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Re: Drax

I would humbly like to offer a suggestion to you in the future. When working with the articles that are written by others, I would suggest to you that you should consider being sensitive to those who contribute. While you are no doubt familliar with all the nuances of Wikipedia, not everyone else may be your equal in that arena. I suspect that some of the contributors may be more expert in the topics they are writing about then they are specifically in Wikipedia itself. This is where your positive leadership may be both beneficial and encouraging. I think that you'll find that the wanton deletion of content/photographs may actually lead to discourage participation from new contributors outright, which I would think is undesirable overall. Please consider explaining what changes or reequirements that you desire the contributor to add to their content before just deleting their content. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RobHoitt (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry you felt I was insensitive in my handling of the image of Drax. But the plain fact of the matter is that one encounters so many images which risk copyright abuse to varying degrees — a vital concern in an encyclopaedia which is intended to provide free content — that there is simply not the time to fix every image file which is lacking, especially when one is not the uploader. Copyright is taken seriously around here; in the end, it's better to err on the side of caution, so I deemed removing the image from the article was the best course.
However, I would point out two things to you: A) as attested by your talk page, I left you a note with links to relevant guidance on what to do, which would give you ample time to make whatever file modifications needed to be made; B) the image upload page also provides you with stern warnings about what must be done, with links to relevant guidance on how to do it. Moreover, the latter also lets you know what can happen to non-free images for which the necessary rationales, etc, are missing (ie. they will be deleted). As such, it's difficult to see that you've been ill-served in terms of having information made available to you. Cheers. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 07:10, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Mark, I am now at a loss. You have now marked my page as having questionable 'notability.' I have provided four specific sources in which the character of Drax has appeared. (The character of Harriet Jones for example has had half the appearances in the Doctor Who universe but (like Drax) because of her impact on the overall lore, has a page of her own.) Drax may not be as popular of a character in the modern lore, but popularity has never been a measurement, as far as I can determine, for eligibility for inclusion. RobHoitt 04:00, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Rob, the addition of a notability tag is not necessarily a crisis point for an article. It simply marks an article as lacking in certain respects, the proper response to which is to address those concerns so that the article doesn't remain vulnerable to being turned into a redirect or nominated for deletion, say. In particular, it has the potential to attract the attention of editors who are in a position to make the necessary repairs. Removing the tag doesn't help the article.
Now, allow me to explain why I tagged the article: characters of fictional works can earn their own articles if an encyclopaedic treatment of them would lead to the original work becoming too long (see WP:FICT#Fiction_in_Wikipedia). So, for example, there's a strong case to write articles about individual incarnations of the Doctor (leading characters with a ton of coverage in independent sources). The current problem with Drax is that there's currently little to say about him that couldn't be slipped into articles about the handful of stories in which he appears. And this is a key point: encyclopaedic articles about fictional topics need to be able to assert their notability via significant coverage in sources independent of the subject (ie. something reasonably substantial and exterior to those story appearances, whether it be media coverage, treatment in academic texts, being referenced in non-Who works, whatever).
And this leads me to a further problem with the article: as per WP:WAF#Real_world_perspective, an encyclopaedic treatment of fiction offers a real world perspective. There's currently little along those lines in Drax (Time Lord); it's written as a very brief character biography, with a couple of notes on spin-off appearances. There's nothing on character conception, the how and why of how the character was developed, production notes or anything that explores the aspect of Drax being the product of a creative process. If an editor could introduce properly sourced inclusions along those lines, that might go some way to justifying notability.
I've reintroduced the tag. Please don't remove it again; God knows, the article needs all the help it can get. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 07:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia

Welcome!

Hello, RobHoitt/Archives 1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Welcome. We're happy you're here. SilkTork 10:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

A round of drinks

Nice one. I have been meaning to visit the US of A. I have a few beers I am interested in! I'll give you a shout if I come over and we can buy each other a round. Regards. SilkTork 16:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Assume Good Faith

I noticed this comment you made on SilverTork's discussion page:

Over the last couple days, Digby has been a busy person adding and revising the article, albeit nothing was really negative, so perhaps the communication to him to state I was concerened about deleting things without explanation was enough.

I can't help but think I've been somewhat misrepresented by the part in bold. All my edits on Drax (Doctor Who) have come with edit summaries; not only that, but when asked, I've taken some effort to explain things to you.

You might want to take some time to read this guideline: Wikipedia:Assume good faith. It can be an enormous help in Wikipedia transactions. Especially, for example, when someone does something you don't like or don't understand. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 17:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Rob, you seem to see tones in my responses that simply aren't there. There's not much I can do about that, but I'd rather not be misrepresented in future. As for Drax (Doctor Who), how the article should proceed is quite simple: it needs some out of universe material (ie. real world stuff). You might want to start looking for something along those lines; without it, the article is vulnerable, for reasons I've already mentioned. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 19:54, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

I'm really pleased! Thanks so much. SilkTork 23:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Home brewing

I do that as well. Mostly kit with a twist (using my home grown hops, etc). The most interesting beer I made was a kvass. Beer from bread! Amazing. If you do it, it's best to use bakers yeast rather than brewer's yeast. I was stunned that it was possible to make beer from ingredients that can be found in most people's home larder. Shows how simple and basic beer actually is. SilkTork 12:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

User Talk Pages

I would thank you in the future not to touch my personal users' page in the future. We have established that you have some personal issues against me, and it would appear that you are meddling in the hopes of some kind of adverse reaction that I will not give to you. You have made a large array of hateful commentary torwards me, and your further actions seem to only add to my case. I would liken your actions to pouring gasoline onto an already ignited fire. Do us both a favor and do whatever it is you seek to do elsewhere. RobHoitt 14:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Rob, people aren't allowed non-free content in their user space. Since someone had added it to your page, I did you a favour and removed it. It's that simple. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 14:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I'd prefer that you personally didn't do me any more favors. Given your previous commentary, you'll understand why I might have a problem with you editing my personal page, for good or ill. Perhaps in time I might take value in your input, but for now I can not. So if you really want to do me any favors, my suggestion is to let me be. If, as you say, I am in need of growth and guidance, allow it to be offered by others. Then you and I will have no further reasons to quarrel personally and can each go about our lives pleasantly. I doubt that is too much to ask of you, after all you have indicated publically that you feel you are more mature than I, so let's both take the mature road going forward, alright? RobHoitt 14:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I very rarely edit someone else's user space (except on talk pages, for the purpose of communication). Unless exceptional circumstances arise, it's unlikely I'll be removing stuff from your talk page again. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 15:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Drax (Doctor Who)

Drax (Doctor Who), an article you created, has been nominated for deletion. We appreciate your contributions. However, an editor does not feel that Drax (Doctor Who) satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drax (Doctor Who) and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Drax (Doctor Who) during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. SilkTork *** SilkyTalk 10:45, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, the article has been listed for a wider discussion on the issue of its notability, and where and how it should appear on Wiki. Regards SilkTork *** SilkyTalk 10:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Your signature

It is complaint with WP:SIGNATURE so I would ask that you accept it. It is less than 3 lines of code. (It is 2 1/2 per my laptop's monitor, which is a Dell Latitude D620.) If you do not like it, then that is unfortunate, but it is an expression of who I am. RobHoitt- 15:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

Hi, I've noticed you've upset several administrators with your signature. I would hope you would consider changing your signature to something a little less garish to maintain the colleagueal atmosphere we try to maintain here. I've included a little of the Signature page so that you could tweak your signature slightly in order that it meets most of the points. Nick 15:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern, I feel that I am entitled to be who I wish to be, and to be seen as I wish to be seen. If people are upset at this, that really cannot be my concern. Having read the guideline, what I am using is within it. Insulting me, or calling my style garish only makes gives me more desire to continue as I have been. Call me stubborn if you want to, but I am proud of my Irish heritage and feel that expressing it in this manner is as good of a reason as any out there. I've see dozens of people just today that have odd charaters, weird fonts, and other things that make them stand out, and they have every right to, it is how they wish to be perceived. I have no more right as anyone to bash or hinder them for their individuality. Why should I be forced to conform becuase you don't personally like my style? If my being who I am is making the environment less 'colleagueal' as you say, then I would truly worry about the atmosphere of Wikipedia as a whole. This community is diverse, why be offended by my individual diversity? I doubt too many are. I suspect that a limited few are upset because I don't want to willingly be a steer in the herd that can easily be rounded to the slaughter. I am who I am, I have not made an offense to anyone in my expression, and I don't see any reason to make apologies for this. Nor do I see a reason to change just to placate others who have a little power and want to flex it. People can either accept me for who I am or choose not to, I try to make good contributions and I try to make the world around me better than how I am finding it now. I would hope that others would expend their energies in this pursiut as well. (That being said, we've beaten this topic into the ground I think. I don't intend to change it, and really there are much more important things foraeveryone to get involved with, so let's move on.)
RobHoitt- 15:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

Talk page header

Currently, you claim that you "reserve the right to edit, delete, censor, or modify any content on this page which I feel is inappropriate". I think you ought to take a look at both Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Wikipedia:User_page. There are limits to a user's editing rights on talk pages. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 16:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Mark, this line is in Wikipedia:User_page:
Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. Deleted warnings can still be found in the page history.
However to be fair, how do you feel I should express my desire to limit inapporpriate material? RobHoitt- 16:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk


Removal of comments is allowable, though not desirable. Censorship is another thing entirely. Your current talk page header expresses ownership, when it should be toned towards "speak reasonably to me". --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 16:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Would the modification to the disclaimer that I have made alleviate your concerns? RobHoitt- 16:50, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk


"Removal of part" suggests the right to edit or refactor comments. Again, removal is what you can do without argument. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 16:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough, I revised again, and sent you an email asking for more information. I will wait for that so we do not 'cross-thread' each other.
RobHoitt- 17:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

I know you!

Hey, Rob, thanks for your great work on square knots, I went to your userpage because I am eager to see this bio you are writing, I saw your face and I know you somehow. I can't say how, as you and I are from different parts of the country (though my ancestors founded Fitchburg Mass, and were like the second boat over after the Mayflower), but you are just slightly younger than me so we are contemporaries. Maybe NOAC or Jamboree staff, maybe you know George Oldroyd in Connecticut... who knows, but welcome! Chris 07:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Max's death

I have found no birthdate for Max and two death dates, June 9 and 15, 2004. But then you said it was one week after Ronald Reagan on both, which was (February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004). THese would be Feb 13 and June 12. I have no way to verify Feb 13, but June 12 doesn't match JUne 9 or 15 (see note on his talk page too). Can we conclusively settle his birth/death dates?Rlevse 09:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Venturing Leadership Award

Rob, keep up the great work. Could you create a knot image for the Venturing Leadership Award? --Jdurbach 14:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

My comment on User:SilkTork's page

Looking at your recent contributions, I was wrong to be so pessimistic about your potential. Allow me to apologise for that: I'm sorry. People who create free images are always welcome on Wikipedia.

Regards. --Mark H Wilkinson (t, c) 20:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your apology, it actually means a lot. No doubt it would also please you to know that I prefer to use software from a British company called Serif Software for my graphics work. The Serif folks opened up their US operations near my old home in New Hampshire, and were very kind in giving several software packages to a local Radio Club with no requirement of advertising or being repaid in any way. The software worked great, and I've been a loyal customer ever since. Cheers! RobHoitt- 21:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC) - comhrá/talk

Image:MaxSilber.jpg

You listed this as CC, but in the text you say it's PD from the scouting museum and the link you provided doesn't display the image. Pls provide the link to the image and proof it's PD. Rlevse 13:47, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

See response B made on my talk page.Rlevse 22:38, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I have an almost identical copy of the photograph here at home, except that the copy online was signed for Joe Kabat, mine is generically signed. Would it be better if I took a photo of the one that I have and post that instead? RobHoitt 19:41, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

IPs and blocking

The problem with blocking IPs is that they may be dynamic IPs, so by the time we block an address for an old edit, another person has been assigned the address. Thus, an innocent person may get punished while the perpetrator is free to act again. That's why IPs are only blocked when the vandalism is fresh or there's a long-term pattern of it. Also, you can run a WHOIS on the address and see to whom it's registered. If a school address is showing frequent vandalism, then it's fair to assume that it's a public lab where students are unsupervised, so multiple edits will lead to a {{schoolblock}}. —C.Fred (talk) 04:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Misnamed user boxes

Guy, the naming format you're using for your userboxes is all wrong. The correct naming format for personal userboxes is to make them subpages of your userspace, is of the form:

"User:RobHoitt/ScoutKnot HonorPalms"

NOT

"User:ScoutKnot HonorPalms"

The latter creates a user page for an entirely fictitious user called "ScoutKnot HonorPalms" -- and user pages for non-existent users are speedily deleted (using the {{db-nouser}} tag).

You're going to have to move all the incorrectly named tags to their proper titles (using the "move" tab at the top of the page) and tag the resulting redirects for deletion (using the {{db-nouser}} tag). I've done several already, but the rest you'll have to do. For the ones I've done, see here. Thanks for your attention in this matter. --Calton | Talk 12:26, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the error, hopefully all is better now. Thanks.
No problem. I would have done it myself, except that there were a whole lot of them. --Calton | Talk 05:25, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

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Image copyright problem with Image:07Buckle.jpg

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Lone Tree Scout Reservation

Hi Rob, I like your entry. Can you link to Lone Tree Scout Reservation? Any input would be great! Check out the Yankee Clipper Page and Camp Onway too... Mil41ler (talk) 00:32, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Greg Maddux #31

I see that you created the number image files for retired numbers of the Atlanta Braves. Since I'm not familiar with the format for the Braves, can I ask you to create the file for Maddux's retired number, as #31 was retired for him last month? Thanks. --Muboshgu (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

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User:RobHoitt/3/2/4/3

I have nominated User:RobHoitt/3/2/4/3 for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Nextil/:D. Cunard (talk) 04:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: May 2021

WikiProject Scouting | May 2021


Notes for May:

  • Congratulations to our Barnstar awardees!
  • Interested in coordinating a zoom meeting? Please let us know.


Other ways to participate:

--evrik (talk) 20:45, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: July 2021

WikiProject Scouting | July 2021


Things to watch for:


Other ways to participate:

--evrik (talk) 17:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: October 2021

WikiProject Scouting | October 2021

It is with sadness that we note the passing of Jim Howes. Throughout his life, Jim worked to make the world a better place. WikiProject Scouting now has no administrators listed as willing to help the WikiProject. If you are an administrator and are willing to help, please let us know here.

Things to watch for:


Other ways to participate:

--evrik (talk) 15:12, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: May 2022

WikiProject Scouting | May 2022


Notes for May:

Other ways to participate:

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: July 2022

WikiProject Scouting | June 2022


Notes for June:

Other ways to participate:

--evrik (talk) 22:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: August 2022

WikiProject Scouting | August 2022


Notes for August:

Other ways to participate:

--evrik (talk) August 1, 2022



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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: January 2023

WikiProject Scouting | January 2023


Notes for January:

Other ways to participate:

--evrik (talk) January 16, 2023

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: March 2023

WikiProject Scouting | March 2023


Notes for March:

Other ways to participate:

--evrik (talk) March 16, 2023

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WikiProject Scouting Newsletter: July 2023

WikiProject Scouting | July 2023


Notes for July
  • On our To do list, we need to prioritize some tasks for articles outside of the US or the UK.
Announcements for the benefit of all
Other ways to participate

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