User talk:HJ Mitchell

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Closure of discussion about Abortion article titles

Hi HJ Mitchell. In the case Abortion, the main remedy established a community discussion to decide which title the associated article should use. The committee decided at that time to appoint three experienced administrators to close the discussion. With the community discussion beginning, we are looking to appoint these three administrators, and you were suggested as one such administrator. Would you be willing to close the discussion, when it has concluded? If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me or another arbitrator on our talk pages (or the mailing list, if you prefer e-mail). Regards, AGK [•] 22:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I've made something of a point of staying out of the discussions so far, which I suppose puts me in the handy position of being completely uninvolved. Sure, I'll take it on. I'd rather avoid forming an opinion in the meantime, though, so you'll have to let me know when you want me to look at it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:42, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, HJ. I'll let the other arbitrators know that you're happy to be named as one of the closers for the discussion. Your intention to stay detached from the page until the time of closure seems very sensible, and we'll certainly let you know when your attention is needed. Regards, AGK [•] 00:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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Your question

My apologies for the delay; I have responded to your question. Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 04:56, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Not a problem. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:10, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Last comment, hopefully

Hopefully, this is the last comment I waste my time on in the AE forum over the recent case.[1]
-- Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 11:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Gatoclass continues his campaign against a single diff in which I restored a blanket removed paragraph. To top it off, I have already fixed his complaint about "supernatural rats" to fit reliable sources. In short, he's non-collaborative, combative, and is still attacking text which is no longer in the article. I honestly, now, think he should be banned from the topic area due to this disruptive conduct.

With respect, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 07:23, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Heyo,

I noticed you were one of the admins aware that my edit was basically a revert of a contentious edit done a while ago. Sourcing is now directly to 'Palestinian Media Watch', which was always deemed usable when the RSN conversation was not dominated by prominent antagonists. That source is reliable enough for Hillary Clinton and a throng of mainstream media publications[2] -- and certainly, for wikipedia as well. Considering the accumulated examples of mainstream users, I cannot consider that referencing their translations is improper and the attempt to represent this in any other way is gaming. That said, I rephrased the article to fit the best source available and in doing so, I believe I've shown my ability to respond to concerns when they have merit. The paragraph's existence, though, was always in order due to a high volume of, mostly op-ed, articles calling the rat story a conspiracy theory. No one other than the original report (and Gatoclass) treated it as a legitimate real story (evil settlers trying to push Arabs out by bringing in cages with rats). And the content remained on the page for quite some time before it was blanket removed by Poyani, whom I reverted once I noticed.

I just don't know what to make of T.Caenes position that I can somehow be at fault for mediocre phrasing months after they occur and when I am working in the proper manner. I'd appreciate an explanation.

Best regards, Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 07:12, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Re your notification

Hi. There is an WP:AE request at the moment concerning recent editing around the area of cold fusion. It was pointed on WP:ANI that you had warned an editor recently about discretionary sanctions in this topic area just over 2 weeks ago.[3] Please could you log the entry at the bottom of the arbcom case page? Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 04:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Good point. I didn't see a log of notifications there—is that because nobody else has ever been given one? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:19, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes. The current case at WP:AE is the first anybody other than Abd has been reported. Regards, Mathsci (talk) 12:20, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

RE: RainbowDash / Futtershy and an unsuccessful ArbCom candidate

I'm not interested in forming a lynch mob; I'm interested in learning the truth. I also don't wish to appear as if I'm signaling any one person out. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 16:51, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Well that's what you'll get if your desire for the truth is realised, and it won't change the status of PBML or any of their other accounts. Nothing good lies at the end of the path you're treading, and nothing worthwhile will come from "learning the truth" (assuming, of course, that a certain banned user isn't just having you on). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:57, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

You don't believe that learning the truth is an end in itself? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 19:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I happen to agree with HJ. When the Truth™ is just going to needlessly increase drama, there is no reason in searching for it. Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't. There are some things people should be just as happy not knowing. This one of those things. Reaper puts it nicely. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

This is a project devoted to making information free and accessible, yet you would rather support a culture of secrecy? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 19:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd rather support a culture of doing something useful, like writing an article, instead of stirring up needless drama and pointlessly upsetting people who are very unwell. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

A question

Hello HJ. Sorry to bother you. I just left a message for User:NYyankees51 about your unblock agreement with him, and the later advice you and I gave him (it'll be a year ago this week) when he was causing disruption. Looks like he ignored the advice and was blocked twice shortly afterward and once again in May, and then again a couple of weeks ago, with an ARBCOM ban last month for good measure. I don't know if you'd like to give him any more advice, since he's ignored it in the past… In any case, I noticed that one of the terms of your unblock agreement was "being checkusered regularly". Is that being done? I don't have any suspicions or anything, but it just seems that since it was one of the conditions, it should be done periodically – and perhaps it is. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

He's had the advice. What he does with it is entirely up to him. If he were still a clueless newbie who honestly didn't understand why people objected to his conduct, I might be tempted to force-feed him more advice, but he's been around long enough to keep his own counsel on whether his editing is achieving his aims and whether or not to adjust it accordingly. As to being Checkusered regularly, I honestly have no idea—I did ask a CU to keep an eye on him at the time, but whether any checks are run is between the functionaries and NYyankees51. I imagine the CU logs would remain hidden from public view even if a way were found to mitigate the potential privacy concerns, simply because public knowledge that a check was run would quickly lead some to the (possibly mistaken) conclusion that there's no smoke without fire. For the same reasons, we're better off not knowing so that it doesn't influence our opinions of him, and doesn't impede the work of the CUs if or when they do run checks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:33, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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