User talk:Markseasigh
Hello here is my main deal. Revealing truth to the masses about the Biblical work, and Exposing the lies which are formed around the truth, to appear to be truth. One of them is Merkaba mysticism also see Reptilian Race of Angels as related to the Bible, also know as the Serpent Seed Doctrine. Both have one thing in Common they try to place satan the devil a dragon, in the garden of Eden.
I will start with this article, and also try to post some of my other work in different articles on this page, while time allows, for I spread the truth to people that want to hear it on a regular basis, and why would I waste my breath on those who wont hear it?
http://www.christianchatforum.com/mb/forumdisplay.php/3-General-Christian-Forum
This is my main forum for spreading truth.
Nephelim[edit]
NOT THE Serpent Seed Doctrine, BIBLE doctrine. It is called angelology, or "the study of angels".
However the serpent seed doctrine follows closely with what the Bible actually says about angel. Except, that in the serpent seed doctrine they are proposing that there was a spawn from Satan the dragon angel, and Eve.
The Truth is that, there were angels that came, they were called the Ben Elohiym, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_God also known as "sons of God". They proceeded to pick out women from our kind, and cohabit and reproduce with them. Their offspring were known as the Nephelim. They were the ancestors to the Giant which appears in the Bible when King David is fighting the Philistine army. The Bible Gives a reason for everything that "is", it even tells where those twelve foot people came from, the offspring of man and the Ben e Elohim, which is being interpreted "sons of God". So unlike the Wikipedia article currently contains where it says "Bene Elohim" it should read "Ben e Elohim" literally "sons of God". Since e mean of or from in the original language.
NOW ONTO NEPHILIM from the view of the over achiever over posting fool!!!!
Angels procreating with man:
KJ Version
1. and it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2.
that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all that they chose
3. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
The term sons of god is mostly thought to be angels... though some have tried to explain away these verses as referring to the godly line of Seth from Adam. If this were true, why would the KJ version say that giants were a product of the offspring of the sons of God and man... and that this is the reason for their stature. I believe that this is particularly important for explaining the 12 foot giant Goliath which King David Father of Solomon the Wise, killed with a smooth stone.
now let me for the first time ever explain the difference in scripture as far as the difference in translation between different editions of the bible.
These are the same Four verses presented from my personal library. The prior was the KJ version of the four versicals.
The Ryrie Study Bible Expanded Edition
1. Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, 2. that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. 3. Then the LORD said, "My spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years." 4. The NEPHILIM were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
sum. well here with the Ryrie study bibe, and it is the expanded edition,, so .... they use the actual name of the race of giants. NEPHILIM instead of the KJ version which just says giants. However in the Ryrie Study Bible there is no mention of the giants Just the Term NEPHILIM. Which is explained after that.
HEBREW Study Bible aka (THE MEAT)
1. When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, 2. the DIVINE BEINGS saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them. 3. The LORD said, "My breath shall not abide in man forever, since he too is flesh; let the days allowed him be one hundred and twenty years." 4. It was then, and later too, that the NEPHILIM appeared on earth-when the DIVINE BEINGS cohabited with the daughters of men, who bore them offspring. They were heroes of old the men of renown.
Now what can be said about the MEAT well it has the Word NEPHILIM in the stead of giants. It also uses DIVINE BEINGS in the stead of sons of God like in the KJ and Ryrie versions.
What is a NEPHILIM
The bible says very clearly in The Ryrie Study bible verse four that the NephIlim were the offspring of the sons of god. I think this is very important cause on my journey to becoming the very strong believer i am today, this passage explained where the giant goliath, the NEPHILIM, the Raphaim, and the giants with the grapes in canaan originated. I always felt the bible would one day show me where these creatures were coming from ex. Goliath. It has answered every question I have been able Think of. So how often ARE Giants actually in the bible. well....... this is what i have found. so far. Using KJ and Hebrew Study Bible
Numbers 13:21-24 ( Giant Grapes from a Giants Garden )
Numbers 13:31-33 ( The Giants are said to Eat People )
Numbers, 13:32-33 (says the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim)
Deuteronomy 2:10-12 ; 2:20-23 ( The LORD and the Israel are hunting down the giants and killing them )
Deuteronomy 3:11 ( A Giant Kings bed size is given )
I Chronicles 20:5-8 ( the brother of Goliath )
I Samuel 17:4-7, 23 ( the size and weight of Goliath's armor )
II Samuel 21:15-22 ( a large man with 24 digits )
Joshua 11:21-22 ; 14:12-15 ( Anakites are the descendants of the Nephilim )
The REPTILIAN THEORY is a FALSE doctrine! not Biblically based. I am here to lay to rest all false doctrines that mimic the truth. These people that speak of UFO's are beginning to realize that the old name for Alien, was Angel. I know its a weird concept, but bear with me. The Reptilian Doctrine, or Serpent Seed doctrince suggests eve having children with the snake in the garden, but in the Bible itself it says that there were angels that fell and reproduced with the women of man. This was in the years of Noah however who was supposed to be alive much later than Eve. He is the last Patriarch listed in the Geneology of Genesis. So it wasn't the snake that reproduced with man, it was instead the "ben e Elohim". Being interpreted the "sons of God". Therefore the angels are not half reptilian, but they are described as Cherubim, Seraphim, and Dragons. oh yeah and Ben e Elohim. other than that there are no other races of angels mentioned, but it does say that there are many many angels in the heavens. In High Places.
the most commonly used Verse to prove that Satan is the snake, and place him in the garden. which is false... allow me to explain...
Ezekiel 28:13-14 13. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepaired in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Many have thought this to be speaking of LUCIFER. however it is not. There is no mention of the name Lucifer in the Bible. A few versions of the Bible were printed that said the King of Tyre and of old Babylon were named Lucifer. This is not so, come to find out the RCC added in the Name lucifer to the Bible in the description of the king of tyre and babylon gaining power and then falling from power. This is not SATAN A LARGE RED DRAGON/ SERPENT ANGEL. A VERY OLD SERPENT ANGEL. Revelation 12:7
YES the serpent was in the garden. SO the previous verses may have indicated that this is indeed satan. on the other hand the Bible goes out of Its way in Genesis to say that God PUT A CHERUBIM IN THE GARDEN!! Genesis 3:24
If it's not so much to do with the FRUIT GETTING EAT THAN WHATS THIS SAY? or am I taking the Bible out of Context?
Genesis 3:22-24
22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever; 23. Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he ws taken. 24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Most people think the fruit was an apple, but in fact the Bible states very clearly that the tree was not given to man when he left the garden. Also, the Bible never says it is an apple. It calls it The Tree of Wisdom, or The Tree of Life. WHICH OPENED OUR EYES AND MADE US GOD LIKE
The REPTILIAN DOCTRINE or SATAN SEED have been more scripturally based if The sons of god that fell from heaven in Genesis 6:1-4 were a reptilian race of aliens...
AND IF THE BIBLE SAID EVE PROCREATED WITH SATAN OR SATANS ANGELS, BUT IT DOES NOT SAY THIS IN THE BIBLE.
However, they were not a reptilian race of aliens, because in Genesis 6:4 it says we reproduced with the angels that came here. How could a Reptilian being Procreate with man? The Bible didn't say Goliath was part dragon did it? NO!
For an creature of god to procreate with another they must be about the same thing.
(ex. Horse + Donkey = Mule) not a version of either parent but an mutated through reproduction offspring.
Ex. of mutated offspring, as a direct result of the Genesis 6 incident
But this is exactly what Genesis 3:22
22. And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever;
and
Genesis 1:26-27 KJ
26. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them..
then the angels procreated with us, to make the ancestors of the Giant Goliath. Genesis 6:4 The mutation through reproduction was the Nephelim. They were the ancestors of the ANAKITES who were another giant race. Joshua 11:21-22 ; Joshua 14:12-15
The the angels who reproduced with man were not SERPENT angels. They were sons of god. Genesis 6:1 The giants were not said to have reptilian features. Thus the REPTILIAN AND SATAN SEED DOCTRINE ARE FALSE, at least scripturally.
However angels did Procreate with women in the generations before the flood, this may be the main reason God flooded the earth. Other than the fact that everyone's mind was wickedness continually. Genesis 6:5 Cause the sons of god "devine beings" (in the hebrew study bible) came and mixed the flesh of the devine beings with the flesh of man. Genesis 6:3 kj
Genesis 6:3
3. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
The New Testament says that Angels are not given in Marriage. I believe this is referring to the actual ceremony, and this is saying that After we are resurrected we will be as the angels of heaven. There will no longer be ceremonies the same as here on earth. Many have used these verses to say that ANGELS don’t procreate. And that angels are sexless beings.
WHAT I ASK in God’s creation does not reproduce that is alive? NOTHING!
Mark 12:24-26 24. Jesus said to them, “Is this not the reason you are mistaken, that you do not understand the Scriptures or the power of God? 25. “For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 26. “But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, I AM THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, AND THE GOD OF ISAAC, and the God of Jacob’? It even says given in marriage, as in the act of giving a woman away to a man. THIS IS AN EARTHLY CEREMONY. THERE ARE WOMEN ANGELS in the Bible No Bible I have ever read agrees with my assumption of this passage, but they also don’t agree that angels can procreate. BUT THEY DO. AND THERE ARE WOMEN ANGELS, AS WELL AS MEN. Zechariah 5:9-11 9. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. ( Earth's Atmosphere ) 10. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? (Where are the Women with Wings Taking the Ephah?) 11. And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shi'nar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base. IF THEY ARE WOMEN BEINGS WITH WINGS… WHAT ELSE COULD THEY BE THAN WOMEN ANGELS???
Satan Wasn't in the Garden of Eden (it was just a snake)[edit]
FIRST LOOK UP AND READ GENESIS CH 3, BEFORE READING THIS!!!
Now that you have not done this yet, realize that you are incapable of receiving and following instruction; HOW does it feel?
REVELATION 12:7 When in Genesis 3:22 ; Genesis 3:23 ; Genesis 3:24 does it refer to the cherubims fiery sword as anything other than a means to protect the way to the Physical Tree. THE TREE OF LIFE?
Where in the bible does it infer that the cerub in the garden of eden was weilding the word of GOD? please bible verses that prove your points. cause this says that there was a cherub in the garden of eden that was a creature... and not satan!!! Ezekiel 28:13 ; Ezekiel 28:14 cause the snake in the bible is just a snake. It goes out of its way to say it is just another beast of the Field Genesis 3:1 Genesis reveals that The cherub was set in the garden after man had left, the angel wasn't even there to tempt EVE. Genesis 3:24
So where in the Bible does it say Lucifer was the most beautiful angel? IT DOEN"T THIS IS A LIE CREATED BY SOMEONE? Wonder who that could be? And why they may want to make such a easily disproved lie at that. Satan is not the most beautiful strong or anything important other than that he will Mislead the world. This is what we see Satan the RED DRAGON ANGEL. WITH SEVEN HEADS. NOT PRETTY or BEAUTIFUL. Revelation 12:7 It doesn't even Take GOD to throw Satan out of hell Revelation 20:1-2 Satan is bound for a thousand years in HELL, he is then after allowed out for a short time after that it says. So where are these lies coming from and why are people still teaching them after the word of God has been revealed to man?
believing that Satan had already fallen has allowed this man to believe that were all the spirit of satan. Just like the screwed up people who have the serpent cults that hold snakes when they pray, because the RCC made everyone believe the snake was Satan when he was Just a little snake. The Serpent Seed doctrine is another false doctrine that has arose!!! THIS IS FALSE We are the son of man. Descendants of Adam Cain Seth whatnot. Well actually when you think of it were the descendants of Noah's family... who were descendants of Adam. Anyway, to clear this up. We are not the spirits that fell before the flood. These angels are talked of as watchers in the book of enoch They were set up to watch us by God, but not touch us. The Divine beings came to earth, they had children with our women. The product of this transgression was Giants. Which is the reason for the Giants REFER TO MY FIRST POSTS VERSE REFERENCES.
Satan has yet to be cast out of heaven. He is still able to go between heaven and earth. He isn't even cast out of heaven by God. The arch angel Michael casts the Devil down to the earth. The devil gets busy destroying man. SO.... where did we all get confused with this "Satan Being thrown out of heaven by God with one third of all the angels in heaven, and that lucifer is the most beautiful creature God created, happening before the end of the world (Great Judgement)..." Three letters.... RCC. The RCC was PLACED in power three hundred years after the resurrection of the Christ.
Revelation 12:7-9 (arch angel michael)
Man has the capability for evil, but is not the devil. There is no need for a Satan because man has the capability to destroy himself. That doesn't mean there isn't a Satan. If Satan was on earth we would all be scarred out of our minds. Especially since as soon as he gets here Satan starts summoning all these beasts out of the earth. one out of the sea one of the air.
Revelation 13:1 (beast from the sea)
Revelation 13:11-12 (beast from the earth)
Cause there is no Biblical references for the descendants of the angel and woman of man procreation having REPTILE FEATURES!!! This only feeds into the other false doctrine that is the SERPENT SEED DOCTRINE. Would you not agree that it is important to point out false prophets and teachers?
John 1:50-51
50. Jesus answered and said to him, "Because I said to you that I saw you under the fig tree, do you believe? You will see greater things than these." 51. And He said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you will see the heavens opened and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man."
The Giants were around 12 feet tall at least at the time of Goliath. No mention however of reptile features. There are versions of the Bible that say he is like three hundred feet high in the same verses. So there are some variations of scripture between the Different editions in structure at least in a few of these verses listed BELOW.
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I am sourcing the Hebrew and Christian Bible Books which contain information on Angels Cherubim and THE WHEELS OF EZEKIEL. The article that exists is full of assumption, and there are no bible verses referenced for the invalid points which are currently being made under the Christian Bible section for the articles which I have Changed
Cherubim,
an instance IN Ezekiel ch 10; which includes information on Cherubim the creatures. Informs that they have hands like a man. And this Section of Ezekiel confirms that the creatures with the wheels are indeed Cherubim!
Ezekiel 10:1-22 KJV
10 Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the Cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne. 2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill * thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight. 3 Now the cherubims stood on the right side of the house, when the man went in; and the cloud filled the inner court. 4 Then the glory of the LORD * went up from the cherub, and stood over lthe threshold of the house; and the house was filled with the cloud, and the court was full of the brightness of the LORD’s glory. 5 And nnthe sound of the cherubims’ wings was heard even to the outer court, as the voice of the Almighty God when he speaketh. 6 And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels. 7 And one cherub * stretched forth his hand from between the cherubims unto the fire that was between the cherubims, and took thereof, and put it into the hands of him that was clothed with linen: who took it, and went out.
8 And there appeared in the cherubims the form of a man’s hand under their wings. 9 And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub, and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. 10 And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. 11 When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went. 12 And their whole * body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about, even the wheels that they four had. 13 As for the wheels, * it was cried unto them in my hearing, O wheel. 14 And every one had four faces: the first face was the face of a cherub, and the second face was the face of a man, and the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle. 15 And the cherubims were lifted up. This is the living creature that I saw by the river of Chebar. 16 And when the cherubims went, the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them. 17 When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, these lifted up themselves also: for the spirit * of the living creature was in them.
18 Then the glory of the LORD I departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims. 19 And the cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth kin my sight: when they went out, jthe wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the LORD’s house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above. 20 This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Chebar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. 21 Every one had four faces apiece, and every one four wings; and the likeness of the hands of a man was under their wings. 22 And the likeness of their faces was the same faces which I saw by the river of Chebar, their appearances and themselves: they went every one straight forward.
MY QUESTION IS…
WHAT ARE THE WHEELS SUPPOSED TO BE? Some type of vehicle? If not why do the angels have wheels? Why do the angels rise up and down from the earth here in machines? The book of Ezekiel eventually reveals that the creatures are called Cherubim. Are the Cherubim physical beings like us and the Seraphim more spirit creatures? This is the only good flesh description of Cherubim (a type of angel, not the only one) in the Bible. There are other descriptions of these creatures by the Bible describing the cherubim on the top of the ark of the covenant, and also the two cherubim in the temple built by Solomon the Wise.
The Hebrew Study Bible (Which is much like the KJ or NKJ but there are some subtle differences in the editions). I’ve always found this particular portion of Ezekiel very interesting. It’s not like the author was trying to conceal this knowledge, he placed it in the very first chapter of his book. Ezekiel basically figured if you were only gonna read a little of my book, well you would at least read the first chapter… right?
From the Heb. Study Bible Edition Ezekiel 1:4-6, 15-21
4. I looked, and lo, a stormy wind came sweeping out of the north-a huge cloud and flashing fire, surrounded by a radiance; and in the center of it, in the center of the fire, a gleam as of amber. 5. In the center of it were also the figures of four creatures. An this was their appearance. They had the figures of human beings. 6. However, each had four faces, and each of them had four wings; the legs of each were fused into a single rigid leg, and the feet of each were like a single calf's hoof; and their sparkle was like the luster of burnished bronze.
15. As I gazed at the creatures, I saw one wheel on the ground next to each of the four-faced creatures. 16. As for the appearance and structure of the wheels, they gleamed like beryl (amber colored stone). All four had the same form; the appearance and structure of each was as of two wheels cutting through each other. 17. And when they moved, each could move in the direction of any of its four quarters; they did not veer when they moved. 18. Their rims were tall and frightening, for the rims of all four were covered all over with eyes. 19. And when the creatures moved forward, the wheels moved at their sides; and when the creatures were borne above the earth, the wheels were borne too. 20. Wherever the spirit impelled them to go, they went-wherever the spirit impelled them-and the wheels were borne along side them; for the spirit of the creatures was in the WHEELS. 21. When those moved, these moved; and when those stood still, these stood still; and when those were borne above the earth, the wheels were borne alongside them-for the spirit of the creatures was in the WHEELS
The rims from verse 18 may have been where the idea of halos on angels come from. IF not, Does anyone have any idea where in the Bible it says angels have gold rings over their head.
Later on in the book the angels call Ezekiel son of man. They are sons of God. They later on in the book explain to Ezekiel that they are what are called Cherubim a race of gods angels.
There is a Cherubim in Genesis, Which for me shows that the author of Genesis Was aware of the Different types of angels Genesis 3:24 which ties Ezekiel to Genesis for me. This same Cherubim is mentioned in Ezekiel 28:13-14
Maybe I can Explain it to you guys like this... ahem...
Though most commonly believed this passage refers to satan and the snake in the Garden of Eden, which is false... allow me to explain...
Ezekiel 28:13-14 13. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepaired in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Many have thought this to be speaking of LUCIFER. however it is not. There is no mention of the name Lucifer in the Bible. A few versions of the Bible were printed that said the King of Tyre and of old Babylon were named Lucifer. This is not so, come to find out the RCC added in the Name lucifer to the Bible in the description of the king of tyre and babylon gaining power and then falling from power. This is not SATAN A LARGE RED DRAGON ANGEL. YES the serpent was in the garden. SO the previous verses may have indicated that this is indeed satan. on the other hand the Bible goes out of Its way in Genesis to say that God PUT A CHERUBIM IN THE GARDEN of Eden!! Genesis 3:24
Genesis 3:24 KJ version
24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
SUMMARY:
So yes Ezekiel is reconfirming that there was a cherubim here at the beginning of mans existence; and that he was wielding a fiery ever turning sword, NOT THAT THE SNAKE IS SATAN. Also, nowhere in Genesis ch 3 where it mentions the serpent, never says a single word about satan, In fact (Genesis 3:1) goes out of its way to show that the serpent was just another beast of the field.
Sources[edit]
You can't say "According to the Holy Bible, there are several different types of angels; Cherubim, Seraphim, sons of God, Nephelim, Arch Angelwhat is made apparent by these verses is that there is no Raphael in the Scriptures of the Christian Bible or Jewish Bible. They are not mentioned, Great Angels, and Serpent (dragon) Angels which is the Leviathon and Satan. " as you can't use the primary source here as it is you that are looking at the Bible and deciding what types of angels there are. You need a source meeting our criteria at WP:RS and might even have to name the author, so "Smith says that there are several different ... in the Bible..." Dougweller (talk) 19:23, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I can cite the book and the author. or the pen name of the author at least... Ezekiel, cause that is where I've quoted most of my sources from, the singular book of the collection of books titled "HOLY BIBLE". all caps you know... not yelling just speaking in a loud voice eh?
anyway I've cited an interned cite for each of the types of angels in the Bible. The Bible was penned by many authors. Especially the books of the New testament, I mean, Jonh and I,II,III John and Revelation were all written sixty years after Christ ascended into the heaven. ; )
HERE I CITED EACH NAME OF THE ANGELS FROM THE INTERNET SOURCE OF THE BIBLE. Bible the only book which is in every word completely sourced on the INTERNET. so pleas see where each type of angel is in the Biblical work known as the King James Holy Bible, so that you can learn more and have a better understanding of the nature of angels.
- Guess I don't understand why not considering I am citing the Biblical Work the HOLY BIBLE, I mean at least that's what the cover of mine says the TITLE of the Book is. Just saying. Interesting how the other article does not site the Christian Bible very often. and mine does.
- Seems like my article is more fitting for this section.
- As I said, you need to read WP:NOR. This is clearly your research into the Bible, eg " Which for me shows that the author of Genesis Was aware of the Different types of angels". You've now been reverted by 3 editors at least. Go to WP:NORN if you are going to insist that you don't need any other sources but read WP:PRIMARY first. "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources." " Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself; instead, refer to reliable secondary sources that do so." Those two sentences are policy and you really need to follow them. Dougweller (talk) 11:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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As I said on my talk page, I prefer to discuss things on Wikipedia. You've been reverted at Living Creatures (Biblical) by another editor, whose edit summmary referred correctly to your edits as original research - see WP:NOR. This sort of thing is a mistake often made by new editors who haven't had the chance to learn our policies and guidelines. We do have a board where you can argue that this isn't original research, see WP:NORN but I think you will find the same response here. I know this can be discouraging when you've worked hard to edit, but it has happened to most of us in the past, including me. Dougweller (talk) 10:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
FROM MARKSEASIGH -
If you think this is oringinal research your crazy. ITs in the book.
http://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV?v=B8SzMIBlVdw&feature=pyv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aUliRExWC8
http://www.youtube.com/user/CAnswersTV?v=B8SzMIBlVdw&feature=pyv
Your edit at Angel - this behavior will lead to a block[edit]
This edit[1] is entirely unacceptable. You removed properly sourced text and replaced it with your own material. If you continue in this way you will be blocked from editing, either by me or by another Administrator. Dougweller (talk) 11:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
How so? I merely removed a body of false information, and replaced it with cited truth, from a book which is cited online by many sources. He was not sourcing the Book that the section was supposed to be about... he was citing Merkabah mysticism. A rejected form of thought process toward this chapter of the Book of Ezekiel, Even rejected by the Jewish faith. If anything the Merkabah mysticism should be placed in the Jewish faith section of the Essay.
Cherubim, Seraphim, sons of God, Nephelim, Arch Angelwhat is made apparent by these verses is that there is no Raphael in the Scriptures of the Christian Bible or Jewish Bible. They are not mentioned, Great Angels, and Serpent (dragon) Angels which is the Leviathon and Satan.
The Wheels of Ezekiel[edit]
First in the Book of Ezekiel, in ch 1 of the Jewish and Christian Bible book Ezekiel, Ezekiel says that he witnessed four living creatures by the river of Chebar. Then later on in the book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel reveals that they are actually a race of angels called Cherubim. (Ezekiel 10:20) and I quote from the KJV; 20. This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river of Che’bar; and I knew that they were the cherubims. Even later on In Ezekiel, Ezekiel reveals more information about the Cherub who was set in the Garden to Guard it. (Genesis 2:24) and I quote KJV; “24. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.” Then In Ezekiel ch 28 he gives more information of the living creature which guarded the Garden of God. And I quote (Ezekiel 28:13) “thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepaired in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.” Later on in the book of Ezekiel in both Jewish and Christian Bibles, Ezekiel reveals that the wheels are a mechanism, and that the workings of the mechanism is like a wheel and as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel that they are the color of amber. (Ezekiel 10:9-12) and I quote from the Christian Bible; “And when I looked, behold the four wheels by the cherubims, one wheel by one cherub and another wheel by another cherub: and the appearance of the wheels was as the colour of a beryl stone. And as for their appearances, they four had one likeness, as if a wheel had been in the midst of a wheel. When they went, they went upon their four sides; they turned not as they went, but to the place whither the head looked they followed it; they turned not as they went. And their whole body, and their backs, and their hands, and their wings, and the wheels, were full of eyes round about even the wheels that they four had. (Ezekiel 10:16-17) Says and I quote; “And when the cherubims went , the wheels went by them: and when the cherubims lifted up their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.” When they stood, these stood; and when they were lifted up, their wings to mount up from the earth, the same wheels also turned not from beside them.
Your last email[edit]
Are you trying to get blocked? Do that again to anyone and you will be blocked. Dougweller (talk) 13:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I'll check it out for you.
— RosscoolguyCVU | 21:01, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you I swear you will find it sound, for I possess the fear of the LORD God. Also when I removed his supposed cited stuff, which contained information from the Merkaba mysticism as a source for material he is putting under the Christian bible section of the articles which are relating to angels. The Merkaba was a faith of some of the Jewish clergy, but this was thrown out as false teaching by the Main sect of Jewish scribes, Because it does not line up with the Bible. This faith tries to make the wheels out to be not machines, but the Bible when it mentions the Wheels of Ezekiel say that it is a wheel cutting through a wheel. there is an 1500's art work which he has displayed in the merkaba mysticism article, which represents these wheels which are contained in the Christian and Jewish Bibles, and are said to be the means of travel for the Cherubim in the Bible Book Ezekiel... (Ezekiel ch 1, and ch 10) all about the wheels and Gods Throne.
- Ok first of all i'm irreligious, so I won't pretend to know anthing about the bible. What I do know about is wikipedia policy. All claims on an article must include references to an outside source (a source not affiliated with the subject.) I didn't write the rules ;) I would suggest doing a simple google search and find several reputable sources to cite. I do not want to scare you away from editing Wikipedia but like all editors you have to verify your claims with an outside source. Even with articles about religious documents. Thanks! — RosscoolguyCVU | 22:06, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm Glad your so truthful sir, So, being that you are indeed irreligious and a man of science and reason. Using your best reasoning, can you answer me this? Would it not be an interesting, and even more, important fact to know that there are wheels in the Bible that the Cherubim (angels) use to travel to and from the heavens? I mean, even if your irreligious than you know your dick wont fall off if you read this little tidbit of info... just saying. I was once a non-believer also sir. PLEASE READ. if you don't mind and have the time.... THIS
IT really opened my eyes to what angels are, and the nature of their relationship with man. Please respond if you are a live person....
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Cherub, you may be blocked from editing. Theroadislong (talk) 22:16, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
This is your last warning. You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to Cherub. Eyesnore 22:32, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Fine ban me, JUST FOR CHRIST"S SAKE KEEP THE TRUTH!!!! I am not interested in posting on forums which are not interested in learning the truth, I have cited my knowledge. YOU BAN TRUTH.
Wikipedia is full of false information.... If you cant even look up my cites and realize that I am posting information on the subject from the books that the sections are pertaining too... SO YEAH...
Merkabah is balogna just spelled different.
The wheels are really in the Bible though however... in Ezekiel
And yes Cherubim do appear with wheels in ezekiel and when they ascend into heaven the wheels are along side them. KJV
I have tried my best to be kind and to respect your beliefs, so please do the same for me. Also don't say the lords name in vain ;) —
lol your funny, just so you know when you say that you would like something done for the sake of Jesus. Its not taking the name in vain, because you are speaking on His behalf...
your funny though...
RosscoolguyCVU | 13:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi Markseasigh, and thank you for leaving feedback. Whilst it's true that Wikipedia has a considerable number of policies and guidelines, they can basically be boiled down to the so-called Five Pillars: * Wikipedia is an encyclopedia - not something else. * Wikipedia is neutral. * Wikipedia is free - so its content must be free too. * Wikipedia is a community - so be nice! * Wikipedia doesn't have firm rules. If you read the five pillars, you'll have enough information to get by - everything else stems from these.
See WP:42 for the simple rules.......
Ariconte (talk) 04:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Please stop making test edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Wycliffe's Bible. It is considered vandalism, which, under Wikipedia policy, can lead to a loss of editing privileges. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. — RosscoolguyCVU | 13:40, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Well you see the thing is, is that is truth also, and I cited an internet cite, so you are out of line sir... just saying not that you care about truth or understanding or wisdom, or silly things of that nature...
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Rjd0060 (talk) 14:23, 20 January 2013 (UTC)