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Requested changes from NowMedical

Good morning. I wanted to give you a ping to see if you were interested in participating at Talk:NowMedical under the “Requested Changes…” section and making whatever edits you feel comply with Wikipedia’s policies. Thank you in advance for your time if you decide to chip in. MarthaLuke (talk) 16:46, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

@MarthaLuke, thanks for the invite. My participation in the AfD which combined my admin and OTRS hats hopefully stands on its own. If there is further need of one of those you could call me in, but I do not plan on participating in the discussion. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:51, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Arbitrator question

Regarding this edit: can I suggest for clarity that you expand your question to avoid solely using an all-caps redirect jargon term? If I understand correctly, you are asking for evidence that the adminstrator's overall behaviour is in alignment with community expectations on conduct. Using just the shortcut term by itself can be confusing, as people sometimes drop references to the shortcut jargon when speaking about policy violations without actually using a negation. For example, when referring to a biased opinion, editors sometimes say something like "This is WP:NPOV" instead of "This violates WP:NPOV". Just something to consider. isaacl (talk) 21:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

You gave me an edit of yours Isaacl but I'm guessing you're referring to the section I created here. I have clarified. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:43, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry about that; I must have copied the link from the wrong page (it was someone else's edit actually). Thanks very much! (For anyone else's benefit, this is the correct edit.) isaacl (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for all the help, support and guidance you provided here — Amkgp 💬 04:37, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Some clarification about Kyiv/Kiev

Hi! I've seen your topic here. Just to make it clear, is it possible to change the city name from "Kiev" to "Kyiv"(i.e. place of birth, etc)? I'm not speaking about changing the whole "Kievan Rus" or "Prince of Kiev". Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kram333r (talk • contribs) 01:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Note - Barkeep49, before answering you may want to look here, and here, and here. Multiple editors are dealing with this. Just an fyi. Cheers. Fyunck(click) (talk) 01:56, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Kram333r it is possible to change the name. However, it should only be done so in keeping with the RfC close you linked to. This means in historical cases, which appears to be most of what you've been looking at, it should stay Kiev. For the parts that fall between historical and contemporary discussion and consensus is what is required. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 04:00, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

RexxS

It may be more heat than light but irrespective of the outcome, a lot of people are putting a lot of trust in the leadership of the new Committee and the changes you are making in the hope of turning it into a more equitable process. So far from me risking being desysoped again (?) by telling the Committee what they have to do, it may be worthwhile not ignoring everything that been said, and also stimulating the clerks into action concerning some of the totally inappropriate comments that are being made with impunity. Otherwise all your efforts (and mine) are wasted. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:39, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

I am attempting to be the best arb I can be. That means reading everything can comes our way - diffs and all. Reading of the diffs takes the longest because frequently I have to read far more than the diff just to get a sense of context and sometimes the diffs are links to entire discussions anyway. I look forward to discussing the proposed decision with the arbs, you, and the rest of the community when it is released. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much for reverting my changes. Didn't realize it was post-closure until I saw the notice up top AFTER posting. I didn't want to screw it up worse by deleting and then finding out I should have struck it or some other formatting faux pax. Buffs (talk) 17:18, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

@Buffs, we all make good faith mistakes and I appreciate how you went about this (realizing you made a mistake and just saying "I don't know what to do now"). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:19, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Clarification request

Here you mention my comment and ask for some diffs. Fair enough. But there's a couple things here and I'm not sure what diffs to provide. I make essentially two claims:

1. The restriction is not needed because the kind of sources it applies to are either already NOT used in the topic area, or if they are they can be removed according to just regular WP:RS policy
2. The main problem in the topic area is not shoddy sources but editors misrepresenting what reliable sources say.

I provided some examples for #1 and can add to it. I'm a little hesitant with respect to #2, however, as I don't want to fuel the WP:BATTLEGROUND atmosphere. Providing diffs for #2 would necessitate me getting specific about WHICH editors are doin' the misrepresentin'. And that would immediately lead to escalation and fights, probably here or on the ArbCom page. Some of this has already made it's way to WP:AE or talk pages so I want to emphasize that I am NOT making a evidence-free claim. The diffs are there if needed. But I'd rather avoid turning that AbrCom page into another slug fest at this point. If you think these diffs are needed let me know. Volunteer Marek 16:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek thanks for your thought and attempts to not inflame a delicate situation. If there are diffs of administrators (preferably at AE) saying #2 I would like to see those diffs. You would be welcome to email me diffs and from there we could jointly figure out what might be appropriate to post onwiki and what would not help in that clarification. Of course I am but one arb so you can also feel free to ignore this :). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Question about salted article

Ah, but do we pepper our articles too? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓

Hi, hope everything is fine and well - Question regarding Article انجم_لکھنؤی, article subject is salted - how should I tag it?! I now PRODed it but it is clearly more a case for CSD but G8 does not fit really ... any advise highly appreciated. CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:08, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford good question. It looks like Bishonen did the salting and so I am pinging them as they are more likely to be familiar with this and might know if there was an AfD which would allow for G4 (and salting) or some other criteria for salting. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:16, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

CommanderWaterford, For a page about an individual person that has been salted, the same user may frequently try to return to try to recreate it, often under related but slightly different titles. In that case, WP:G5 speedy deletion is often a good fix, or opening an SPI on the matter will also sometimes do the trick. In this case, there has been an AfD however! Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anjum Lucknowi (poet) So I would say G4 is also a suitable option. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 21:15, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

CaptainEek, ok, thank you. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:17, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

And just to be a little useful I have gone ahead and salted this new spelling. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:21, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I'd be lying if I said I remembered my original salting. But there's a note on my page from Joseywales1961, who mentions adding the matter to this SPI, whose clerk has requested global locks. Bishonen | tålk 22:01, 17 March 2021 (UTC).

Feedback request: Politics, government, and law request for comment

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I'm not the person who applied the speedy tag. I made a completely different edit (correcting a categorization problem) after the speedy tag was already on it, and the tag was applied by a user named Kinvidia. So you'd have to ask your questions about it of them rather than me. Bearcat (talk) 14:34, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion, Bearcat. Best Barkeep49 (talk) 14:36, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

No worries. I came back to add that I do actually remember a couple of other situations in the past where we really did somehow end up with two different articles about the same person at only slightly different title variations (such as slight differences in name spelling and/or identical names but different disambiguators), covering completely different portions of the same person's career so that there was little to no actual overlap in the information present in either article. Those situations, of course, got sorted out after some outside investigation showed that the claims all pertained to the same person. So it can happen sometimes, and Kinvidia may be able to show some added evidence once they respond. Bearcat (talk) 14:42, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Murder or killing?

Hi Barkeep49,

Since you closed the Shooting_or_Death_or_Killing_or_Murder? RfC and are very familiar with the article title policy for those types of articles and the arguments being made, could you please close these two move requests please?

• Talk:Murder_of_Rachel_Nickell#Requested_move_16_March_2021 and
• Talk:Murder_of_Vincent_Chin#Requested_move_17_March_2021

In both cases, the killers were charged with murder but were later convicted of manslaughter; but the WP:COMMONNAME, used widely in reliable sources and books, even years after the convictions, all use Murder. Thanks! Some1 (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

@Some1 while I closed the RfC, I am happy to leave these requested moves to other qualified closers. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:37, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Two quick questions, is there a rule or policy somewhere for these types of "charged with murder but convicted of manslaughter" article type moves? Does the RfC that you closed still apply in those cases (i.e. use the WP:COMMONNAME)? The answers to those questions will be very helpful to future closers, so they can base their closes on policies and guidelines instead of personal preferences or a vote count. Thanks! Some1 (talk) 15:51, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

That RfC was just from December and so yes the Consensus to use COMMONNAME (which was a strong consensus) certainly still applies. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2021 (UTC)