Talk:Status of territories occupied by Israel in 1967

Naming dispute?

I don't have a better title for this article off the top of my head, but it does seem wrong to call the arguments presented here a "naming dispute". There are very significant legal and humanitarian issues at stake. The real issue isn't what you call them, it's who they belong to and whether the Fourth Geneva Convention applies. Brian Tvedt 02:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

The title was right off the top of my head; if anyone has ideas for a better one in mind, by all means. El_C 10:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

How's "Legal status of the Palestinian territores"? While some may object to the term, its the best and only we have on those territories (excluding the Golan Heights), and corresponds well with the contents. Cybbe 20:18, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot to higghlight: International law and the Arab-Israeli conflict#"Occupied" vs. "Disputed" territories. El_C 11:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

See also Political status of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Why the Golan belongs here too

I don't know if Israel makes quasi-legalistic claims arguing that the Golan Heights are "disputed" and not "occupied" terrority, but: (1) The UN resolutions mentioned in the article do state very clearly that the Golan Heights is occupied; (2) Israel has contested that in its actions, if not its words, for example by passing the Golan Heights law. Brian Tvedt 23:07, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it belongs, as I've never seen Israel or supporters claiming that the Golan Heights is not "occupied". Jayjg ^(talk) 16:10, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

It would seem, however, to be well worthy of inclusion based on the current title of this article. Marsden 18:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

But not based on the opening sentence, as Israel's supporters do not seem to say it is "disputed", nor based on the contents, which present no arguments for it being "disputed". Perhaps this should be remerged, or renamed. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:54, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

References?

There is something seriously wrong with the footnotes here... They need to be changed/fixed.

A student of history 18:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

New historical research: secret Israeli memos about legality of post Six Day War occupations

APF: Secret memo said to prove Israel knew occupation was illegal. --Abnn 05:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

• See discussion here Talk:Israeli_settlement#New_historical_research:_secret_Israeli_memos_about_legality_of_post_Six_Day_War_occupations. --Abnn 07:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

It's all quite old news - "The legal opinion, a copy of which has been obtained by The Independent, was marked "Top Secret" and "Extremely Urgent" and reached the unequivocal conclusion, in the words of its author's summary, "that civilian settlement in the administered territories contravenes the explicit provisions of the Fourth Geneva Convention."

And the US knows the same thing, in 1978 it asked the Office of the Legal Advisor, Department of State and reported to Congress[1] that "While Israel may undertake, in the occupied territories, actions necessary to meet its military needs and to provide for orderly government during the occupation, for the reasons indicated above the establishment of the civilian settlements in those territories is inconsistent with international law." PR^talk 21:11, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Remove Tag Citing Neutrality/Accuracy Dispute

The purpose of the two subsections, Occupied, and Disputed, is not to factually state the legal status of the Palestinian territories, but to accurately present two opposing sets of arguments and perspectives on the matter. Whether or not these arguments are "right" is irrelevant in this context. So long as the subsections in question describe said arguments as they exist in the public political discourse, they contribute to the encyclopedic accuracy of the article, regardless of whether said arguments are themselves factual or correct. On these grounds I am removing the tag. Please discuss here and provide reasons before reinserting.--Supersexyspacemonkey (talk) 08:35, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I would agree that the two opposing sets of arguments be presented fairly and accurately, but some of the wording, at least the formatting, is worrying. Particularly the italicized 'defensive war' and 'war imposed on Israel.' If that is the argument fine, but the italicization is OR at least and thoroughly non-NPOV at worst. Nableezy (talk) 07:57, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

The article is hopelessly POV. International law governs the reciprocal relations between States. The JCPA is not a state or a branch of the Israeli government.

The article doesn't factually state the legal status of the territory or the position of the Israeli government. In the Israeli Supreme Court opinions on the West Bank Barrier, the court agreed with the plantiffs and the state's attorney that the West Bank was held by Israel in a state of belligerent occupation and that military administration, headed by the military commander, continues to apply flowing from the principles of the Israeli administrative law and provisions of public international law established in the Hague Conventions. The lead says that Israel's government calls all of the territories "disputed", and that simply isn't the case.

Statements such as: "Supporters of the view that the territories are not occupied argue that use of the term "occupied" in relation to Israel's control of the areas has no basis in international law or history" do not reflect the actual legal positions taken by the government of Israel or its treaty obligations under the UN Charter. The fact is that government of Israel admits the territories are occupied and that they are under an Israeli state-run military administration which operates a Hague IV regime.

Many countries, like the United States and the former Soviet Union, stipulated that their recognition of Israel was based upon the borders contained in the UN partition plan. harlan (talk) 18:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

You appear to misunderstand what the POV tag is for; it's not to be placed on an article because we disagree with the POV of those whose opinions are expressed in the article. So, to with the "fact" tags you've been placing in the article. Also, the Israeli Supreme Court is not the Israeli government. Jayjg ^(talk) 04:32, 17 February 2009 (UTC)