Talk:Queen of Ghana

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2020

RACIST EXCLUSION OF THE ROYAL STYLE AND TITLE THAT RIGHTFULLY BELONGS TO THE WARRIOR QUEEN YAA ASANTEWAA I OF GHANA.

PLEASE BE ADVISED TO THE PERSON WHO IS TRYING TO ASSERT THAT PLACING THE CORRECT ROYAL TITLE BY QUEEN YAA ASANTEWAA'S NAME IS VANDALISM THAT WE FIND YOUR ACCUSATIONS TO BE BOTH RACIST, AND DISCRIMINATORY. PLEASE STOP FROM DOING THIS OTHERWISE WE WILL MAKE A FORMAL COMPLAINT. THIS PERSON IS MISUSING THE RULES OF WIKIPEDIA. Traditional Honouring Solutions (talk) 11:31, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 12:58, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2021

Queen of Ghana → Monarchy of Ghana – Article should focus on monarchy as a system of government in Ghana, not merely about the title. Consistent with other modern Commonwealth monarchy articles. Peter Ormond 💬 04:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Note 1:

(1) The phrase "Monarchy of Ghana" does appear in some sources.

(2) The monarchy was created on 6 March 1957, but she was granted the separate title on 27 July 1957. Peter Ormond 💬 04:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Note 2: As the date of the creation of monarchy and the date of separate title being given are different, I suggest that the following articles be also moved:

• Queen of Nigeria → Monarchy of Nigeria
• Queen of Sierra Leone → Monarchy of Sierra Leone
• Queen of Tanganyika → Monarchy of Tanganyika
• Queen of Trinidad and Tobago → Monarchy of Trinidad and Tobago
• Queen of Uganda → Monarchy of Uganda
• Queen of Kenya → Monarchy of Kenya
• Queen of Malawi → Monarchy of Malawi
• Queen of Malta → Monarchy of Malta
• Queen of the Gambia → Monarchy of The Gambia
• Queen of Guyana → Monarchy of Guyana
• Queen of Mauritius → Monarchy of Mauritius

Peter Ormond 💬 04:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

• The phrase "Queen of Ghana appears in more sources.
• Strong Oppose. For most of the listed articles the common name is 'Queen of X' and the phrase 'Monarchy of X' is either unknown or ambiguous. Note that the list of sources provided by google includes those about the medieval monarchy of Ghana, before the Commonwealth existed. Note also the talk page section above this one where an editor complains about the inherent racism of using the article title for the white colonial monarchy instead of the native one. Per WP:AT, article titles should be consistent, recognizable and use the common names. Also, note that all moves must be explicitly requested. This move request is malformed because the disambiguation page for Trinidad and the redirect for the thousand-year history of monarchy in Malta are not requested to be moved. There should be notifications at every article listed in the requested move. DrKay (talk) 07:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The sources about the Monarchy of Ghana are about the Commonwealth monarchy; it is clearly visible in the sources. And what about point (2) of Note 1? Ghana became a monarchy on 6 March 1957, but The Queen was not separately titled until 27 July 1957. And the editor above is saying about a monarch, who was of the Ashanti Empire, not Ghana, as it hadn't been formed then. It has been clarified by putting a hatnote on the top of the article. Also, I don't know how to fix this move as you have said, your help will be appreciated. Peter Ormond 💬 09:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Explain then Yansané, p.126, where he talks about the "decentralized monarchy of Ghana, Mali, Osman Dan Fodio and Omar Tall Fulani empires".

Explain then why Bantu refers to a medieval monarchy: "Elmina (i.e. the country till recently called the Gold Coast) had any notable part in the glories of the medieval monarchy of Ghana".

Explain then the inclusion of Kingdoms of Asia, the Middle East, and Africa: An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Ruling Monarchs from Ancient Times to the Present. Please provide a quote from this source.

Explain then the inclusion of Monumenta Juridica (published in 1874). How can a book published in 1874 mention the Commonwealth of Nations or the Queen?

There is only ONE instance of 'monarchy of Ghana' being used in the sense of this article: and that is a single speech given in 1960 by Lord Listowel when he said "By midnight tonight the Monarchy of Ghana will cease and a new Republic will be born". All the other google hits are about other things, i.e. kingdom of Ghana or Ghanaian traditional rulers. DrKay (talk) 10:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Those monarchies were of Ghana's predecessor empires and not explicitly "of Ghana". Nevertheless, the article title could also be changed to Monarchy of Ghana (1957–1960), as The Queen had become monarch of Ghana on 6 March 1957, but wasn't separately titled until 27 July 1957. Peter Ormond 💬 10:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

There's an article on that subject already. DrKay (talk) 10:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

No, there was not. You created that just now. Don't use such tactics to prove me wrong. And you've redirected that to the Dominion article, whereas the correct, appropriate and accurate redirect would be to this article. Peter Ormond 💬 10:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

No. I created the redirect just now. The article has existed for over a decade. Redirects are not articles. DrKay (talk) 10:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The article was of the Dominion, a sovereign state, whereas you redirected the Monarchy article, which is about a system of government. Peter Ormond 💬 10:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Now, that the phrase "Monarchy of Ghana" is there in Listowel's speech, and it existed from 1957 to 1960, and The Queen not being titled separately from Day 1, there should be no objection to moving the article to Monarchy of Ghana (1957–1960). Peter Ormond 💬 10:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The Dominion article covers the system of government, e.g. "The British monarch remained head of state ... The following governors-general held office ... Nkrumah held office as prime minister (and head of government)." Per WP:CONTENTFORK, duplication of articles should be avoided. DrKay (talk) 11:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

That information is relevant to this article. And you are due to comment on the most important fact that the date of creation of the monarchy and the date of separate title being given are different. Maybe because that's the biggest threat to your standpoint? Peter Ormond 💬 14:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

No, I just don't see the need to bludgeon the debate by responding to every unimportant comment. If you insist on a reply, she was queen of Ghana from independence onwards. She became queen of the dominion on 6 March 1957. DrKay (talk) 14:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

That's not an unimportant comment. Although, she was the monarch from independence, she was not titled separately until 27 July 1957. Peter Ormond 💬 14:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)