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Moroni shenanigans

Hi! I'm MagicatthemovieS. I wasn't trying to start an edit war. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and I did not know the meaning of the term "wikilinks". Thanks for the heads-up.

July 2014 ==== theory Creationism and Evolution[edit]

If the theory of Evolution is in the article to have neutral point of view the theory Creationism should be in the article too as the theory Evolution is not a fact either. I'm sorry about the copyrighted material I will see if I can get permission. Also did you remove my sourced for Mokele-mbembe?

Thanks just trying to make wikipedia a better place— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwahl90 (talkcontribs)

(talk page stalker) Explained what a scientific theory is and Wikipedia's position on evolution on OP's talk page. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:55, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Mentioned you at ANI in regards to Hwahl90's continued copyright violations and soapboxing. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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Afd close[edit]

Hi. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brandi Hawbaker (4th nomination) appears as status "UNDETERMINED" at the AfD stats tool. I'm guessing that it's looking for a result of "delete" instead of "Close"? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 03:22, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, AlanM1. What was I thinking? Fixed it yesterday but forgot to tell you. Dougweller (talk) 15:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I saw it – thanks. Is there a reason we don't have templates for closing and voting? I just got picked on in my RfA for using a vote word that the report didn't understand. I had to mention that others do this routinely (including this case as an example, though not specifically) because Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to contribute doesn't actually list the acceptable words :-| —[AlanM1(talk)]— 16:33, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
AlanM1, I'm not sure what you mean by a template. We do use a template - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions. I made a mistake, I was thinking about CLOSEing in and typed close instead of delete. Don't worry if you don't make it this time, just continue to work and take the advice of others into account. Dougweller (talk) 17:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Full armor of god broadcast[edit]

I know I am probably gonna get spanked for this, but unfortunately due to the Tim Lambesis trying to hire a hitman to murder his wife case, The Full Armor of God Broadcast quote has gotten some notariaty. I thought that might help at least establish it as a known program? I hope I did not do anything too wrong. I thought I would bring it to you, please help if you can. TY Armorbearer777 (talk) 05:57, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Well that was quick.. Actually this was not simply a re-post, it had entirely new sources. But, no contestation from me. Thank you for your time, I will keep working on it and hopefully this program that is relevant genre will one day be notable enough. TY Armorbearer777 (talk) 19:55, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Armorbearer777, I sincerely want to thank you for your being upfront about this. I hope you realise that I didn't delete this myself, although I did ask another Admin their opinion, I decided that although I thought it wasn't different enough I simply tagged it to let someone else decide. Dougweller (talk) 20:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Not a problem. Thank you. Hopefully sometime the program will get more press to source. Armorbearer777 (talk) 15:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Re:You might want to take a look at this[edit]

Thanks a lot for the link! actually at the beginning I was not 100% sure that his edit was not OK, but after taking a look at Republic of Macedonia and seeing that he replicated it at several places with misleading edit summaries, I reverted him. Actually, as Italian - Swiss I am totally uninvolved in the Macedonia matter (as for Armenia, Azerbaijan, and so on) but I try to bring some order in the mess that pours each day into these articles, although it is really a mine field, and doing some mistake sooner or later is unavoidable... Keep the good job, Alex2006 (talk) 15:21, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Hotel Hell[edit]

I understand your comment and reasoning, but I am wondering why the hidden note is there. All of the Hotel Hell Season 1 summaries from 2012 are original (I wrote a couple of them), and all of the current season "Hell's Kitchen" summaries are original. Why is Hotel Hell Season 2 being treated specially? Thanks.


Hi There I edited the Wiki Page with Title: QADIANI, I did this while consulting thousands of south Asian Muslims ( I'm a community activist)-but you changed it back. The word is used by ALL south Asians Muslims NOT as a slur but just like the word PUNJABI ( a person from the Punjab). So accurately and factually you are wrong irrespective of what the Ahmadi community say-who also are 100% are less than 400,000 worldwide. You see in their literature they claim to be 200 million- as more Muslims are now complaining about this blatant fraud they have come to the figure of a couple million in Wikipedia-NOT TRUE ALSO-they do not have ANY evidence. Please see Youtube. I am now producing a 100,000 petition to complain about your editing to my local MP- as it is misleading and maligning the 400 million South Asian Muslims.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Thank you, Doug, for your ongoing efforts to control POV-pushing. --NeilN talk to me 18:43, 22 July 2014 (UTC)


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A typo to fix[edit]

Hi Doug,

I suspect you used my username by mistake, rather than Boss Reality's, here:

He has then quoted you, preserving that error:

Would you please fix both instances? Thanks. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:19, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Minor edit of "Abraham"[edit]

The purpose of the edit, which you quickly reverted, was merely to explain who the quoted Paula McNutt is, because, on the basis of two short quotes, the paragraph goes on to dismiss the entire contents of Genesis as a work of fiction. Readers of the article need to be aware of her illustrious pedigree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Ivorjosephson (talkcontribs)

That simply confirms my guess that you were trying to discredit here by making it look as though she was just an administrator and ignoring her academic achievements. Dougweller (talk) 14:55, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Acts 29 Network[edit]

Having a WP:WAR issue with unknown IP on what I belive is a valid ref. Are you and admin? I believe a block on this IP is justifiable. Any thoughts or ideas who would be best to contact?? Armorbearer777 (talk) 15:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Dougweller, you locked Acts 29 Network with the contentious edit left in rather than out. In this case I believe that the IP user has it right and User:Armorbearer777's edit cannot be justified by the source reference. -Sigeng (talk) 23:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Sigeng, I beg to differ on my edit (as you could have probably guessed). Though my contribution is very comparmentalized, it truly encapulates the essence of the authors point. The source clearly draws a correlation between Mars Hill Church and Acts 29 Network. Perhaps from a legal stand point the leadership and headquarters can be transfered in such a way as to maintain legal seperation from Mars Hill Church, but it is pretty obvious that the implication from the source is that the Acts 29 Network remains an extension of Mars Hill Church, therefore it continues to be a conduit of the churches "Freaky Ways" similar to a "Cult", thus the Acts 29 Network shares in the authors question through association; "Cult or Church"? This implication may just be based on conjecture, however it still is a notable source that demonstrates valid "reaction" as per the heading. The accuracy of the author's position is almost a mute point. Agree or not, it is a ligitimate "reaction" from a notable source, is it not? Armorbearer777 (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Dougweller, I think you made the right call. I did the best that I could in this matter, however I clearly see the many opportunities for improvement with how I could have. I welcome your help as a mentor. Just sayin... - Armorbearer777 (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Sigeng, didn't you know we always protect the WP:Wrong Version? :-) Seriously, I protected what I saw - there was clear edit-warring, my choices were to block both editors or protect. That's standard procedure unless there is an obvious WP:BLP issue or of course vandalism. Then I expect editors to come to a decision on the talk page. I haven't read the article and know nothing about either the church or the network. Dougweller (talk) 07:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


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Fatwa against Deobandi Scholars[edit]

You deleted my page Fatwa against Deobandi Scholars on the Copyright issue. The text I copied is free to use as you can see that the same text can be seen from millions of website.All these website authors copied it. click here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saudahmed97 (talkcontribs) 19:02, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I can find no evidence it is not copyright and until you can prove this you can't use it. Dougweller (talk) 15:33, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Help request[edit]

I am new to Wikipedia, so I would appreciate any feedback, instructions or help. I recently created a page with my name, "Robert Clifton Robinson," which was fully verified with links to my published books. I believed that this was sufficient to verify my new page, according to Wikipedia's policy, but apparently I made a mistake. I do not know who to talk to or how to properly correct this issue. The page has been deleted and there were no instructions on how to correct the problem. I apologize for the removal of the speedy edit, on that page it said something to the effect that I could remove this tag if I corrected the problem, I must have misunderstood, I am sorry.

Would someone please help me so I can get this important page back up. I would be very grateful.

Robert Clifton Robinson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biblesavant (talkcontribs) 15:26, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


I am not that interested in the topic. I was just cruising for vandalism with Huggle that night. BollyJeff | talk 17:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[edit]

I thought that the IP whom I templated for the personal attack was a sock. I didn't know that Mikemikev was in Seoul. In that case, he is probably an Asian racist rather a European racist. (In Washington, DC, Asian racists are even worse than European racists. In an African-American majority city, European racists know that being a racist is considered shameful.) If the IP is a sock and engaged in anti-Semitic attacks, will he be blocked? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Robert McClenon I block anyone using edit summaries such as those as WP:NOT HERE. The Seoul IPs of Mikemikev concentrate on a small number of articles, often attacking Maunus, and are obvious, so I block them on sight. If you ever see any ping me or notify ANI or AIV. I blocked the IP (2 actually), but left the edit summaries visible as so people have a better idea as to what was going on. Dougweller (talk) 10:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Will do if I see any similar IPs. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hamas - Palestinian right of resistance[edit]

Dred05m (talk) 07:31, 25 July 2014 (UTC)Recently, I have removed (07-2014) Hamas from the list of terrorist organization on the article War on Terror. The reason for this removal is because Hamas is an Islamic foundation founded by the late Ahmed Yassin and dr. Rantissi (both were assassinated by Israel). The election victory of Hamas in the Gaza-strip allowed the party to rule the power on to the Palestinian people since 2006. Also the Hamas party is doing charity works for the poor, disabled and children. I can not believe that this party still has not been removed of the list of terrorist organization by the United States, European Union and Japan. This party deserve a chance to rule together with Fatah to maintain a Palestinian unity. 

Dougweller, do you believe the killing and bloodshed of 15 innocent lives (women and children) on an United Nations school on 24-07-2014 by Israel is not an act of terrorism ? Beit Hanoun in Gaza

User:Dred05m, your beliefs and mine don't matter here. We go by what reliable sources say about the organisation. If it's on their lists, it's on their lists. And no one is guiltless in that conflict. But it certainly violates NPOV to just call Hamas a charitable organisation. Dougweller (talk) 09:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Democratic Party Comment[edit]

I have not made any comments on the Democratic Party page, my user contribution page will affirm this. I can't begin to imagine what you were referring to. I have made one edit to the page itself today, and it was merely cosmetic. Please can you clarify. Hayek79 (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Hayek79, your contributions history includes [1] with an edit summary "Re-included internal factions and Conservative trend in the Democratic Party whitewashed by blondeguynative)". That's a personal attack. Dougweller (talk) 18:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
User:Dougweller, I will make a point of asking him if he objected to it, and apologise in the event that he was offended. Otherwise, I feel you ought to revise your understanding of the meaning of "personal attack", "personal attack" would involve the denigration of his character, something I did not come close to doing. Hayek79 (talk) 12:27, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Hayek79 - sounds reasonable, let me know if I need to revise my post on your talk page. Dougweller (talk) 12:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

ISIS is a terrorist army[edit]

I am providing three of many reliable sources: Worldedixor (talk) 05:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:In the news[edit]

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The Signpost: 23 July 2014[edit]


Doug, given that I know next to nothing about the content issues, your comment here in response to Aleko's statements would be helpful. I know this is a conduct issue, but still ... --Bbb23 (talk) 16:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Historicity of Jesus[edit]

Wondering if you might see any behavior problems worth addressing here.John Carter (talk) 18:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

John Carter, not yet. It would be nice though to try to get people to put up specific proposals. Dougweller (talk) 16:57, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Does this external source citation in the "Wichita Massacre" article pass muster?[edit]

Hi. I took the cite which you had removed and moved it to "External Sources"

Is that permissible?

There is a plethora of media coverage on the reversals, some of it confused and some dead wrong. I thought posting the case syllabus on Jonathan's appellate decision might help clarify that.

I've noticed that there's a good deal of reader and viewer feedback attendant to the coverage, some even asking about whether it's possible to remove the deceased trial judge from the bench.

Please feel free to remove or substitute something more helpful that is within Wikipedia guidelines if my restoration/move is not appropriate, or to add more. I expect there may be a law journal discussion about the case in the near future.

Thanks for your diligence with regard to maintaining this article. Activist (talk) 18:54, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

User:Activist I raised this at Wikipedia talk:External links#Primary sources as ELs. Dougweller (talk) 17:15, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi there. I'd like to ask about this part. What to do now? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Cathy O'brien[edit]

Hi - i'm messaging you to query your deleting of my editing of the Cathy O'brien page. The reasons you gave for deleting my editing were

A) The quote wasn't contained within the supplied link.

B) The linked website was not an "official source".

C) The quote was about monarch, where as the Wiki article is about O'brien, therefore the quote was off-topic.

Let me address these objections in order.

A)I read the link. The quote was indeed supplied within the link.

B)The link was accepted by wikipedia. Also, the Greenbaum speech AKA “Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse,” by Prof. D. Corydon Hammond is cited 7 times on google scholar.

In fact “Hypnosis in MPD: Ritual Abuse,” now usually known as the “Greenbaum Speech,” was delivered at the Fourth Annual Eastern Regional Conference on Abuse and Multiple Personality, Thursday June 25, 1992, at the Radisson Plaza Hotel, Mark Center, Alexandria, Virginia. It was Sponsored by the Center for Abuse Recovery & Empowerment. The existence of the lecture is not in doubt. In fact it is quoted in dozens of different web pages.

It is also referenced in this scholarly book McNally, RJ (2003). Remembering Trauma. Cambridge, Mass: Belknap Press. ISBN 0-674-01802-8. (pg 235-237)

C) I note that there is another quote/edit which is about Monarch, and not O'brien included within the Wiki article (Reference number 5). Why have you not also deleted that?

Could you please reconsider this edit? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rogernome (talkcontribs) 05:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

India Against Corruption[edit]

It is kicking off again at India Against Corruption, an article that you semi'd until 1 July. - Sitush (talk) 09:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, decided to ignore by TP until after lunch. But I did see the problem and protected earlier. Dougweller (talk) 12:10, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
No probs. I hope nothing spoils your digestion. - Sitush (talk) 12:32, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

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Mahmud of Ghazni and Shivaji[edit]

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