User talk:Valkyrie Red/Archive 1

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Gman124 ^talk 21:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Spider-Man 4 reply

Ok looking at this 1) It was completely unsourced. The lead had a line saying

Filming is expected t
In September 2008 

I don't think the filming has started yet and that doesn't even make a full sentence.

2) Did you just copy the entire page from somewhere? as I can see the following

Contents 1 Production of the film 2 Villains for the film 3 Fake Advertisements 4 References  

You know if you want to copy something from wikipedia make sure you hit edit and then copy.

3) what is the references section supposed to be. they are all jumbled up and for what are they for? they aren't linked to any line.

4) Do you really have a source saying which villians will apear rather than just what people wish they want. Currently it is an extremly bad article and not better than what's in the series page section of Spider-Man 3. So I have redirected to the series page again.

Also see WP:NFF regarding future film articles. I copied one line from it: "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles. Budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date."

So please don't start that article until you can provide enough info and until the filming starts. --Gman124 ^talk 01:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Spider-Man 4 since that's the correct name. Though the article is really poor. Also you should look at WP:REFB to learn about the correct format about referncing. You are supposed to put the referene next to the lines not at the bottom of the page. And use the correct names next time. Gman124 ^talk 21:51, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

As you have been linked to it already, I remind you that WP:NFF requires, in most cases, production to start in before creating articles about films. As such, I"m reverting spider-man 4 back to a redirect until the filming starts. ThuranX (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It seems you aren't listening to others. What part of the WP:NFF guideline do you have trouble understanding? perhaps I can answer your questions? ThuranX (talk) 02:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

How to use Helpme

{{helpme}} Just copy the text as it is on your userpage (not the source text in "edit this page")--Edward130603 (talk) 21:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

{{helpme}}
Your question.
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--Edward130603 (talk) 21:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

How does X work?

{{helpme}} After you click the reference button at the top, what do you type in it? --Red Slayer 20:56, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The one that brings up <ref>Insert footnote text here</ref> when you click it? Its in the "edit" mode. Well, you insert a reference in the part that says "insert footnote text here". See also WP:CITE to learn about how to cite sources. Killiondude (talk) 21:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: Protection

Once you all reach a consensus on the issue you can request unprotection at WP:RFUP. Until then, they should remain protected - edit warring is disruptive and not helpful in any way. - Rjd0060 (talk) 02:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

How does X work?

{{helpme}}

I want to replace a picture that has been put on one of the pages. How do I do that?

For replacing two separate images that are uploaded, see Help:Images and other uploaded files. Note that on books you should keep the first edition cover, and not update to more recent paperback images. I'm guessing that is the case I would recommend reverting File:Pointblanc.JPG and File:Stormbreaker.JPG back to the first edition cover. -Optigan13 (talk) 00:08, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

How does X work?

{{helpme}}

How do I move the contents in a sandbox and does the content in the sandbox get removed?

Which contents are you referring to? You can create personal sandboxes (for example at User:Valkyrie Red/sandbox) as many as you like in your userspace (refer to Wikipedia:User page for details). Those pages will not be deleted or cleaned unless you choose to do so or the content violates our policies. On a side note, please sign your posts on talk pages like this one using ~~~~. Regards SoWhy 11:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

How do I add a picture to a page that doesn't have one?

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I want to add a picture to page which doesn't have one, how do I do it?

• If you want to add an existing image to an article, type [[Image:File name.jpg|thumb|Caption text.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, and Caption text with a short description of the image. See our picture tutorial for more information.
• If you want to upload an image from your computer, for use in an article, you must find out what is the proper license of the image. If you know the image is licensed under a free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons instead of here, so that all projects have access to the image (sign up). If you are unsure what license your image is licensed under, see the file upload wizard for more information. Please also read Wikipedia's image use policy. Hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Runescape Riots

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Runescape Riots, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process because of the following concern:

No assertion of actual notability, no references.

All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because, even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached.  Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 17:20, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please help me fix this article?

{{help me}}

I wrote an article called Runescape Riots, and it is very accurate, however, I don't get the whole references thing and so I failed at adding references. Can someone please add the references. The site I used for all of the information was www.runescape.wikia.com

Please help!

Please see our guideline on using reliable sources, and see WP:CITE for info on how to cite things. There are only certain times that it is acceptable to cite a wiki, because it is a sefl-published source. Killiondude (talk) 21:46, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

To learn how to add footnotes, please see Wikipedia:Footnotes. For moreinformation about citing sources, please see WP:CITE. I'd say the best way to add your references is to use the {{cite}} template within a ref tag, like <ref name=name-of-source>{{cite web|title=...|url=...|date=...|accessdate=...}}</ref>. If you need to footnote another place with a source you have used before, you can simply use <ref name=name-of-source />—C45207 | Talk 21:49, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

You would need to find better sources, as explained above - such as published books or newspapers. For help with how to actually make the references, have a look at my own guide, user:chzz/help/ref. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  21:52, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that you were using a primary source. To evaluate whether a topic is fit for coverage by Wikipedia, you must show the existence of secondary sources. Now on the deletion discussion page of the article, you have stated, basically, that you do not expect to be able to find secondary sources. The bad news is, this means Wikipedia cannot keep your article unless you are proven wrong about that. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 22:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not remove Articles for deletion notices from articles, or remove other people's comments in Articles for deletion debates, as you did with Runescape Riots. Otherwise, it may be difficult to create consensus. If you oppose the deletion of an article, please comment at the respective page instead. Thank you. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 12:11, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Please do not add content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did to Shigeru Miyamoto. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. -sesuPRIME 23:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

List of wars 1800–1899

Can I ask why you removed several entries from this list? Ironholds (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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How to contact Jimmy Wales

{{help me}}

I need to contact Jimmy Wales for my own reasons. How do I do it?

See User:Jimmy Wales. Algebraist 19:39, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Please see the 'Contacting me' section at the top of his talk page, here.  Chzz  ►  19:42, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Antietam changes

Hi there. I've reverted your change to the above page; as described on the talk page of the article, the sourcing for your version is somewhat concerning - it appears to be a personal or amateur web page, which doesn't really fall under reliable sources criteria. If you feel that a change needs to be made, please go to the talk page with a reliable source and discuss it before further changes - simply reverting without comment as you have done a couple of times is not appropriate, and leans towards edit warring, which I see you've been warned about before. Thanks. Tony Fox (arf!) 20:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

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Turn a page

Valkyrie, please turn a page and I think you can become a great contributor. Also, check out WP:H8. Cheers!--Edward130603 (talk) 16:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

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WP:FILMS Welcome

Welcome!

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask another fellow member, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Future films

Thanks for contacting me. Generally, future films do not have articles until filming actually starts. Many films can have major stars attached only to have them dropped or replaced by the next day. Rather than create film articles only to have production of a film be shut down, it's better to be certain the film is definitely going to be made. If filming is already started, then it's highly unlikely that the film will be cancelled. Although it is very likely that a fourth Spider-Man film will be made, it's possible all of the main actors/director may not return and it could be years before it's made. It's best to wait it out (hopefully it's not too long, I'm already ready for the next one). In the meantime, you can create a sandbox article, gathering related sources (or expand the current section in the Spider-Man (film series) article) and preparing the article for the day it may appear. For further guidance see film notability. If you need further clarification let me know. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

How do you add a link to another page, without putting that pages name in internal links

Example: After the Confederacy attacked Fort Sumter, Abraham Lincoln declared war on them.

With the words, "Abraham Lincoln declared war on them" being a link to the page American Civil War.

Note- I know that's not what any article says. It was just a rough example I gave.

Use a Pipe-link. So for the above you would type: [[American Civil War|Abraham Lincoln declared war on them]]. The pipe character: | is above the backslash on your keyboard. Fribbler (talk) 00:02, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Signing edits and how to get your choice of name

Hi. It would help us all a bit if you could sign edits on Talk pages please - then it would be much easier to talk to you, like this! :) To sign, you just type four tildes - that's ~~~~, four of the "squiggle" character "~" and it signs it automatically for you with the date and time. Here's the cool bit: I notice that although your account is "Valkyrie Red" you like to sign as "Red Slayer", right? Well, by the same token my account is actually "DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered" but nowadays I sign as "DBaK" (yeah, the long name turned out to be a pain). So when I sign it looks like this:

DBaK (talk) 08:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC) - even though I just typed ~~~~!

- and presumably you'd like it so when you sign it looks like this:

Red Slayer (talk 08:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You can set this up to work automatically very very easily. At the top of the screen click "My preferences" then in that screen you should be on the "User Profile" tab (if not please click it) and on that tab the third box down is "Signature". In the "Signature:" input space type Red Slayer then go down to the bottom of the page and click "Save" - and you're done. Userfriendly sig, with your own choice of name, in a couple of minutes! Type ~~~~ at the end of each Talk page edit and bingo! It just works.

I really hope this helps. With best wishes, DBaK (talk) 08:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films August 2009 Newsletter

The August 2009 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:FILM September Election Voting

The September 2009 project coordinator election has begun. We will be selecting seven coordinators from a pool of candidates to serve for the next six months; members can still nominate themselves if interested. Please vote here by September 28! This message has been sent as you are registered as an active member of the project. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:30, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of General Webb

I have nominated General Webb (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Fences&Windows 00:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I am kicking myself for not thinking of disambiguation instead of deletion. I've withdrawn my nomination. Fences&Windows 12:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Films September 2009 Newsletter

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Speedy deletion nomination of Alvin-Earthworm

A tag has been placed on Alvin-Earthworm requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Jarkeld (talk) 19:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

How do you keep your sandbox from clearing it's contents every 12 hours?

{{help me}}

I don't want the sandbox the clear up an article i'm working on.--Red Wiki 01:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The sandbox is not for long-term article writing, only for short-term tests of wikimarkup. If you want a sandbox of your own that will not clear every 12 hours, you can create it at User:Valkyrie Red/Sandbox. This is known as a user subpage. Intelligentsium^review 01:59, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

How do you change the title of an article?

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I created an article, except I titled it wrong. How do I change it?--Red Wiki 17:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

You can move the page to a new title by clicking the move tab at the top, and selecting a new article name. AJCham 17:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

WP:FILMS October Newsletter

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How do you archive your talk page?

{{help me}}

As you can see, my talk page is quite crowded. How do I create archives so I can clear my talk page without deleting anything?Red Wiki 02:16, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Just make a subpage of your talk page, and copy all the posts over. For detailed info, see Help:Archiving_a_talk_page.-- fetchcomms☛ 02:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)There are a number of ways to do this, as described at Help:Archiving a talk page.

One is to manually archive the page, by creating User talk:Valkyrie Red/Archive 1 and cut-pasting the posts from your talk page. Another is to move this page from here to User talk:Valkyrie Red/Archive 1, which will archive your entire talk page in one go. This has the benefit of being quick, and retaining the edit history with the posts, but the disadvantage of archiving your most recent threads too, even though they may still be active.

A third way is to add some text at the top of your talk page which instructs a bot to archive it for you. You can take a look at my talk page (open the edit window to see the text), where I have instructed ClueBot III to archive my page. If you are uncomfortable with doing this yourself, I could set this up for you, in which case it would be very useful if you could come to the Help Channel and chat to me live, so I can ask you how you would like it set up. You can access the chat here.

Regards, AJCham 02:30, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I have a question for Civil War buffs on Wikipedia

{{help me}}

This picture here http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Trenches_petersburg.jpg was it off the Siege of Petersburg or the Second Battle of Fredericksburg, cause two different articles on Wikipedia, that have that same picture, suggest differently

The two articles that have the same picture are the Siege of Petersburg article and the Fredericksburg, Virginia article.Red Wiki 00:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, the image description page and filename indicate it is Petersburg, but the caption on Fredericksburg, Virginia claims this is a common error. I've no idea which is correct, but the guys at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/American Civil War task force should be able to help you. I recommend taking your question there.

{{Helpme}} is probably not the best way to find answers this kind of question, which requires specialised non-Wikipedia knowledge. Another alternative would be Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Regards, AJCham 01:08, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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AJCham 01:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Re: Civil War Picture Help

After examining several pictorial histories of the Civil War I was not able to identify your photo as originating from either Fredericksburg or Petersburg, however, using the B-157 identification marker in the lower left corner I was able to determine it is from Petersburg ca. 1865 as per http://www.archives.gov (http://www.archives.gov/research/civil-war/photos/images/civil-war-115.jpg). Hope this was of help. Arbogastlw (talk) 05:35, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Fredericksburg

Re: this revert, I agree with your edit summary, that is interesting. However, good writing practice would be that you find another source in addition to http://www.nps.gov/frsp/historyculture/fburg-hist-maryesh.htm and add a sentence or two into the article that is properly sourced and not simply copied and pasted from the NPS site. The passage makes strong concluding statements about the following months but without good sources it is simply an unsourced quote of another person's writing. Maybe you should copy the paragraph onto the article talk page and ask others to work with you to add that concluding overview into the "Aftermath" section. Sswonk (talk) 05:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

A User is Being Unfair

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There's this user who is being completely biased and unfair in several arguments I'm having with him regarding the American Civil War. He isn't reasonable, always gets his little Wikipedian friends to support him and reports me for the 3RR rule thing, just because I started it first. How do I report him or get him kicked out of the Civil War project on Wikipedia?

Thanks!

Well, ill try and help you guys figure stuff out, let me take a look through what's happened and ill get back in a sec. Tim1357 (talk) 02:52, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Im having trouble finding where the conflict has been. Who is the user that you have a dispute with? Tim1357 (talk) 03:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

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Tim1357 (talk) 00:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

United States

Thanks for your comment, but any admin looking at that talk page is just going to say "No Consensus" without reading a single word and decline the move. I've been around long enough to recognize the pattern. What matters here is not the quality of one's arguments, but the volume of them. It was worth a try, but, when any issue has defenders who adopt the tactics we've seen here, it's absolutely hopeless to try and fight it. Tevildo (talk) 23:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

US article

Hi Valkyrie Red, I'm sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way at the United States article. I certainly didn't mean to belittle your suggestion or anything like that, I think it was a very valid suggestion, but moving that article has been argued over many times before and I agree with the reasons given for keeping it at the same place. I know how frustrating Wikipedia can seem when you first get here, things are done in certain ways that don't seem to make any sense, and you can argue until you're blue in the face to no avail. I hope this experience hasn't dissuaded you from contributing further to Wikipedia, I think too many newcomers are scared away by what seems a horribly arbitrary beaurocracy. I assure you that contributing can be a much more fulfilling than your recent experience at the US article probably was. Anyway, hope there are no hard feelings, take care, and Merry Christmas. TastyCakes (talk) 01:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem, being as I'm not American being called unpatriotic based on my naming preference doesn't really strike a chord ;). I think you might have taken my comments in the discussion as being more personal than they were meant - I don't really have strong feelings one way or another as far as the article name goes. To be honest I think it's pretty trivial and not worth getting upset about - naming it one or the other has no real effect on the quality of the article or Wikipedia overall. Considering all the arguments, however, I think United States is a better name on the balance.

In this case, the administrator that closed the discussion (Juliancolton) decided consensus was not reached, which you can read at the top of the box: "The result of the move request was no consensus for move". Since there was no consensus to change anything, the status quo remains. As far as Golbez apologizing, I'm sorry but I don't agree. He got a little worked up, for sure, but I think he was just a little frustrated about dealing with the same things on the same articles time after time. And then you kind of threatened to report him and scolded him like a schoolchild when he hadn't done anything wrong as far as I can see, which made him more confrontational.

Anyway, take care, and happy Wikapediaing! TastyCakes (talk) 17:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Well I guess you'd have to ask Mr Colton :) But in all likelihood I think it was a fairly run of the mill decision on his part. There was a lot of arguing back and forth but in the end it was clear the discussion wasn't closing in on an agreement. 6 people supported your move, 16 people opposed it and one was neutral (although it's not really a vote, yadda yadda yadda). Both sides presented reasoned arguments, it appeared all opinions were heard. With that in mind, how could anyone think there was consensus to move the article? It had been almost a week at that point, which is I believe the length of time after which a decision is supposed to be made. The discussion didn't appear to be leading to anything productive and, as someone pointed out on the page, the move request didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding. With all that in mind, Julian decided it was time to wrap up the discussion and let the article return to other matters. In my view, this process exists to try and keep things productive, particularly on big important articles like the US. The discussion could have been kept open for months or years and still not get any closer to consensus. Better, I think, to shut it down when a stale mate (or an intractable disagreement) becomes evident and let other people spend their time improving articles rather than arguing. TastyCakes (talk) 21:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Haha, well I guess any debate where you don't get banned is a good debate. I know it sucks to think something and have something on Wikipedia fly in the face of that thing. I find the best way to deal with such things is to be as apathetic as possible. If wikipedia at large agrees with me, great. If not and it says I'm stupid and undoes all my changes, that's ok too. That philosophy isn't for everyone, but it certainly takes some of the edge off of the place. Take care, TastyCakes (talk) 23:52, 29 December 2009 (UTC)