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Elizabeth is retired from acting

Yes, Elizabeth Taylor is retired from acting. Although she still is very active in her fight against AIDS thru The Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation and AMFAR. As well as creator and designer for the House of Taylor - a fragrances and jewlery company a.k.a. The Elizabeth Taylor Cosmetics Company 201.29.204.135 (talk) 01:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe because of her numerous health problems Elizabeth Taylor cannot be insured to work in films. 195.93.21.99 (talk) 07:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, death is a serious impediment towards her acting career. Also, terrible use of quotation marks in 'Early Years' that I can't edit away due to her recent passing and my laziness to get an account. One of you wiki slaves should get to it and fix it (hint - single quotation marks are used for quotes within quotes, see the bit about her renouncing US citizenship.) 128.255.203.23 (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done It's been corrected. The "mis-quote" effect was caused by improper use of nested templates. —Quicksilver^{T @} 20:33, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Glad one of us "wiki-slaves" (otherwise known as an "editor") was able to fix the quotation marks/nested template issue (which can be quite tricky) but I'd also like to point out to the IP editor making the comment above that the post they were partially responding to was almost 5 years old. Shearonink (talk) 02:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No such thing as "a congestive heart"

Toward the end, the article mentions that Elizabeth has "a congestive heart". There is no such thing. What she has is "congestive heart failure". This refers to congestion of blood flow throughout the body, especially the legs, caused by the failure of the heart to pump efficiently. The heart itself is not "congested". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.56.198 (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

you should just change obviously wrong stuff like this, rather than slogging away at the discussion page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.175.57.184 (talk) 19:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unregistered users can't make changes to articles while they're semi-protected. —Quicksilver^{T @} 20:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Citizenship

I don't know if what is claimed in the article about Taylor holding dual UK/US citizenship is accurate. I believe she renounced her U.S. citizenship when she married Richard Burton, and now, although long resident in the U.S., holds a "green card" via her marriage to Senator Warner. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 00:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually this confirms it, but I would like a consensus of some sort before changing the article on this point. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 15:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The link at MentalFloss does NOT confirm it. It states that she failed to perform the renunciation correctly, despite her intention to renounce. Besides, she still resides in the USA, yes? Hardly the action of one who wishes to seriously renounce citizenship. 14.200.32.78 (talk) 06:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Safe to say that she held dual citizenship at birth, because both of her parents were American and she was born in England. According to "The Elizabeth Taylor Archives", at various times in her life she gave up and renewed both her British and American citizenships, and they claim she held both passports. Not the best source for us, but does answer this question - better sourcing would be a good idea. Tvoz/talk 18:03, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See the Talk Page archives. This issue was covered and resolved earlier. —Quicksilver^{T @} 20:38, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Sindifizer, 25 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} This link is dead

In October 2008, Taylor and Winters took a trip overseas to England. They spent time visiting friends, family and shopping.^[1]

Sindifizer (talk) 06:33, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done Removed. -Atmoz (talk) 14:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Early years

The fourth paragraph begins with, "Through Hopper", even though there is no reference to a Hopper except of Jane Alexander playing the role of "Hedda Hopper" in the section headed 1980-2003.173.19.216.213 (talk) 13:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Adding to that, there's no full identity for Vaccani either. 110.33.232.78 (talk) 22:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

British or American date style?

I think we should use the America date style (MONTH-DAY-YYYY) because Elizabeth has long lived in the United States. Thoughts?. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 13:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going ahead with it. If there are any objections, please voice them here. — CIS ^(talk | stalk) 15:12, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK, you go ahead with the birdbrained American date style.--2.99.241.156 (talk) 18:40, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spoken like a genuine idiot. I'd call you a birdbrain but I don't want to insult birds.

Edit request from ValleyPoet, 23 March 2011

Please change "Through Hopper" to "Through Hedda Hopper" ValleyPoet (talk) 13:58, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ValleyPoet (talk) 13:49, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Shearonink (talk) 14:10, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 216.234.145.178, 23 March 2011

It would be great to mention that she was surrounded by her children at the time of her death - same footnote citation used for her death.

216.234.145.178 (talk) 14:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done by User:Jjron. — Bility (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strange omission

Her appeal stems from not only her professional career but also her personal life; they are inseparable. It is very odd (and very artificial) that they are not intertwined in this article. Angry bee (talk) 16:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain what you mean, specifically. Tvoz/talk 01:34, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 32.97.152.254, 23 March 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} please clarify what you mean by adopted under Taylor's children...Maria Burton (born August 1, 1961; adopted 1964)

32.97.152.254 (talk) 16:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor adopted her in 1964, what is your question? Also, please don't use the {{edit semi-protected}} to ask a question; the template is used to notify other editors that you want to make an edit to the article. The reference desk may be able to shed some more light on your inquiry. Cheers, — Bility (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Smoking

I believe the article should mention the fact that Elizabeth Taylor was a heavy smoker from at least the age of eighteen, since this was almost certainly the cause of her congestive heart failure that eventually resulted in her death. (HantersSpade (talk) 19:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]

If it's a fact she was a heavy smoker, that might rate a mention. But do you have a citation for the link between her smoking and her heart failure? -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 19:26, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Smoking is the main cause of heart problems. Elizabeth Taylor admitted smoking at least twenty cigarettes a day. This, combined with her many years of excessive drinking, is what caused her congestive heart failure. (HantersSpade (talk) 19:36, 23 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]

You still need a citation for the link between her smoking and her heart failure, otherwise it's WP:OR. --John KB (talk) 19:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Look up congestive heart failre on this site - cigarette smoking is the primary cause. (HantersSpade (talk) 19:46, 23 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]

You still don't get it . Read WP:OR, WP:V and WP:SYNTH. It's not about what you believe, it's about what you can verify. --John KB (talk) 19:53, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Burton's article mentions that smoking caused his death. (HantersSpade (talk) 20:16, 23 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Let me explain it to you. Yes, it is true that, in general terms, smoking brings with it a risk of heart disease, lung cancer, emphysema etc. That's undisputed. But we cannot say, in a particular case, that their smoking DID cause their heart disease, unless we have a citation from some medical authority who actually examined the person concerned and made that specific finding. Without that, we do not know that smoking was the precise cause of Liz Taylor's heart disease. It may have been, it may not have been. Only the medical people know. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 20:37, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For all you speculators weighing in on this matter, individuals who are non-smokers can succumb to congestive heart failure. Although one of my relatives liked to puff on a cigarette a day — but did not inhale and was considered a non-smoker for medical purposes — he nonetheless died of congestive heart failure. As far as the Wikipedia article is concerned, stick to the documented facts. —Quicksilver^{T @} 20:46, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Burton played Cesar not Mark Antony

Richard Burton played Cesar in Cleopatra not Mark Antony as noted in this article. Patmillar (talk) 19:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rex Harrison played Julius Caesar in the film. (HantersSpade (talk) 19:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]

Mark Antony was a contemporary, Caesar was a few years older. 92.7.212.136 (talk) 20:07, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No idea what that comment means. Burton played Marc Antony, Harrison played Julius Caesar. Tvoz/talk 01:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

American

Elizabeth Taylor was actually an American actress who was born in London. Since both her parents were American it is wrong to describe her as British or English. I remember this was controversial when she received a DBE. (HantersSpade (talk) 19:51, 23 March 2011 (UTC))[reply]

She still had a British passport as she had never given up her British citizenship, she said so herself in an interview given after the DBE. Dollvalley (talk) 22:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Under "Nationality" Taylor is described as "English-American." What is this? English is not a nationality. This should be "British-American." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.185.117.39 (talk) 00:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish

Ive noticed here that few say she was a jewish actress.That adjective isnt used as it is infact used in wikipedia to describe groucho marx,jack benny,milton bearle and even steven speilberg, alot of walmart type guys.Now it doesnt seem right to use it on liz taylor maybe because she was Glamorous and more of a Bloomingdales type.That doesnt quite fit a jew many think..to be glamorous.However id like to be the first to say that it does infact fit very well on jews and specifically on loren becall as well as on liz taylor.raquel samper.murcia spain.Glamorous jews arent pretending to be nonjews.They are being what they are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.97.68 (talk) 22:23, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very odd comment, and not pertinent to the improvement of the article. Please don't use this space as a forum. (And we do say she was a convert to Judaism.) Tvoz/talk 00:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article says she converted to Judaism. Did she remain Jewish for the rest of her life? Jim Michael (talk) 23:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. She said it was a spiritual decision, done for her beliefs, and in 2001, many years after her conversion, she said she was Jewish (Larry King interview). Why would you think she didn't remain so for the rest of her life? Tvoz/talk 00:36, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Last husband

This article makes no reference to Elizabeth Taylor's current husband Jason Winters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.33.164.227 (talk) 23:22, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She never married him. Jim Michael (talk) 23:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Place of birth

According to Ancestry.co.uk Liz Taylor was born in Hendon, not Hampstead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.54.171 (talk) 23:53, 23 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She and her brother's births were registered in Hendon. Were births in Hampstead at that time registered in Hendon? Jim Michael (talk) 00:52, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

[edit conflict] Ancestry.com is really not what we consider a reliable source - according to the Walker biography, Elizabeth: The Life of Elizabeth Taylor, her parents lived in London's Golders Green, not Hampstead, at her birth, and she was registered in Hendon, which may be what Ancestry.com is referring to. So in fact I'm taking out the Hampstead reference, unless a better source is found to support it, and leaving it as London. Tvoz/talk 01:07, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography article

The filmography page (separate article) should be divided into Films and television (and others if necessary) and tv shows and others, right now they are all together with no mention of what's what. Dollvalley (talk) 00:14, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Color Header photo

I restored the screencap image of Taylor from the film "Giant" in the header. It's an iconic image of her from a notable film, and is far superior to the b&w images that appeared earlier. The woman was most famous for her violet-colored eyes, so how could you use a b&w photo where they're not even visible? Also if you trace the history of the photo, you'll see that it's also been used by over 100 places on various Wikipedia/Wikimedia. My guess is because it captures Taylor so well. Any thoughts anyone? Thanks! X4n6 (talk) 01:39, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can locate something better...the screen cap is fairly and visibly of low resolution...is there any other alternatives already existing? Connormah (talk) 02:28, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly better than the B&W one. --John KB (talk) 02:33, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I checked over at Commons, and there was surprisingly little to choose from. But from what was available, this was a pretty easy choice for the header, even with the low res. If there is a better res, more current color photo that we can access and conveys the same spirit, I'd be pefectly willing to support it. Thanks. X4n6 (talk) 02:47, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

sorry to see you go, suggestions

sorry to see you go.

why can't I add stuff, there's a grammatical error. Kewlarticle (talk) 05:10, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

^ Non-Stop Divas, Women on the Web by Liz Smith, 2008

[1] Non-Stop Divas, Women on the Web by Liz Smith, 2008

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 == Elizabeth is retired from acting ==
 Yes, Elizabeth Taylor is retired from acting. Although she still is very active in her fight against AIDS thru The Elizabeth Taylor AIDS Foundation and AMFAR. As well as creator and designer for the House of Taylor - a fragrances and jewlery company a.k.a. The Elizabeth Taylor Cosmetics Company [[Special:Contributions/201.29.204.135|201.29.204.135]] ([[User talk:201.29.204.135|talk]]) 01:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
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 ::Glad one of us "wiki-slaves" (otherwise known as an "editor") was able to fix the quotation marks/nested template issue (which can be quite tricky) but I'd also like to point out to the IP editor making the comment above that the post they were partially responding to was almost 5 years old.  [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 02:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
+== No such thing as "a congestive heart" ==
-== Michael Jackson ==
-Just a small thing actually, but where the article mentions that she spoke out in favour Michael Jackson the final bit 'He was aquitted' seems rather lazily taped on.  It's probably just me and my nit-picking nature, but could someone please remove this entirely as it is not realy needed or, at least, alter it to '...Michael Jackson, for which he was later aquitted.' [[Special:Contributions/Fred Burma|Fred Burma]] ([[User talk:Fred Burma|talk]]) 07:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
-== No such thing as "a congestive heart" ==
 Toward the end, the article mentions that Elizabeth has "a congestive heart".  There is no such thing.  What she ''has'' is "congestive heart ''failure''".  This refers to congestion of blood flow throughout the body, especially the legs, caused by the failure of the heart to pump efficiently.  The heart itself is not "congested".  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.4.56.198|24.4.56.198]] ([[User talk:24.4.56.198|talk]]) 07:41, 20 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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+== Citizenship ==
-== Edit request from SDCHS, 13 May 2010 ==
-{{tld|editsemiprotected}}
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-Please change the single instance of ''Burrows'' to ''Burns''.  It was pointed out on January of this year that ''Burrows'' is incorrect, as is known by anyone who has read ''Jane Eyre'' or seen the 1944 movie.
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-[[User:SDCHS|SDCHS]] ([[User talk:SDCHS|talk]]) 07:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
-:{{ESp|d}} Fixed, sorry for the inconvenience with the semi-protection. [[User:Jonkerz|jonkerz]][[User talk:Jonkerz|♠]] 11:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
-== Foundation name ==
-By going to the foundation's home page, I find that its correct name is "The Elizabeth Taylor HIV/AIDS Foundation".  I was prompted to do this because the article has it as "The Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation" and I was surprised at the capitalization.  It's a little more off than I first thought it to be. [[User:SDCHS|SDCHS]] ([[User talk:SDCHS|talk]]) 01:21, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
-== Edit request from 99.28.248.25, 15 August 2010 ==
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-<!-- Begin request -->The word "jewelry" is spelled incorrectly throughout the text.
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-[[Special:Contributions/99.28.248.25|99.28.248.25]] ([[User talk:99.28.248.25|talk]]) 23:18, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
-:{{ESp|n}} "Jewellery" is the British spelling of the word (see [[American and British English spelling differences]]). Per Wikipedia guidelines ([[WP:ENGVAR]]), we don't change spellings from one variant to the other without good reason. [[User:Dabomb87|Dabomb87]] ([[User talk:Dabomb87|talk]]) 23:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
-== Bel Air residence ==
-Since the page exists (and appears heavily referenced, to and from), why not specify that Taylor moved to the [[East Gate Bel Air, Los Angeles|East Gate]] section of Bel Air, Los Angeles, California, which is her current home.?[[Special:Contributions/137.56.163.64|137.56.163.64]] ([[User talk:137.56.163.64|talk]]) 05:10, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
-== Health problems ==
-No mention of the host of health problems and numerous near-death experiences she's had all her entire life? Just a single mention of alcoholism, and that's it? We could devote an entire section to her health that would be longer than her marriages! [[Special:Contributions/24.189.87.160|24.189.87.160]] ([[User talk:24.189.87.160|talk]]) 07:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
-== Citizenship ==
 I don't know if what is claimed in the article about Taylor holding dual UK/US citizenship is accurate. I believe she renounced her U.S. citizenship when she married Richard Burton, and now, although long resident in the U.S., holds a "green card" via her marriage to Senator Warner. [[User:Rms125a@hotmail.com|Rms125a@hotmail.com]] ([[User talk:Rms125a@hotmail.com|talk]]) 00:17, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
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-==Portrait of Mary I==
-Re portrait of Mary I: What constitutes an "original" portrait? The British National Portrait Gallery Web site displays 5 portraits of Mary, (along with a coin) all seemingly painted within her lifetime. Possibly the portrait is the only one in which Mary is shown wearing a pearl which could be the Peregrina, now owned by Taylor. However, that is not what is stated.
-Re donation by Taylor & Burton of portrait of Mary I: Portrait Gallery Web site indicates that the portrait was purchased through the assistance of several sources, including Taylor & Burton. Is it true that Burton first bought the portrait for Taylor?  Even if this is true, it seems clear that Taylor & Burton did not donate it to the Portrait Gallery.  Possibly the inclusion of their names is the result of their having sold it for less than its worth--if they ever owned it.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.114.111.254|98.114.111.254]] ([[User talk:98.114.111.254|talk]]) 00:07, 22 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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 == Strange omission ==
 Her appeal stems from not only her professional career but also her personal life; they are inseparable. It is very odd (and very artificial) that they are not intertwined in this article. [[User:Angry bee|Angry bee]] ([[User talk:Angry bee|talk]]) 16:27, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
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 == Smoking ==
 I believe the article should mention the fact that Elizabeth Taylor was a heavy smoker from at least the age of eighteen, since this was almost certainly the cause of her congestive heart failure that eventually resulted in her death. ([[User:HantersSpade|HantersSpade]] ([[User talk:HantersSpade|talk]]) 19:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC))
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 Under "Nationality" Taylor is described as "English-American." What is this? English is not a nationality. This should be "British-American."  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/114.185.117.39|114.185.117.39]] ([[User talk:114.185.117.39|talk]]) 00:51, 24 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Jewish  ==
+== Jewish ==
 Ive noticed here that few say she was a jewish actress.That adjective isnt used as it is infact used in wikipedia to describe groucho marx,jack benny,milton bearle and even steven speilberg, alot of walmart type guys.Now it doesnt seem right to use it on liz taylor maybe because she was Glamorous and more of a Bloomingdales type.That doesnt quite fit a jew many think..to be glamorous.However id like to be the first to say that it does infact fit very well on jews and specifically on loren becall as well as on liz taylor.raquel samper.murcia spain.Glamorous jews arent pretending to be nonjews.They are being what they are.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.148.97.68|79.148.97.68]] ([[User talk:79.148.97.68|talk]]) 22:23, 23 March 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->