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Total number of India-related articles seems to be just over 50,000. This is disproportionately low. It should be several times higher. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu (talk) 04:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Out of 46 featured article candidates, not one is India-related. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

If you have suitable references you can always add Kailash Joshi to TiE, yourself! As for India-related articles being less in number or less featured I would only say that we need more dedicated editors, pitch in! ;) --Ekabhishek (talk) 05:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

This page should be deleted due to inactivity. --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu (talk) 15:37, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

This page ? What happened to you Hemanshu ? -- Tinu Cherian - 10:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Something must have happened to him. Otherwise, why would an editor with 17,000+ edits would write 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TiE' rather than '[[TiE]]'?--GDibyendu (talk) 12:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Exactly.. Thatz what I was thinking also -- Tinu Cherian - 12:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Some IP put it in URL form and didn't sign. Hemanshu just wrote it in directly afterwards. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 23:33, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Good catch! YM is right, I have signed above for the the IP editor 66.210.0.8 and seperated this topic to another heading section to avoid further confusion -- Tinu Cherian - 11:28, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Anyhow, still, I don't understand why Heemanshu had to nominate this page for deletion-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 01:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Asian Academy Of Film & Television/ Sandeep Marwah

An anonymous user (contribs) has been adding/ creating articles related to Sandeep Marwah, Asian Academy Of Film & Television and allied business ventures; no references. Further, he has been inserting "X actor is also the member of International Film And Television Club of Asian Academy Of Film And Television, Noida Film City." into quite a few articles - Anurag Kashyap for one (I have marked it as dubious). Didn't find any such information except some visits made by actors/ directors to the institute ad prwires about them. The articles have been there for some time now; so have the edits to the actor/ director pages. What's to be done? Last Contrarian (talk) 08:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Himachal Govt gets into trouble after using wikipedia map

I came across this article in yesterdays TOI about the Himachal govt using the File:India_roadway_map.svg in the official govt diary and coming under fire for not showing pok as a part of India. While this is the fault of the govt for not checking the map before publication as it is a criminal offense to print and distribute such maps in India (as well as a violation the creative commons license), i want to know the legal standing for those of us creating these maps. While we can argue that our maps are factually correct and show the truth, as a residing citizen of india, we must make sure that we dont go on the wrong side of the law. I have been checking with online texts on the law governing maps and also consulting a journalist to be sure. from what i was able to gather, 2(2) of the THE CRIMINAL LAW AMENDMENT ACT, 1961 is the most definite thing i could find:

2. Questioning the territorial integrity or frontiers of India in a manner prejudicial to the interests of safety and security of India. (1) Whoever by words either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation or otherwise, questions the territorial integrity or frontiers of India in a manner which is, or is likely to be, prejudicial to the interests of the safety or security of India, shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both. (2) 1 Whoever publishes a map of India, which is not in conformity with the maps of India as published by the Survey of India, shall be punishable with imprisonment which may be extend to six months, or with fine, or with both. (3) No court shall take cognizance of an offence punishable under sub- section (2), except on a complaint made by the Government.

but this only deals with publishing which i guess would refer to a hard copy. Ive gone through the IT act of 2000 and there doesnt seem to be anything mentioned about maps at all. More research on the matter is needed -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 10:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

If Indian wikipedians are afraid to work on/touch such a map on WP, you can always ask anyone not residing in India to do that. --Ragib (talk) 08:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I hope User:PlaneMad who has made the above map doesnt get into trouble :( -- Tinu Cherian - 09:17, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

PlaneMad you are lucky that you live in India, a democratic country with lax laws and no censorship. If it was China...by now you would have been abducted from your house and "disappeared"!!! BTW, you should post this at this at the WP Community portal or Jimbo's talk page to get a wider perspective. This is a serious query which pertains to all Indian Wikipedians. --KnowledgeHegemony ^talk 09:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

In law, the term "publication" retains its original meaning, namely, making something available to the public. It doesn't have to be in hard copy, putting something online can also be "publication." See e.g. S. 67 of the IT Act, which specifically talks about pornography "published in electronic form". So putting a map on a website is definitely "publication" for the purpose of Indian law. The fact that the servers where the publication takes place are outside India is unlikely to be much of a defence. I suppose the comfort lies in S. 2(3) of the Criminal Law Amendment Act, 1961, which requires a complaint by the Government - this, usually, means either the Central Government or a State Government. -- Arvind (talk) 15:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

thats a bit of a dampner to hear, but i guess there is still hope. An official survey of India map of Kashmir looks like this, so the maps here actually have all the details of the official maps, in addition to more information. when i have not hid any detail that is available in an official map, how can it still be nonconformance? btw does anyone have any idea of what exactly an official map of kashmir looks like, with district details? what do they show on the pok side? -- ^{PlaneMad|YakYak} 17:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

State-sponsored terrorism

Please see the following edits by User:Yousaf465[1] concerning inflammatory and WP:SYN content placed in retaliation to Pakistani state terrorism. Also ssee this talk page discussion regarding consensus to remove said edits which he seems to doggedly ignore[2].Usualitems (talk) 04:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

User:Yousaf465 can add Pakistani allegations of Indian terrorism to the article, but the tone must be strictly neutral. After all Pakistan's allegations aren't supported by any country in the world, including the USA. Maybe we should mention that they are nothing more than false counter-allegations as none of them have proved to be true-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 11:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Name for a biography

We have an article about an Indian spiritual leader. Her followers generally call her "Shri Mataji" or "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi". Her legal name is Nirmala Srivastava, and that's where we have the article now. FWIW, her husband is also notable, Chandrika Prasad Srivastava. An editor has suggested that we should move the article to the subject's spiritual name. The Google hits are 375 for "Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi" and 245 for "Nirmala Srivastava". I'm confused by the various naming conventions and precedents, which indicate we should include honorifics, should use the most common name, and allow for articles like Sri Abhinava Vidyatirtha. A thread on the topic is at Talk:Nirmala Srivastava#Rename. Any thoughts?   Will Beback  talk  07:15, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought Wikipedia has decided long before NOT to include such honorifics. For example, when referring to Muhammad, no prefix ("Hazrat") or suffix ("PBUH") are added. I do not see why Nirmala Devi should be treated differently. Her followers may choose to use "Sri" or whatever honorific before her name, but that would still be a honorific. Just as there is a very large consensus against using honorific suffix/prefixes before Muhammad, we need to trim all such mentions, even if commonly used in the media of her country. --Ragib (talk) 08:35, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Rajib, Can't names with honorifics be redirected to the actual articles ( like Mahatma Gandhi redirected to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi ) ? -- Tinu Cherian - 11:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, Shri Mataji is a disambiguation page, and Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi is a redirect to Nirmala Srivastava.   Will Beback  talk  04:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Akhil bharathiya kisan sabha

Is Akhil bharathiya kisan sabha worth saving? In its current state it's not long for this world, I suspect. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:29, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Assessment#Quality_scale

The examples in Wikipedia:WikiProject_India/Assessment#Quality_scale, contradict with Template:Grading scheme, used by most other wikiprojects, including Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment.

• Real analysis (as of November 2006) is stub in India, start in Template:Grading scheme
• India: start Roman Catholicism in India (as of October 2007), has more references and better organization than the class C (a higher grade) example Exeter Cathedral (as of June 2008).

We need to fix these anomalies by changing some examples, to be consistent with rest of the projects. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 12:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

As you will notice at the top of the quality scheme, the assessment dept. is working to update the grading scheme still - this is near the top of the "to-do" list; I'm expecting we'll be ready to update it in the next fortnight. To avoid confusion however, I will remove the problem examples. Please also note that India will have its own article as an example for stub to B-class - Exetor was not approved by the dept. Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 03:26, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Merging Maratha 96k Clans and Maratha clan system?

Greetings, I'm not exactly a project member, but I do a lot of WP:UNCAT which gets a lot of India articles written by brand-new editors (who don't know how to or bother to categorise), so our interests cross over.

I'm seeing this Maratha 96k Clans article, and to my American eye it looks the same thing as Maratha clan system, but the editors don't acknowledge any Discussion or messages on their Talk, and keeping adding POV and non-Wiki commentary about the various clans to the 96K article (which isn't as good at the "clan system" article).

Just thought you gents might take a look and maybe sort folks out, as I'm really unfamiliar with the subject. I don't envy your work here, as at a few points I've tried to help with new editors and hit major CoI issues where I have to explain "look, I'm not saying you're wrong for saying your group is descended from an avatar of a Hindu god, I'm just saying that it's a bit of a big claim with no easy way to prove." So kudos to you for tackling this very broad region, and for keeping up the quality of the Subcontinental articles that have been lacking up until now. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:32, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Sahitya Srijana Shakari Samiti Ltd.

I de-speedied Sahitya Srijana Shakari Samiti Ltd.. Should this article be saved? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 06:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

• and ditto Parasmani Dangal. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 06:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
  • SAMAY DAINIK, too. He's been busy! Shawn in Montreal (talk) 06:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Sahitya Srijana Shakari Samiti Ltd. is a copyvio from [3]. I have marked it for speedy deletion. The subject was unlikely to survive an AFD anyway, since there seem to be no secondary sources on the organization. Abecedare (talk) 10:03, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Cricket Grounds

I'm in the process of adding cricket info boxes to all articles on cricket grounds in India. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie talk)} 09:59, 15 February 2009 (UTC)