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March 2010

Acting under a description

If you have the time, please revisit Acting under a description. Revisions have been made, but it is still under development. Your guidance would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amerywu (talk • contribs) 08:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Delayed grief

You can't merge and delete. That would violate GFDL as it would transfer authorship. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 17:21, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I've replied on the AfD page. (Thanks for alerting me here, but there's actually no need for you to copy your AfD comments here on my Talk page too, as I'm always watching AfD pages that I comment on and will see any comments there) -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank U!

Thank U so much!!! this is my first Barnstar!! thanx again!! :-) MariAna_MiMi (Talk) 21:36, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

You're very welcome - the work you do cleaning up references is the kind that easily goes unnoticed, but I think it's essential. -- Boing! said Zebedee 21:39, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Photo of military coup Thailand

Hi there, the photo File:BKK24090615.jpg was not meant as a POV statement but to show what was the reaction towards the coup on the part of some of the people from Bangkok. The scene of people making photos with their kids sitting on tanks is much more telling than the present photo (File:BKK21090604.jpg) which, to me at least, seems extremely non-informative as it only shows a bunch of soldiers hanging around on a street. It might as well be a photo of a group of soldiers having some time off from their duties on any ordinary day. Perhaps you would okay if the yellow shirt photo was placed back with a different caption such as "Bangkok supporters of the military coup flock to congratulate the soldiers"? The size of the photo also makes for better viewing as the present photo pushes down the red-shirt rally photo (which I had uploaded a few days ago) in to the section "Armed Forces" when viewed at a wider screen resolution. - Takeaway (talk) 10:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I was actually just reconsidering my revert when your message arrived, because I do agree it is actually a better photo - for the reasons you give. I'm just a bit concerned that any caption about "support" or "congratulate" might inadvertently suggest the coup had widespread support when it was, in fact, highly divisive. (And, in fact, a lot of people just went out to see it and have their photos taken rather than to offer support - I was there myself). Would something like "Bangkokians mingle with troops after the coup" work, do you think? -- Boing! said Zebedee 11:07, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

PS: I've reverted my revert and put your new photo back - we can sort out the caption separately. -- Boing! said Zebedee 11:18, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Seeing the amount of happy people wearing yellow shirts in the photo, I think it would be safe to say that at least some of them in this photo were indeed supporters of the military coup. I don't think that to describe them as supporters is POV when it is clear that they are due to them wearing their yellow shirts on a Friday.... ;-) I was in Chiang Mai at that time and even there some people handed flowers to the troops in support of the coup.

How about "Supporters of the coup and other curious Bangkokians mingle with the troops in the days after the military coup"? - Takeaway (talk) 11:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, you've convinced me :-) I suppose the reds get their own photo too, so perhaps just "Coup supporters mingle with the troops"? (I think your latest suggestion is actually a bit too long). -- Boing! said Zebedee 11:35, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Okidoki! :-) - Takeaway (talk) 11:37, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Treatment of lung cancer edit

I wanted to let you know that I started a new article on Targeted treatment of lung cancer. You had deleted, or proposed deleting, the last one I began. This one is far from finished, but I just wanted to give you a "heads up" that this was going on and to ask for you comments, help, etc. as you feel appropriate.

I also cordially invite you to check out the article I've written on "Combined small cell lung carcinoma". It is very nearly finished, but (obviously) requires a bit of "tweaking" here and there.

With many thanks and my very best regards: Cliff (a/k/a "Uploadvirus")

Cliff L. Knickerbocker, MS DDF 22:28, 25 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uploadvirus (talk • contribs)

Ron Wyatt

I edited the Ron Wyatt page because there are extremely biased editors editing religious pages to intentionally descredit or defame individuals by entering misleading statements. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyasae (talk • contribs) 17:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Please see WP:NPOV and WP:RS. The Ron Wyatt article is appropriately sourced and currently appears to reflect the majority view of his claims. If you wish to change it to imply that his discoveries are true (eg by changing the heading "Claimed discoveries" to "Discoveries"), you will need to provide reliable sources that verify the actual discoveries he claimed - things like peer-reviewed papers by other archeologists who support him, in reliable archeological journals, should do the trick. -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:34, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank You

A massive Thank you for getting rid of the vandalism on my talk page.--Welshsocialist (talk) 23:17, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. -- Boing! said Zebedee 23:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

MRTV

Thailand - and how?

Are you from Thailand? And how can I put 1 reference in 2 places of the article?--118.172.189.233 (talk) 11:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I'm British, but my main home is in Thailand, where I spend about half my time (though I'm in the UK now).

To use the same ref in two places, you need to give it a name the first time you use it, something like...

<ref name=ref1>[the reference]</ref>

Then the second and subsequent times all you need to do is...

<ref name=ref1/>

..and that will link to the same ref.

Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee 11:46, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

But I want to know that you're Thai race or UK race?--118.172.189.233 (talk) 11:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm of British racial origin -- Boing! said Zebedee 11:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Midnight Radio and Television

Replied on my talk page. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:04, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I'm starting a section on the Talk page of the article - that's where this discussion needs to be -- Boing! said Zebedee 12:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Re:MRTV-4

I see you have also been changing the article MRTV-4 to make it describe a Thai TV station. There genuinely appears to be an MRTV-4 station in Myanmar (the article provides good references). So if there is a Thai one too, you will need to create a new article with a new title, eg "MRTV-4 (Thailand)", and not over-write the Myanmar article. -- Boing! said Zebedee 12:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

But these programs are from Thailand. I don't think MRTV-4 also exist in Myanmar. The stations I know in Myanmar are MTV1, MTV2, MTV International, MTV3, MTV4, MRTV, Myawady TV, MM. For the websites of mrtv3 and mrtv4 (.net.mm) are really MRTV, but it seperates to 2 websites, one in English and another in Burmese. (Click edit to see secret note!)--118.172.189.233 (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Look, the references are there, provided in the article, and that's what Wikipedia is all about. Your personal knowledge, and that of any friends, are of no relevance unless you can provide reliable sources - see WP:RS. If you think there is a problem with the existing article, please open a discussion on the Talk page, explaining your reasoning, and state what you think is wrong with the references provided. Do not just rewrite the article without gaining consensus first - if you do so, you will receive warnings and will eventually be blocked if you continue. -- Boing! said Zebedee 14:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

OK

OK, and I'm bored of doing this now this month, maybe I will do more next month (Not so long, just tomorrow), so please lock Midnight Radio and Television page, MRTV-3 page and MRTV-4 page for 1 day (edit=sysop move=sysop for 1 day, then tomorrow nonmembers can edit)--118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't have the ability to lock or unlock anything as I am not an admin. And there will be no need to do so if you will just follow Wikipedia policies and discuss contentious changes on the Talk pages first - if you keep edit-warring to get your unsourced changes in against the consensus, you will be blocked from editing. -- Boing! said Zebedee 15:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

But someone will revert during I am not here. I don't wake up for 24 hours, and I don't play Wikipedia always--118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:08, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

OK so I will finish main article first.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Look, the onus is on you to provide justification as to why it should be changed in the first place, so without that justification, reversion is the correct action. If something needs to be changed, there is no urgency to do it, so it really doesn't matter whether it takes you 24 hours or 24 weeks to finish your article. So just leave the other articles alone until you have finished your new article, and then if you think others need to be changed, argue your case on the Talk pages and and achieve consensus first. I really am serious - if I see you engaging in further edit-warring I really will report your behavior for admin attention -- Boing! said Zebedee 15:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Can you request

request any admins to lock, because the progress won't grow if Anthony still reverting —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.172.189.233 (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

No. See my comment above. Finish your new article with reliable references, and just leave all the others alone until that one is done and reviewed - and sorry, but I really don't have time to spend all day repeating myself like this, so I will not reply further. -- Boing! said Zebedee 15:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

• See Talk:Myanmar Radio and Television#Move done. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 15:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

  Yep, thanks, I'm watching it - I created that section (plus the Edit War section) in an attempt to mediate -- Boing! said Zebedee 15:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

MRTV-3

See that. I left a note at WP:AN/I just to see if more hands can't sift and sort. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 15:22, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Good move, thanks - I still think this IP editor means well, but just doesn't seem to understand the Wikipedia basics. I guess we just need to keep an eye open. -- Boing! said Zebedee 15:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Btw, the following might shed more light on it, if you haven't seen it - Talk:Myanmar Radio and Television -- Boing! said Zebedee 15:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Anthony seems to have it well in hand. Dlohcierekim 15:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Reply

I do not have any satellites or cable, but I can watch it, but i'm only 50% sure that MRTV exist in Thailand, as I see the ident said "MIDNIGHT RADIO TELEVISION" every times, and I see one program that I can't understand, and I just assume that it's Burmese. It is maybe some other languages.

Let's continue on the Lao LNTV3, it is said only in Thai wikipedia. And I tried google "LNTV3" and it comes only 1 and it's in Thai. But when I asked someone else but they say yes, it exist in Laos. No websites doesn't mean that the station doesn't exist. (In that blog already said that it's less-viewed).

And when I received it's not clear signal, maybe I'm doing a TV-DX by receiving Burmese one. But I'm not a DXer, so the chance is lower.

I am only 10% sure that MRTV-3 and MRTV-4 also exist. But for some most-viewed channel such as TV3 or TV7, I'm 100% sure because I'm watching it clearly and everywhere and everytime.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss it on Talk:Myanmar_Radio_and_Television#Some_research, not here. -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		Looking harder and digging deeper Dlohcierekim 17:15, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks, it's much appreciated -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Gantlet

Have you ever considered running the gantlet? Dlohcierekim 17:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

That's a very kind suggestion, and I do appreciate it, thanks. It's something I might try for in the future, but for now I'd really like to concentrate on some solid article work for a few months - there are quite a few new articles I want to create, and some I want to rework. I also want to get some more experience of CSD, AfD, NPP, before I think about admin seriously - I do a bit in all of them, but haven't been doing them for very long. And I also think it's good to spend some time mediating in disputes (like the current one) without admin status, as it helps keep my approach humble. -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

MRTV (contd)

It will be better to do this

I think that I need to check sources with you for few days. (Again, click edit to see)

--118.172.189.233 (talk) 17:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Sure, take as much time as you need to research sources - I'll be happy to help review them when you're ready (but remember, you need publicly-available sources - telling us what your friends say is not sufficient). -- Boing! said Zebedee 17:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Re

I did not remove! But I move to Talk:Channel 3 (Thailand)--118.172.189.233 (talk) 18:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

You must not do that either - you must leave other people's comments as they wrote them, where they wrote them, and neither change, delete, nor move them. I strongly suggest that you give it a rest now, spend your time working on your new article, and just leave everything else alone -- Boing! said Zebedee 18:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I put some ref

I already put some refs, now don't block me--118.172.189.233 (talk) 18:31, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Do you have YouTube account?

Try private message to user fun17092008 if in Myanmar have MRTV or not. He/she is from Myanmar--118.172.189.233 (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

YouTube is not a reliable source as per WP:RS -- Boing! said Zebedee 19:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

But at least it can help--118.172.189.233 (talk) 19:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

FUN17092008 IS ONLINE RIGHT NOW!!! BEFORE HE/SHE LOGGED OFF!!!--118.172.189.233 (talk) 19:56, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you have been provided with reliable evidence that MRTV is a Myanmar concern and that its TV channels exist and are notable - there is no question of that. I have no interest whatsoever in asking anonymous people on YouTube whose unsourced opinions count for nothing. If you can't or won't read WP:RS, then there is nothing I can do to help. I think I have been very patient with you, but now, will you please stop bothering me with this nonsense - I will review any future changes you make in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and will act accordingly, but that is all. -- Boing! said Zebedee 20:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

But asking normal users can also help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't have YouTube account so I can't ask myself--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you reply as fast as possible?--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Why did you revert Midnight Radio and Television? Many Wikipedia articles does not have sources or references.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

That last change was a mistake, sorry - I have reverted it -- Boing! said Zebedee 20:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

OK - I want to ask you, do you have YouTube account? I don't care about the fun17092008 until you say yes or no--118.172.189.233 (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

If I don't edit please see and check my new article that you revert by mistake, but if I can edit I will tell you.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 21:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

There's no need to tell me - I'm watching that article and will see any changes -- Boing! said Zebedee 13:38, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I will sleep. See you tomorrow.--118.172.189.233 (talk) 21:06, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I won't go to April Fools now--118.172.189.233 (talk) 07:11, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

April 2010

Reversion

That was a pretty quick reversion! How do people adopt pages, to be notified of changes? I want to build a site and I am in awe of wikipedia. EGreg (talk) 21:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I have that page on my watchlist (many people watch the day's featured article), and I just happened to check at the time - but the Wikipedia site is good, yes ;-) Best regards -- Boing! said Zebedee 21:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

David Downes

Hi, would you mind having a look at talk:David Downes and reconsidering your message to User talk:174.112.192.100? Thanks ϢereSpielChequers 18:01, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I've commented at Talk:David Downes -- Boing! said Zebedee 18:18, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

The Whitehouse (pub)

Great work on adding a photo! Lugnuts (talk) 08:56, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :-) -- Boing! said Zebedee 08:59, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Registered to TOT - but check contributions.

I will have to call 3 users as 1 and 2 and 3.

I can't remember that I broke 3RR or not.

Can you check his contributions of ALL that you said about older edits? If he edited TVP1 or TVP2 or Polish TV related then it's not me. Also people who claimed to have a CAMBODIA satellite, it's 2.

1 (me) = Edit only Myanmar-TV-related articles. I wasn't on Wikipedia since March 2010.
2 = Edit TVP articles, he said his YouTube channel is ThaiBeyond. Looks like he is new to Wikipedia, but really I see that he started editing since late 2008.
3 = American boy, he said his youtube ch. is postlegends. He is on Wikipedia since mid-2009. He edits European TV, He disappeared from Wikipedia now.--125.25.26.25 (talk) 22:04, 5 April 2010 (UTC)