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Lord & Taylor... again.

Well, only two days after semi-protection was removed from Lord & Taylor, our autistic editor (141.150.233.178 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)) is at it again. In the past month he has also been playing around with various mall articles using different IPs (from friends' houses maybe?) but those other IPs haven't worked up to level 4 warnings as of yet. --Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 18:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Semiprotecting again for 7 days, blocking the IPs. Thanks for the message! Sandstein 20:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Oops! I didn't realize that other editors had split off the List of Lord & Taylor locations into a separate article. Our friendly autist is using another IP (71.168.146.181 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)) and raising merry heck there— no doubt that it's him, the editing pattern is identical. That IP is already up to level 4 warning now due to previous edits of mall pages regarding, you guessed it, Lord & Taylor. I'll notify DragonflySixtyseven and ask that she he write to this kid's mom again and ask that he be brought under control.--Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 21:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Lord & Taylor locations is now also semiprotected for a month. I'll block this other IP on request in case of any further vandalism. Too bad for the kid, but we are not his playground. Sandstein 22:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

He's edited Lord & Taylor into the Southpark Mall (Colonial Heights, Virginia) using 71.168.146.181 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) after a final warning on that IP's talk page. I know it's late over there, but if you wouldn't mind... :-)--Elipongo ^{(Talk|contribs)} 23:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Help over at CAT:CSD

Hi, and congrats on your promotion! Per this discussion, I'm dropping a friendly note to some of the recently-promoted admins requesting help with speedy deletions. I am not an administrator, so if you don't feel comfortable diving into deletions - or if you need more info - please don't come to me, but I'm sure that Cyde Weys would be happy to guide you if you want to help. Any help is great, but I'm sure that Cyde and others would deeply appreciate it if you could put the page on your watchlist and do a bit of work there on a regular basis? Maybe weekly? Thanks in advance! Oh and if you're already working away on CSD please disregard this message; it's not meant as a slight against any hard work you're already doing. Cheers! Anchoress 18:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and please help...

A short time ago, you blocked User:VictorO for disruptive editing on Prem Rawat. I don't want to tire you with the details, but here's the short version. A few editors have advised that the lead to that article be rewritten, I rewrote it, and a small cabal of readers have opposed the rewrite (Here's the long version. They've been unable to justify their complaints or gain a consensus in their favor, and have resorted to edit warring. Lo and behold, rather than hit a WP:3RR violation, User:VictorO returns to the scene just in the nick of time to revert on their behalf! This strikes me as very odd. Can you please help? I've already filed a sockpuppet report on this user, which you can find on his talk page. I don't want to edit war, but this is clearly foul play. Mael-Num 00:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello. I echo Jossi's advice at Talk:Prem_Rawat: this is a content dispute, work on the talk page to get consensus. There's no immediately obvious evidence of foul play, and under WP:AGF, it is probably not helpful to make such allegations against numerous users, including one administrator. My advice would be to help deescalate the situation by re-starting constructive discussion on the talk page, or to get other editors to weigh in, such as via WP:3O. Sandstein 06:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

autoblock

I am indeed still blocked when I go to my café! Sdedeo (tips) 16:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay... but right now you're not, it seems, so there's no need for an unblock template. You might want to ask Raul, but I guess that café's IP will remain rangeblocked until it's no longer likely to be used by the vandal. Sandstein 16:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

If I only add the unblock template during the hours I am at the café, I will never get unblocked. It's been days, and Raul has not responded! Sdedeo (tips) 16:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Then you might want to contact another admin who's more proficient in handling range blocks than I am and see whether they can help you out - see the recent blocks log for candidates. An unblock template is only appropriate if you are actually blocked, or admins will get confused. But also consider just editing Wikipedia from somewhere else until the rangeblock expires. Sandstein 16:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Halo4life

BTW you gave a third warning to this guy for a second offence (both reverters had already warned him) when he probably didn't see any warning after the first offence which was very close in timing to the second.

Worth checking a users edit history to avoid inadvertently WP:BITE but I cannot paw-point as I am not perfect at that myself. --BozMo talk 17:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I did check the history, and considered whether to just indefblock Halo4life (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) as a vandalism-only account: all two of his edits were vandalism. A level 4 warning, even if redundant to previous ones, appeared appropriate in this case. I don't think BITE is even remotely a concern with users who have yet to make one good faith edit. I'm not about to undo your unblock after the perfectly appropriate block he got for his third vandal edit, but I can assure you I will indefblock this account if his fourth edit is also vandalism. Sandstein 17:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I have clearly heard your message. --BozMo talk 22:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Light Current

For this severe personal attack, you are blocked for a week. Sandstein 20:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Geee thanks. Just what I needed!--Light current 20:32, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Sandstein, did you see the comment from Anchoress that eventually led to that comment? Thatcher131 20:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No, I can't immediately find it. Although I can't imagine any edit to which his comment was a legitimate reaction, I'm willing to reconsider if this is/was some sort of bona fide misunderstanding or jest. Sandstein 20:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Anchoress crossed the line with this amateur psychiatric diagnosis, which she removed a few minutes later. Light Current was warned not to pursue the matter User_talk:Anchoress#Er_over_the_top, after which he made his "no you drop" remark to Hipocrite, but it would be nice to see some sort of apology from Anchoress as well, and a week seem out of proportion unless the Anchoress is going to get something as well. Thatcher131 20:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I er, don't mean to butt in, but LC's remark was clearly directed at me - I was the one that told Anchoress in no uncertain terms that her comment was over the line (her remark was over the line - I advised her to remove it, and she did.) I have been in unrelated disputes with LC before and have learned by now to tune him out. I don't care if you leave him blocked or unblock him. I do not feel threatened by him at all, and I don't care if he's incivil to me, because I can't see his comments as a result of high quality User:JzG/Troll-B-Gon. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

After EC: it would be appropriate for Anchoress to apologize, however. I'll suggest it. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I see; thanks, all, for the comments. I'm inclined to believe that Anchoress' comment on ANI was made in good faith, even though it was offensive, and as she retracted it, I see no need for sanctions, especially if an apology ensues. Given that personal attacks are never justified, death wishes even less so, and that Light Current then attacked another user, and not Anchoress who had offended him, my assessment of his edit does not change. I'll not object if you feel it necessary to shorten the block, though. Sandstein 20:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

This is where I praise the lord that my periods of periodic dramatic incivility keep me from ever having access to admin tools. Good luck, guys! Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your creditable, patient intervention in this matter. It appears Anchoress has indeed apologised. Sandstein 21:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not comfortable with a full week for Light Current as he was arguably provoked, but taking it as far as he did was his choice and he certainly has a history of pushing problems two steps farther than necessary. I'll leave it to your judgement. Thatcher131 21:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Here's a couple cents worth of opinion. A week is a long block, but the remark was unacceptable and this is a pattern of recurring behavior. He did a bit of namecalling that caught my attention recently, but I said nothing to him directly about it. A few folks have noticed that he appears to thrive on attention (positive or negative attention - doesn't seem to matter to him), so perhaps ignoring him whenever possible is the best thing to do. That said, it's understandable to me why someone unfamiliar with him would block on sight for that remark. And, of course, it's difficult to ignore behavior that's actually disruptive. As for the community patience issue, maybe someone could explain to him what this means once more before it comes to that. Friday (talk) 21:14, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, too, for these comments. In my humble opinion, we have better things to do than to continue to waste our time with what appears to be a never-ending series of disruptions. If someone doesn't get WP:NPA with that kind of record, I'm not optimistic they ever will. But then I am a pessimist. Sandstein 21:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Wikipedia talk:Notability (news)

On the Wikipedia talk page for Wikipedia :Notability you expressed some opinions about whether things covered by news media should be entitled to Wikipedia articles for having met the criteria of multiple coverage in reliable independent sources I have created a draft of a proposed guideline Wikipedia talk:Notability (news) looking at the question of whether "newsworty" equals "encyclopedic." Your input is welcome. Thanks. Edison 01:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikinfo

Hi. I'm aware of the rules on canvassing, so you're going to be the only person I ask to comment on this. I nominated Wikinfo for deletion (for the third time) here and it seems to be going the same way as the first two. I basically want a sanity check. To me, this article fails core policy and guidelines, and if this wasn't connected to Wikipedia there wouldn't be the slightest possibility of it being kept; consequently, I think keeping it shows absurd double-standards. As you were one of the people advocating deletion last time, do you still feel the same way? Or am I so out-of-touch with the current deletion process that I should just stay away from the whole area? I would really appreciate your response. Thanks. Trebor 13:07, 3 February 2007 (UTC)