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Issue 43

Quality as standard: a few Eurovision articles have been nominated for FA status and one is promoted to GA.
Let Junior Eurovision battle commence!
Project membership breaks through the 100 barrier.

At the time of publication the project statistics were as follows
Number of articles Good articles A-class articles Feature articles Number of members
5590 81 20 5 1 1 4 109 29

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Moscow in the Türkvizyon Song Contest[edit]

That was a nice find, but I think Eurovoix may be getting confused. I somehow doubt it would be Moscow City, but more like Moscow Oblast. Considering other Russian Oblasts are taking part, then it makes more sense that this would be Moscow Oblast, rather than a city taking part in a "country" contest. Wes Mouse | T@lk 09:12, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Just looked deeper into this, and yes it is the Oblast Region. Somehow Eurovoix have used the flag of Moscow City, rather than the flag of Moscow Oblast. At least we know our Cities from our Oblasts when it comes to flags lol. Wes Mouse | T@lk 09:24, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Jjj, we have a reliability issue in terms of Eurovoix. They have been good up until now. Today they published the "running order" draw and cited I've checked that website and no running order has been published by them. Also Eurovoix said in that report that Northern Cyprus and Tuva had withdrawn. Both countries are still on the official Turkvizyon website as participating. And they've recently published the artist and song for Tuva too. In their report about Russia becoming Moscow (and they used the Moscow City flag), they cited a Russian website. I looked into that cite and found it stated Moscow Oblast, not Moscow City. Yet Turkvizyon website are now using the Russian flag again and have changed their data to show Russia, not Moscow. What do we do? Eurovoix have been good so far, this puts them into unreliability territory. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Honestly, I'd never question Eurovoix's reliability as they're probably my most trusted ESC website, but I don't think I'm the right person to ask. I don't follow Turkvizyon at all and just decide to help out with the article occasionally when I spot sources online and notice the article is very out-of-date. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 21:45, 17 November 2014 (UTC) is the official website for Turkvizyon - just like is official to Eurovision. I cannot see an official website not publish accurate information!? But I cannot get round my head how Eurovoix have published news citing Turkvizyon website, when the official website doesn't even hold such news. Really got me questioning their reliability status now. Wes Mouse | T@lk 21:53, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Zhanar Dugalova[edit]

I've removed the citation you used to verify the singers date of birth. It has been previously established that should not be used to verify information, purely as the content is not professional added, but user-submitted - thus verifiability cannot be determined. Also the article may fail notability guidelines which we need to be careful of. Not everything requires an article immediately, and this has been a long-term problem for Project Eurovision over the years. Members get a bit overzealous and feel everything needs an article, spend so much time working on it, only for it to fail WP:GNG and WP:NMG and it gets "mass support" at an articles for deletion debate. Might be worthwhile in future to add potential new articles to Wikipedia:WikiProject Eurovision/Article requests and then consideration can be taken into whether or not one should be made, or use your sandbox, and then ask someone at WP:AFC to look into it. Saves having an article get deleted, as it would be only a draft within userspace. Wes Mouse | T@lk 20:36, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

The only reason I created the article was because Farid Hasanov had an article created after he won last year. Also, I added the source just because that was what was used on the Norwegian wikipedia to verify her birthdate. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 20:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC) is a strange website. Both you and I could easily create a user account on there, like we have done here - and then start editing the bio profiles. That would be why is avoided as a source, especially for citing living people. Yes, Farid Hasanov has an article too, and I tagged that for notability, as I think that too could end up getting nominated for deletion. I'm checking all the policies first, because if I cannot find anything that would save it, then I'll be nominating the article for notability review. Wes Mouse | T@lk 22:21, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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