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Action Figures

I stumbled upon WWE Unmatched Fury Action Figures, WCW Galoob Action Figures, WWF Hasbro Action Figures and Wrestling Superstars today. What is the guideline for notability here? Should we delete some? - DrWarpMind (talk) 03:49, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Last time it was discussed, it came down to whether the figures had been mentioned by an independent media source. The Jakks figures had not, so the article was deleted. I'm sure I've read about the Hasbro figures, so I think that, at the very least, that article should be kept. GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I have several magazines at my home which mention, specifically, JAKKS wrestling figures and have articles on their new lines of action figures and price guides and photoes. I say they are notable and just need to be sourced. These are not wrestling magazines btw. --Naha|^(talk) 18:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Bolding in PPV articles

Seriously, with all this talk about conscious being needed to change things, how the hell did we allow the bolding of all PPV articles to be removed due to the opinions of ONE EDITOR!?!?! Mshake3 (talk) 14:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

100% with you. I liked the bolding better. iMatthew 2008 14:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it was much easier to read bolded. - DrWarpMind (talk) 14:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Apparently it was because of MoS or something like that.--TrUCo-X 14:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

MOS:BOLD states: Use italics, not boldface, for emphasis in article text. Use boldface in the remainder of the article only for a few special uses:

• Table headers
• Definition lists (example: David E. Kelley)
• Volume numbers of journal articles, in some bibliographic formats

Hope that makes it clearer. Nikki311 20:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree entirely with Nikki. Policy goes over a three/four person concensus in any sense. D.M.N. (talk) 21:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Well thank you for finally mentioning that. In the future, could you list the policy before you mass change dozens of articles? Mshake3 (talk) 23:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

OK. BTW, I was changing the articles in good faith so please don't take it the wrong way. It seems as though you have a problem with the changes despite the fact it goes against Wikipedia policy. D.M.N. (talk) 17:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So what's the resolution (bare with me, Im kinda slow on this)TrUCo-X 21:19, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I say we re-bold everything. It's so much easier to read. CTUnick 14 April 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 22:56, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

We can't. It goes against the MoS. Nikki311 23:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

We need to follow the MoS folks. --Naha|^(talk) 18:12, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Question

What do you guys think about "Category:WWE Kings of The Ring"?. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 17:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Do we have one for Royal Rumble winners? If yes then yes to KOTR, if no then we need RR and KOTR. (edit) Looking at it, it is missing the pre-1993 winners. Darrenhusted (talk) 12:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I dont think so, its kinda cruft, its like adding a category for list of MiTB winners.--~SRS~ 14:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

So do we keep it or put it up for deletion? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 18:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I say AfD it, but see what others think of it first.--~SRS~ 20:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)--~SRS~ 20:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess we'll wait. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems a bit crufty to me. If we allow this, where do we draw the line? Royal Rumble is slightly more important, so it would need one too. Things could snowball from there. - DrWarpMind (talk) 03:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to no on King of the Ring winners, as well as Royal Rumble winner categories. Both appear to be forms of overcategorization. RobJ1981 (talk) 05:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Rob, adding these categories will be pointless. So, should we have the category up for deletion? --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 23:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Delete it - DrWarpMind (talk) 20:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've placed it for deletion, see here. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:57, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

King of the Ring

Is there some way we can shorten the article, because the KoR has had so many tournaments and the article is super long, is there a solution we can propose to shorten it, or make it similar to the Royal Rumble page?--~SRS~ 01:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, we can move the PPV's into their own articles, to be expanded (in the PPV expansion). iMatthew 2008 01:58, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

And what would we do with just he tournament based ones?--~SRS~ 02:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Leave them on the page. iMatthew 2008 02:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Make's sense. But I will wait for more opinions.--~SRS~ 02:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

You mean like WWE Saturday Night's Main Event results? --13 of Diamonds (talk) 20:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well that would work, because the article is just super long.~SRS~ 21:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we could move all the individual PPV results into their own pages eventually and on the main page keep all of the tournaments that have been held, regardless of them being at a PPV or not. If the article reads too long then it might be wise to just show the brackets as they contain all the relevent information (times, methods of win). Tony2Times (talk) 22:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

WrestleMania XXIV - Fully-Protected

Due to the edit-warring over the past few weeks to do with the "Career Threatening match" sub-title in the article, I requested for the article to be fully-protected. The protection has been granted for a full week, by which time hopefully we should of come for consensus. My view is that it should be noted in both the "Results" section and within the lead, with the sub-title, however some editors disagree. Please discuss underneath, so we can come to a consensus that suits everybody. Regards, D.M.N. (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree: lead and results section. The match was promoted and advertised as career threatening more than enough times. Perhaps the other Flair PPV matches should be the same, so it's consistent? Flair won those matches, however that doesn't mean we should ignore it due to the wins. It was still promoted and announced as career threatening. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:42, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe that the Career Threatning Match name should not be included, the subtitle tells you that it was a retirement match, but if its necessary put something in another subtitle where it should read that it was promoted as a Career Threatning match. But including both would be just redundant.--~SRS~ 20:47, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

All other match names are listed in both the lead and the results section. The article should be consistent. It was promoted as (and is) a career threatening match. WWE and most wrestling companies put new names on matches. Belfast Brawl (also on the article) is just a street fight, which is also a hardcore match. I don't see anyone fighting for a line such as "promoted as Belfast Brawl, but it was just a hardcore match". Why is this match name any different from that one? RobJ1981 (talk) 20:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

A possible argument could be that the match is conducted in the same way as a normal match and the retirement is just something that was on the line. There have been matches in the past where a retirement clause was added and no change was added to the listing in the Results. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

In the lead, how about "in what was billed as a "Career Threatening Match" and in the results, just include in a bullet point: "The match was billed as a 'Career Threatening Match'. Per the pre-match stipulation, Flair was forced to retire." Then we can all move on with our lives and this might escape Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars, if it's not there already (and we all know that WP:PW is already over-represented on that page). GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Gary for agreeing with part of my point, Amen! P.S. This is sort of a lame war. We dont need More!~SRS~ 21:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Gary, we're already on WP:LAME, under this section and this section. D.M.N. (talk) 21:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

And this section. –LAX 22:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

And here (Vic Grimes). GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Not to mention four times here. GaryColemanFan (talk) 22:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

We can all agree that a Belfast Brawl is just a fancy name for a No DQ match, right? That's why Hardcore Wrestling is linked to in the article. It's an accurate description of the match in question. Now look here. According to what we have, a retirement match is where the loser must retire, HOWEVER, the stipulation can apply to only one of the wrestlers. That too sounds like an accurate description of the match in question. So, just like Belfast Brawl is linked to Hardcore Wrestling, a Career Threatening Match should be linked to Retirement Match. Mshake3 (talk) 04:27, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Mshake is right. I don't see why people are making such a big deal about linking it. I recall arguments in the past, where people claimed it wasn't a real retirement match because only one careeer was on the line. In response to the lame edit wars comments: it's not a big deal. I'm sure nearly every subject has had them at some point. RobJ1981 (talk) 04:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

With Belfast Brawl, doesn't the name seem unnecesary? It doesn't mean anything and the use of all these different names makes it confusing and not easy to understand. (perhaps even in-universe?) While the link does clarify that, it's a nuisance to a casual reader and the inclusion of the name doesn't further their (or even wrestling fans') knowledge of the match. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 08:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Then you clarify the backdrop of the story earlier in the article. We're not suppost to attempt to describe the complete and entire story of the PPV in just the match section. Mshake3 (talk) 16:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I take it that the continued arguing about such a trivial matter means that the involved parties are determined to take this to WP:LAME and possibly beyond. It's sad that we're about to get our ninth entry on that page. Wouldn't it be more productive to focus on improving one of our 3,532 other articles? This seriously needs to go to Wikipedia:Third opinion or Wikipedia:Dispute resolution so that everybody can get one with their lives. GaryColemanFan (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

NEVER! Mshake3 (talk) 18:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

There you go guys your main supporter is a second grader. In all honesty while this isnt a huge deal if its gonna be in the wrestlemania article that it was a career threatening match then we have to go back and put it in to every article with Flair since November. But technically it was not a career threatening match as had Shawn lost nothing would have happened.LifeStroke420 (talk) 19:06, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

All three of them, right? ;) Mshake3 (talk) 23:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Even if Shawn hadn't won: it was still a career threatening match, period. Seeing as how WWE announced and promoted it like that, it's incorrect to just ignore it. If I remember right: Flair has a grand total of 3 career threatening matches for PPVs. Adding it to the other events (Royal Rumble, No Way Out) isn't a problem. Also, calling someone a second grader isn't helpful to the discussion. In response to 13 of Diamonds comment: WWE promoted it as Belfast Brawl, how is it confusing? We link the match to hardcore match, and that explains it to people that don't watch WWE much. Why should we ignore how WWE promoted things? As I've stated before (and this is pretty common knowledge): companies rename matches all the time. But we shouldn't just dumb down the article, because Belfast Brawl is just a hardcore match (as one of many examples). RobJ1981 (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm just wondering if it's intuitive enough. (WP:EGG) --13 of Diamonds (talk) 00:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

A full description in the event section will prevent any of those issues. Mshake3 (talk) 03:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

WrestleMania XXIV needs to be unlocked at some point folks. Mshake3 (talk) 04:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The article is only protected for a week. Besides, I'd like a further comment for Lifestroke, otherwise my fear is he'll go on another revert spree concerning the match name. D.M.N. (talk) 10:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd like a comment from you myself, since you seem to keep going both ways on this. Mshake3 (talk) 14:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I stated my view at the start. Anyway just to re-iterate: IMO, it should be noted in both the "Results" section and within the lead, with the sub-title. D.M.N. (talk) 16:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with DMN. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Dirtsheet Awards

Do we really need to have awards on articles that were issued by a dirtsheet? Pro Wrestling Insider is a dirtsheet, and we don't use dirtsheets. Killswitch Engage (talk) 05:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The PWI awards are from Pro Wrestling Illustrated, not Pro Wrestling Insider. GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

We don't use dirtsheets? Hmm. I sense another debate coming from this.

and now for the definition of "dirtsheet": whatever site/magazine "Contributor X" doesn't like - I've been here on this road before and I just don't care to go down it again. MPJ-DK (talk) 09:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Wrong. A dirtsheet is whatever magazine that p[resents what they beleive to be factual information, when in reality, it is rumour. We are not permitted to use dirtsheets as a source, so therfore, I beleive that these awards should be deemed not notable. Killswitch Engage (talk) 16:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you making the claim that Pro Wrestling Illustrated is a dirtsheet, or Pro Wrestling Insider? GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Just because you say something is a "dirtsheet", doesn't make it so. PWI has long been respected in the industry, with wrestlers and other personnel taking cues from it and acknowledging awards from it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I have to ask though. Who decided that we don't use "dirtsheets" anyway? Mshake3 (talk) 04:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

and who decides which sites are or are not dirtsheets?? the definition seems a bit arbitrary and up to personal interpretation for me to take any "rule" serious.MPJ-DK (talk) 17:21, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

King of the Mountain

Articles to merge: King of the Mountain match to Ladder match
I have added the results for the KOTM matches to the TNA Ladder Match table and reordered the match numbers - can someone double check that this is what was required, and if not revert to how it should be? --Apsouthern (talk) 09:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

YOu did a pretty good job on merging the articles, but I am skeptical on the merge as the King of the Mountain match is like the Money in the Bank and should have its own article, but on the other hand it doesn't have that much information to make it into an expanded article like the MiTB article.--~SRS~ 11:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Why do we need lists of results?«»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd say that we don't. DrWarpMind (talk) 01:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

If this goes, then so does Money in the Bank. Mshake3 (talk) 03:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup I agree. Money in the Bank could easily be merged into ladder. RobJ1981 (talk) 03:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

IDK, MitB has more notability and content for its own article IMO.--~SRS~ 04:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)--~SRS~ 04:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's do a quick comparision. Both have had 4 total matches. Money in the Bank has all the times people cashed in (as well as defenses of the MITB title), but so what? That information could be listed on ladder or the match types page, or just removed (as it falls under listcruft in my view). If you look at ladder: it lists nearly every ladder match WWE and TNA has done. Am I missing something, since when did match type articles turn into a trivia fest? I'm not so sure it's even notable to list every match ever. Assuming all are notable is a bit wrong in my view. It's a well known speciality match for wrestling, but listing them all seems like a bit of clutter to me. Discussing the key matches is necessary, but a full list isn't. RobJ1981 (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Rob and Mshake. MITB can easily be merged, it has the same amount of notability as KOTM does in TNA. iMatthew 2008 16:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright if you do that, the Ladder match article will be a horrible mess, look at it now its horrible, Im starting to think that listing every ladder match is cruft..~SRS~ 16:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

If it becomes a mess, we clean it up. If anyone wants to move the current versions of Money in the Bank and King of the Mountain to the wrestling wiki, feel free. RobJ1981 (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

TNA World Beer Drinking Championship

Should this page exist? DrWarpMind (talk) 13:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

It has already been speedily deleted a bunch of times at World Beer Drinking Championship for not indicating notability. Nikki311 14:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I say speedy.--~SRS~ 14:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deleted by the best admin in this project. :D D.M.N. (talk) 15:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Canadian Independents

I love how little info there is on the Canadian Independent scene, yet every american indy wrestler and their dog gets an article. I call for more effort put into the Canadian scene, which I will be attempting to do. I have already started to do research into Monster Pro Wrestling and Prairie Wrestling Alliance, with articles on their competitors also being researched. I fully expect to be vetoed because it's Canadian content, but I don't care. Killswitch Engage (talk) 16:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I've never seen any indication of anti-Canadian bias from this project. Information about Canadian wrestlers and promotions is usually harder to get, and I think the only reason more pages haven't been created is that nobody has felt knowledgeable enough to write the articles. If you can get third-party information proving their notability and put it together to form a well-referenced article, I can't imagine that anybody would object to creating the pages. In fact, two of the articles that this project has recently had promoted to Good Article status are about Canadian wrestlers. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:09, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I know there are quite a few of our Good Articles that are about Canadians (Trish Stratus for one). I also know that I've expanded a bunch of stubs on Canadian wrestlers lately, like T.J. Wilson. Like Gary said, the best thing to do is to get some news sources and write them yourself. I use SLAM! Wrestling all the time for my sources, and since it is a Canadian news site, they cover all sorts of Canadian wrestlers, promotions, and events. They even have a Canadian Hall of Fame. Nikki311 21:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but I think this project just happens to have a lot of people from the USA who belong to it, and being from the USA, we are (typically) the most familiar with Wrestling in the USA. I know that is the case for me. I'd love to see more articles about Wrestling in other countries but it just isn't my area of expertise, and I don't really feel comfortable adding much information to articles on things I know nothing about. I don't mind editing them for grammar or spelling or puncuation ..but, I mean ..thats just how it is. Its not that any of us are "anti Canadian" or "anti country x", we just tend to edit articles on things we know about. And lets face it, the PW industry is bigger in the USA than any other country, so there will naturally be a larger fan base in the USA and thus more articles about PW in the USA. Any wrestling federation or wrestler or whatever that is notable enough to warrant their own article, should have one. It has nothing to do with what country they are from. It just so happens that if wrestling as a whole isn't as big of a deal in country-x, their minor promotions/wrestlers are less likely to meet notability guidelines due to lack of exposure etc. There are definitely more articles out there that are notable and that can be expanded ...I just wanted to clarify the likely reasons why there are not more articles about PW in other countries. Cheers, --Naha|^(talk) 22:42, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, MPW has a local TV deal, with Canadian indy legend Massive Damage as their headliner. I'm trying to find the proper info, but it's proving difficult as their site isn't really useful right now. Sorry, fo the Canada thing, I'm just really patriotic and would like to see some more Canadian wrestling related articles. Killswitch Engage (talk) 06:21, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Another thing that would be very useful is some help with the current articles on Canadian wrestlers. The list of articles can be seen at Category:Canadian professional wrestlers. There are a few stub-class articles there, and many more could use expansion and sourcing. If you're able to help there, it would be appreciated. And like Nikki said, http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/hallofame.html is a great resource for articles about Canadian wrestlers and wrestlers with ties to Canada. GaryColemanFan (talk) 20:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Backlog of our GAN's

More than 40% of the articles at GAN (under the sports section) are from this project and alot of them are not getting reviewed, ideas to clear this up?--~SRS~ 20:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The only thing we can do is review other articles. Keep reviewing other articles, then ask the person who nominated that article to review a wrestling article. iMatthew 2008 20:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Lets, this project, get some other reviews done. Do we have any volunteers to review 2006 ACC Championship Game, My Life With Master, Ricky Henderson, Howmet TX? iMatthew 2008 20:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Almost all of my editing lately has been GA reviews. If I get a chance over the weekend, I'll probably do Howmet TX unless someone wants to do it sooner. GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know why people always bring this up. They'll get reviewed eventually....just be patient and review a few articles to get rid of the backlog in front of them. Nikki311 20:58, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

And when reviewing, add a request that the nominator also review an article (just add {{subst:User:DHMO/GAP}}, and the template will take care of it for you). GaryColemanFan (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I just put the two oldest articles on the page on hold, so that might help somewhat. Nikki311 21:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

COTW

The new COTW's should be chosen tomorrow, but there is currently a four way tie for first place. Please go vote if you have not yet, to try and break this tie. iMatthew 2008 23:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Nope. It's only been a week, so the next COTW will be chosen next Sunday. Nikki311 23:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. iMatthew 2008 00:27, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

And I updated the "Upcoming" table weeks ago to show the correct dates. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Unforgiven (2006) and Royal Rumble (2005)

Are going to be nominated for GA in one week by ThinkBlue and LAX respectively. iMatthew 2008 12:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Judgment Day (2005) and The Great American Bash (2007)

Again, will be nominated for GA in one week by ThinkBlue and LAX respectively. iMatthew 2008 17:05, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

That won't go down very well at WP:GAN if this project nominates four articles within the space of 24 hours, will it? D.M.N. (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've seen a user nominate 6 articles at once, and there were no complaints. iMatthew 2008 17:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The project already went through a nominating spree, and those articles haven't been dealt with yet. I agree that it would be a good idea to wait until the list is shortened before we add to it. GaryColemanFan (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

What if we nominate two on Thursday and two on Saturday, to spread it out. iMatthew 2008 18:41, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

That was my thing, I wanted to wait until our PW articles get reviewed, before nominating. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:03, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

To randomly jump into the conversation here, I would say wait. We currently have 4 articles in the top ten unreviewed articles backlog over there, if you look here and there's no point in adding to it yet, IMO. ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 00:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Guys, remember this is in one week. If those articles are not reviewed/removed in one week, then we have an issue. iMatthew 2008 00:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Online Onslaught

The website OnlineOnslaught.com, which was used for sourcing on a number of articles, went down about a month ago. As of this weekend it's back with the new url oowrestling.com. The full archives are there with the new root url. I don't know how to make a bot to change links in existing articles, but if someone does feel free.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I've made a post at WP:VPT to see if a bot deals with these type of things. D.M.N. (talk) 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking at the discussion, I dont think they will do it for us..--~SRS~ 04:24, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed all of the broken links, as far as article namespace is concern. –LAX 04:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

PPV Templates

I created a new PPV template that merges all of the individual PPV templates. You can see it here. There are two templates. The top shows the years aligned, and the bottom just does not. Which one should we use, or should we just keep the individual ones we have now? iMatthew 2008 15:39, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd prefer to keep the individual ones. You have BTW missed out December to Dismember (2006), along with all of the In Your House PPV's, and also the England pay-per-views (Rebellion, Insurrextion) etc. D.M.N. (talk) 16:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

This is supposed to just be the current PPVS. I think it would be neater and more organized to add this to the current PPV's instead of having all of these individual ones. iMatthew 2008 16:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm with DMN, no offense Matt, but the individual ones makes it look neater. Your version is long and kinda looks messy.--~SRS~ 17:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Let me better phrase what I meant, now with this new templates, what are we going to do with the "Former" PPVS?--~SRS~ 19:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

I like the top one. It makes it easier to find the event in question. Mshake3 (talk) 18:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

That's what I was thinking, Mshake. Truco, we can keep the former PPV's in the template they are currently in, right under the current PPV template. We can make the former PPV template show/hide as well. iMatthew 2008 19:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

My only concern is that over time, the template might get too long (horizontally) and might look scrunched up in most browsers. Nikki311 19:55, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

That is what I was also thinking.~SRS~ 20:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

We have a year or two before that would happen, and if it did, we could clean up the template then. iMatthew 2008 20:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Then use the YY format. And if it becomes too long years from now, then we'll worry about it years from now. Mshake3 (talk) 20:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

This format should be fine, and exactly if it becomes to long then, we can change it then, but for now I feel this is the better way to go. iMatthew 2008 20:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

In what situations would this template be helpful? --13 of Diamonds (talk) 22:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

This template is more neat and organized than the current ones. As Mshake said above, it makes it easier to find the event in question. If you are reading Cyber Sunday 2007, and it meantions New Years Revolution 2007, it's a quicker way to find NYR 2007. You get what I'm saying? iMatthew 2008 22:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Say I was reading the 2004 Royal Rumble article and I wanted to read the 2004 Bad Blood article? If you're only listing events that occur in 2008, your listing of years before that would be incomplete. --13 of Diamonds (talk) 22:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

That is true, maybe I can create a similar template for the former PPV's. I'll try something out. iMatthew 2008 22:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps what you are intending to do is an extension of the "Pay-per-view chronology" in the infobox? Something like a template for every year or a template with links to the 10 events before and after? If you're intending to provide a link to every ppv ever in a template, that's unnecessary. (you'll end up with this) --13 of Diamonds (talk) 02:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Ring of Honor Events

Is it necessary to list every event they've ever had? RobJ1981 (talk) 17:35, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Well ROH works differently then WWE and TNA, they are more like UFC, they have different shows like once or twice a month, so it will be like List of UFC events.--~SRS~ 17:46, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

A majority of ROH shows are house shows with no notability shown. The UFC list is PPV events and Ultimate Fighter finales. If UFC did house shows, I highly doubt they would be listed. A different touring schedule doesn't justify listcruft/clutter. RobJ1981 (talk) 06:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm considering putting it in AFD, as the list doesn't show notability. Perhaps a rename to List of Ring of Honor pay per views is necessary. RobJ1981 (talk) 04:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

World Wrestling Professionals

As some of you know, the previous AfD's for the superstars of this non-notable organization did not go so well. I have decided to just AfD the superstars one by one. Starting with:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PJ Black (wrestler) (2nd nomination)
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Lizard (wrestler) (2nd nomination)

--- iMatthew 2008 17:59, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

And, I've placed "Category:WWE Kings of The Ring" up for deletion, see here. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 21:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Sub Projects for this project?

Have you guys ever considered like a task force on the side for this project, like other projects have task forces for other major material. Mayby a task force for PPVs?--~SRS~ 23:23, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

You don't think that the PPV Expansion is already a task force for PPVs? Nikki311 23:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Well its not like other task forces, where there are members to the task force, the task force is labeled The ____ Task Force, their are separate templates for talk pages of articles that fall within the Task Force, like so.--~SRS~ 23:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Victoria Crawford

This article, which appears to have been deleted five times in the past (see the article's talk page), has been re-created. The only sources used are Obsessed with Wrestling (blacklisted) and Crawford's "official fansite". She seems to have accomplished a little since the previous deletion, but I am unsure if she meets notability requirements. Crawford was listed on the "Requested articles" page, and I think the article would be fine if it had proper sources (she has wrestled for OVW and FCW and held the OVW Women's Championship). Could someone who is familiar with this sort of thing help out? GaryColemanFan (talk) 23:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

There's some info. on her on WWE.com --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I can't find it. GaryColemanFan (talk) 00:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Here's the Google search I did. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:11, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Finally!

Jeff Hardy has passed it's GA nomination. Thanks to everyone who helped! iMatthew 2008 11:10, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Matt Hardy just passed it's GA review! Yes!! iMatthew 2008 10:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

We have TfD's

Just in case you guys haven't noticed, two of our templates are up for deletion..Template:Future PW and Template:Current PW, where people are stating that it is exact duplicates of Template:Future sport and Template:Current Sport. Their TfD's can be found here and here. --~SRS~ 19:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It the second template used during PPVs? Darrenhusted (talk) 11:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Yea it is.~SRS~ 14:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

That explains why it is not currently on any pages. Darrenhusted (talk) 15:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Survivor Series (2005)

Instead of nominating The Great American Bash (2007), I am going to nominate Survivor Series (2005) for GA status in one week, that is if there are no objections. –LAX 20:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Does anybody object of my doing for nominating Backlash (2006) at the Good article nomination? Zenlax ^{T C S} 18:31, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Gimmick PPVs

I was wondering if it'd be interesting to note, or too much information, to note on the List of [Promotion] PPVs pages any articles that have gimmicks or themes and what those themes involve ie LockDown being all cage matches, One Night Stand being hardcore rules etc. Tony2Times (talk) 22:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

That wouldn't work well, as to others PPV's and stuff. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 00:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

WWE Roster

As this discussion does not seem to be going anywhere, and it would be better if the community of Pro Wrestling would reach a consensus on this. On the World Wrestling Entertainment roster page, the page is called "WWE Roster", the wrestlers and other on air talent as stated by WWE's roster pages. But the Corporate Management and Other Personnel, IMO, should not belong on the page. If they are too belong, then we should rename the article to World Wrestling Entertainment employees. Comments?--~SRS~ 20:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Another problem among the article is the unassigned talent, the developmental roster, the notes written beside a wrestler. These are unsourced, and if they are they are sourced with "dirt sheet" websites, what can we do about this?--~SRS~ 20:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

My third problem with the article is that it has always blurred the line between kayfabe and real life. Like mentioning that Shawn Michaels also is allowed to appear on Smackdown because of his feud with Batista. Really, in real life, wwe can have anyone appear anywhere, whenever. Everytime i bring this up, I get shot down. LessThanClippers 21:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Well its is how they operate, so in the lead we could mention the brand extension and exceptions.~SRS~ 21:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

It's poorly titled, to boot. Titles of lists should start with "List of". — Gwalla | Talk 22:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Current World Wrestling Entertainment employees iMatthew 2008 22:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Well if it were all to remain then, I guess List of Current World Wrestling Entertainment employees is the way to go, but lets hear for other opinions.~SRS~ 23:19, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

How is it poorly titled? Didn't we recently move all of the "list of ____ moves in professional wrestling" articles and the like to not include "list of?" I fail to see why we'd want to move the roster article. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 00:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The move articles are about particular moves (such as the suplex). They contain lists, but they are not stand-alone lists. This is, and the guideline for stand-alone lists is that their titles always start with "List of" (unless they are a more specific type of list, like a glossary or timeline, in which case it'd be "Glossary of..." or "Timeline of..."). — Gwalla | Talk 15:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

My bad I meant that, the thing is, "roster" literally means on air talent, but we have corporate management, unassigned talent, road agents, creative team members, producers. That is not part of the roster, so if we dont remove it, we should just rename it.~SRS~ 01:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, but would "list of" really need to be added? Why not just "Current World Wrestling Entertainment employees?" Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

No, its gonna be titled "Current World Wrestling Entertainment employees", thats why I strike throught "list of" above.~SRS~ 14:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The Wrestling Classic - Pay Per View name vs. Tournament Name

If you watch this youtube video of the countdown for this show... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbxfjpovhXo it seems very clear to me that the name of the Pay Per View was WrestleVision, and that The Wrestling Classic was the name of the Tournament held on the Pay Per View. Vince McMahon states it implicitly. I think this article should be renamed or redirected to reflect as such. Yagobo79 (talk) 05:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I think this point is further illustrated by the VHS cover for the event http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WrestleVisionVHS.jpg. Yagobo79 (talk) 05:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

List of WWE pay-per-view events

I put the table format for the events, but I feel its Table Cruft, how do people feel about reverting it back to a list format?--~SRS~ 14:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of PPV's, Vengeance '05 has passed GA. --  ThinkBlue  (Hit BLUE) 19:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Some of the tables have multiple rows and columns, so a table is appropriate. Nikki311 20:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter Help

Can someone please explain why I Get 2-3 copies of the same newsletter each week? Something is wrong with the bot or something. Also, check my message (on an IP) on Mr Kennedy's talk page Sexy Sea Bassist 16:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

You don't get two/three copies each week. It seems that the bot messed up while posting to your talkpage for this particular week. D.M.N. (talk) 16:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

No, It does that every week. Look at last week's and it has three. I Also have cleared up a few. Sexy Sea Bassist 16:22, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Cause your name is on the Members list twice; once as User:Jordan Payne, and the other as User:Straight Edge PXK. Since one redirects to the other, you get 2 newsletters. Remove the redirect from the members list, and problem solved. ;) ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 16:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Correction, I was on 3 times, one as PayneXKiller, one as Jordan Payne, and one as Straight Edge PXK. Thanks for the clear up though. Sexy Sea Bassist 16:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

CM Punk

Just so peeps know, CM Punk faces Edge on SD (I'm watching UK Airing) so those bits on his article about losing MITB to Edge may be true (Please god no, not again.) I personally don't like it because a) Punk would get bumped down to midcard again (If you count ECW as having a top card) and b) Edge doesnt need another title shot or MITB reign. But hey, our job is to provide the info so my shoot talking isnt relevant. Sexy Sea Bassist 21:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

oops forgot to say, my intention was to say lookout for spoiler posters Sexy Sea Bassist 21:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)