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Please someone add the references for this article. We don't know by what name these battles are mentioned in reliable English language literature. Probably Battle(s) of Pressburg, or Battles of Posonium? Squash Racket (talk) 05:34, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The name of Bratislava in a Frankish chronicle was Brezalauspurc, meaning Braslav's town. This root is also reflected in the modern name Bratislava. The names Posonium and Pressburg did not exist at that time. The battle is referred to under various names ("of Bratislava", "under Bratislava Castle", "near Bratislava", etc.) in Slovak and Czech sources. If you are inclined so, you are welcome to survey English sources, but I am afraid you will not find much. Tankred (talk) 04:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hey, I don't think it is possible to find a name for these battles that will be equally accepted by everyone. I think it is agreeable to say that 'Battle of Bratislava' is anachronistic. English scholarly works almost invariably use 'Pressburg' to refer to the pre-WWI history of the city. Also, since you mentioned 'Brezalauspurc' it is worth noting that 'Pressburg' itself is a variant/derivation of that name. The first mention of the Hungarian name (as Poson) is from 1002, around hundred years later, but might have been in use earlier. The German name refers back to Breslav who under the Franks established a fort at the city's present site, the Slovakian name erroneously refers to Bratislav II(?) who was a Moravian ruler, the Hungarian name refers to Poson, the first ispan of the castle.

All in all I think the least controversial choice would be "Battle of Pressburg" since it is the only one that refers to Breslav. But more importantly because it goes along with the convention of using "Pressburg" in English texts in the field of history. - Best 02:28, 07 April 2008 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.99.167.127 (talk • contribs)

Pressburg is as anachronistic for 907 as Bratislava is. If anyone wants to rename this article, please present your evidence for the widespread use of your preferred name in English sources. Tankred (talk) 14:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just tried Google Books (searching for Luitpold, Hungarians and Bavarians [1]): Bratislava, Pozsony (Bratislava), east of Vienna, Pressburg, Pressburg. Doesn't make things much clearer I guess. Markussep ^Talk 21:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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	:::Pressburg is as anachronistic for 907 as Bratislava is. If anyone wants to rename this article, please present your evidence for the widespread use of your preferred name in English sources. [[User:Tankred\|Tankred]] ([[User talk:Tankred\|talk]]) 14:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)		:::Pressburg is as anachronistic for 907 as Bratislava is. If anyone wants to rename this article, please present your evidence for the widespread use of your preferred name in English sources. [[User:Tankred\|Tankred]] ([[User talk:Tankred\|talk]]) 14:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

			::::I just tried Google Books (searching for Luitpold, Hungarians and Bavarians [http://books.google.com/books?q=luitpold+bavarians+hungarians+907&btnG=Boeken+zoeken&hl=en]): [http://books.google.com/books?id=u-SsbHs5zTAC&pg=RA1-PA295&dq=luitpold+bavarians+hungarians+907&ei=qmxASMuDKZPSjgGwhrSJBQ&hl=nl&sig=JQoso2pe3LyNhfX6wgMNfjtX0sw Bratislava], [http://books.google.com/books?id=UtIr97n3tP0C&pg=PA22&dq=luitpold+bavarians+hungarians+907&ei=n21ASLGvGae6jgHA0LijDg&sig=3nWO1XlGpx3gYm77b2hwDpxj8P8 Pozsony (Bratislava)], [http://books.google.com/books?id=0XBtVwukIogC&pg=PA166&dq=luitpold+bavarians+hungarians+907&ei=n21ASLGvGae6jgHA0LijDg&sig=nk-NPGj_spNi0sH-rrDgPw1-h9w east of Vienna], [http://books.google.com/books?id=zuKIX5g6MgoC&pg=PA227&dq=luitpold+bavarians+hungarians+907&ei=n21ASLGvGae6jgHA0LijDg&sig=Lb-PKfNUpynhbH3pWafATQBbypM Pressburg], [http://books.google.com/books?id=0DT7eLFsw2AC&pg=PA13&dq=luitpold+bavarians+hungarians+907&ei=n21ASLGvGae6jgHA0LijDg&sig=3RxMlEie5k4Awx1tLVE4bcIgmsg Pressburg]. Doesn't make things much clearer I guess. [[User:Markussep\|Markussep]] <sup>[[User talk:Markussep\|Talk]]</sup> 21:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)