User talk:Xeno

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Do not archive

Threads in this subheader shall not be archived because my botservant will be confused by this fake timestamp. –xeno^talk 04:20, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Questions from...

Transcluded from User talk:Tim1357/adoption

You seem to be getting on fairly well, so I'm going to untransclude this from my talk page. Ask me questions there if anything comes up. Cheers, –xeno^talk 02:34, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:CHICAGO tagging

You mentioned that it would be okay to ping you for another run through our categories by the end of August. It would be great if you could do another run through now. I am talking with AHRtbA== (talk · contribs) about whether User:YATBot might be accepting projects to sign up to do this regularly.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, can do. –xeno^talk 18:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

 Doing... but maxlag is slowing me down. Found 350 new articles in the category: WP:CHIBOTCATS/LOG. –xeno^talk 20:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done 413 edits. I assessed any articles in "Unassessed..." as stub if they had a stub template. –xeno^talk 22:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Xenobot Mk V has retagged Climax Blues Band with Template:ChicagoWikiProject. I recently removed a similar previous tag as it really does not make sense. The band in question was originally called The Chicago Climax Blues Band in the late 1969s, but has/had no tangible connection otherwise with Chicago itself. I know I could simply remove the tag, but I guess that it might re-appear again without intervention from your end. These tags are somewhat beyond me as to how they work, and I thought it best to bring it to your attention before it becomes a bigger issue. I hope I have done the right thing. Thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:15, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll drop a note for the WikiProject co-ordinator... Note it is appearing in Category:Chicago blues ensembles which WikiProject Chicago has identified as an area of interest at WP:CHIBOTCATS. ("Chicago blues" style of music...) –xeno^talk 21:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Does your bot respond to {{nobots}}?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

It will respect nobots, yes. –xeno^talk 21:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

auto-assess

Just summarrizing what I've read and suggested. There is a need (we are getting buried in unassesed Class and Importance articles) for auto assessing both assessment parameters when Chicago Project articles have no assessment values for either or both parameters- Class and Importance. The method for deriving the default value will be different for each one. The reporting or flagging of auto assessed values may or may not be the same. Sounds like a lot of work. Please let me know if I can help. Pknkly (talk) 06:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

auto-assess Class parameter

• You mentioned you were looking for something that could assess based on other project categories . . . what kind of confidence level would you be looking for? i.e. would you like at least 2 or 3 wikiProjects to agree on a class before assessing as such? –xeno^talk 21:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
  • As far as FA, FL and GA go, which are the most important ones, as long as any project uses one of these, it would be good to add that class to our article. For C, B, start, stub if it is possible to go by majority that would be best.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
    • FA/FL and GA can be easily found from the templates they're using. I will probably not be able to easily program something complicated that will take the majority, but what I can do is determine how many times that class is used (e.g. "is class C used at least twice?" -yes?-> tag as C). Would a single tag be enough or should I look for at least two? –xeno^talk 21:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
      • I would guess a single tag would be O.K., but I have not seen it operationally. You may want to talk with Pknkly (talk · contribs) about autotagging beyond FA, GA and FL for our project. He does a lot of the tagging.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:07, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Does the plan include using a method for indicating to the editors that the Class parameter was derived by a bot? Suggest using the "auto=" parameter in conjunction with the {{Stubclass}} "category=" parameter. Two categories will be needed - one for each assessment parameter (Class and Importance). The categories could be "Category:Bot Class parameter set for Chicago Project article" for Class parameter auto valuations and "Category:Bot Importance parameter set for Chicago Project article" for Importance parameter auto valuations (see below for Importance auto valuations). Seems the bot will need to have the capability to set both auto valuations for articles that don't have either parameters set. Pknkly (talk) 04:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I was planning on setting auto=yes. Why not just modify the template so they go into Category:Automatically assessed Chicago articles and update the built-in auto display to work for other-than-stub? (I'm not sure how importance would be auto-assessed...) –xeno^talk 04:48, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

A single auto assessed category would not work because there are two assessment parameters involved with an assessment. One is for Class and the other is for Importance. Pknkly (talk) 05:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

"Automatically evaluated Chicago articles" for importance  ? –xeno^talk 12:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, please see the next subsection.Pknkly (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Use project "scope points". An option by which another project's Class evaluation would be used as the default would be to use the Class valuation given by the project with the highest "scope points". The process (described at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/SelectionBot#WikiProject scope points ) used by the WP 1.o team may include a list of projects with their "project scope points". I'm suggesting using a list, if it exists, with all the project's "scope points" and use the project with the highest scope points, within the article needing an automatic Class valuation, as the one whose Class valuation is automatically used for the Chicago Project Class parameter. Pknkly (talk) 06:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Even if there were such a list, this would be a very complicated task, one that I don't have the time (or technical prowess) to tackle.

Understood and thanks for giving it some thought.Pknkly (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

What I could do is apply a class which exists in "X" number of projects, where "X" is a number of the WikiProject's choosing.

That would be fine.Pknkly (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• For example, if there is only one other WikiProject template on the page, are you willing to take the class from that project?

I think that sticking to a threshold (the "x" factor above) would be good since "blank" Class would mean it needs the attention of a Chicgo Project member because the threshold was not met.

• If there are two other templates and they disagree, should I err on the lower side? Or not class?

I prefer not Class. Pknkly (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• If there are three other templates and two agree, should I use that class?

That sounds real good. Pknkly (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Will this strategy work for you guys? –xeno^talk 12:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good! Pknkly (talk) 00:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

one	two	three	four	five	six or more
N do not tag	Y if they agree	if 2+ agree	3+	3+	4+

Does this matrix work then? –xeno^talk 00:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Auto-assess Importance parameter

Using the process above, could the Importance assessment parameter be automatically assigned a Low value to articles within selected categories (e.g., all alumni related, all faculty related, all Northwestern related, all players related, etc.)? Perhaps we can assign automatic Importance levels at a higher level like High to articles with categories related to a National Register. I'm suggesting adding to the current list a space or other character delimited field holding the default Importance assessment parameter value (e.g., Category:Kellogg_School_of_Management_alumni Low; Category:Museums_in_Chicago,_Illinois Mid).Pknkly (talk) 05:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

If you guys break up WP:CHIBOTCATS into sections ordered by default importance, I can do it this way. –xeno^talk 12:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

DO NOT DO IMPORTANCE BY BOT It varies too much from project to project and would not be helpful. However, assessing the quality of an articl is fairly uniform across projects.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I think the use of lowest Importance within the categories lists of the various projects will accurately reflect the differences between the project teams. Pknkly (talk) 00:34, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

No doubt, but Pknkly's suggestion to assign a default lowest importance for categories in WP:CHIBOTCATS may be worthwhile. –xeno^talk 17:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Why not try sifting through the list and see what you can come up with. –xeno^talk 00:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Assassin's Creed

Since according to one of your userboxen you like the game, I thought I'd direct you to here in the vague hope you might have seen a source before. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 10:58, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Not that I know of... Can't wait for AC2 to come out tho =) I have my sore points about the game too, but overall I found it enjoyable. –xeno^talk 18:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Damn. Well, it was worth a try. That really, really... *rethinks potential ban-worthy statement* made me angry. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Losing savegames is never fun =( –xeno^talk 00:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

It's less the fact that I lost it, it's more the fact that it would be entirely preventable if they'd done a bit more beta testing. --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 11:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

BN

'unfuck it'? best term ever. regards. Law _{type! snype?} 12:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

ha! Glad you liked it. And now that I've just read through the article (I only took a look at the first few words the first time) and the resulting argument at BN... lol? My bad! –xeno^talk 14:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for using the hat template. I was thinking that Resolved was supposed to be the cue to make everyone stop talking, but it looks like I should have used hat instead. @harej 20:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The 'resolved' is more like after last call, they turn the ugly lights on, and people still mill around talking about nonsense even though the bar is closed. =) –xeno^talk 20:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hat template? "Unfuck it?" What page is this? --Thejadefalcon^{Sing your song}_{The bird's seeds} 15:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

BN stands for WP:Bureaucrats' noticeboard. –xeno^talk 16:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

re User talk:Tim1357#Stub creation

Noted, I will ask before i make any more larg scale article creations. And, in response to my articles being innapropriately refrenced: I am in the process of fixing that. Thanks Tim1357 (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Hard Boiled

Hey xeno, just out of curiosity why did you add American-task-force to the film Hard Boiled? Nothing in the article really relates it to an American production or American funding or American filming locations. What up? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:20, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Category:Films directed by John Woo appears in the bot's category worklist, but maybe it should not. I asked the Wikiproject co-ordinator to look here - thank you for the note. –xeno^talk 18:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

2000s-novel-stub

I note this has a note which should probably go in the "note" field. There may be more, but IIRC it was "youth novels" that required that field in the first place, so may be just the novels project. Rich Farmbrough, 21:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC).

Are you talking about the "noticeboard" thing at the bottom? I don't think that should be shown on the articles. Maybe just moved to the top so it's not so hidden at the bottom. I got rid of most of those, FWIW. –xeno^talk 21:50, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. The "note" field does not show on articles, unless someone has broken upgraded it. Again it fell in the category of not treading on anyone's toes while implementing Asbox. If you can confirm that no stub template needs it, then it can in theory be done away with. As I remarked on asbox/talk the preferred solution is the simplest, icon, pix, note, tempsort were all to cope with idiosyncratic stub templates. Rich Farmbrough, 23:02, 31 August 2009 (UTC).

Yes it appears to have been co-opted for things like {{diving-bio-stub}}. –xeno^talk 03:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Missing categories in asbox conversion

Hey Xeno, are you aware that some of the templates that were converted to asbox did not have their categories correctly converted? For instance like this: [1] and [2]. Borgarde (talk) 10:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I thought I had caught all these. I will take another look through. Thanks for the note! –xeno^talk 16:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

This was an error with the find/replace statement for asboxen that use "icon", that was actually pointed out to me Aug 11, and I fixed it at that time, [3] but I guess I must have used an older settings file when I did the work on Aug 23/24. In addition to the ones you already fixed, I found 24 more. Thank you again for noticing this! –xeno^talk 16:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

1993 Independence Bowl

That was pretty funny. JKBrooks85 (talk) 00:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

heh [4]. Mk V following in the footsteps of its ancestors...... –xeno^talk 00:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Page protection

Thank you for your clarification. I'm currently composing a post on the Noticeboard now. Nightscream (talk) 22:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

No problem. By the way, you might consider archiving some of your talk page. –xeno^talk 22:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Closing withdrawn and other RFAs

Hi there xeno. Little thing only: I saw you closed TPH's RFA. Remember to sign your name and timestamp when closing it and removing the "voice your opinion" link. I fixed it for you this time, so don't worry. :-) Regards SoWhy 06:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks =) –xeno^talk 13:28, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Watching/bookmarking wikipedia articles

Hi Xeno, I think I asked before but didn't get a reply. Other than bookmarking in the browser or watching on an article (which isn't an efficient way) is there any other way you know that would keep me in touch with the article? Shirishag75 (talk) 12:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

See User talk:Xeno/Archive 17#Bookmarking within the Wikipedia universe. –xeno^talk 13:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

xenobot to the rescue

I just mailed our first issue of the WP:Article Rescue Squadron by hand to 200+ editors, I notice your bot handles the WP:VG newsletter. There are no instructions on the xenobot page on how to be added to this list. Can our newsletter please be considered to be delivered by xenobot? Thank you in advance. Ikip (talk) 17:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Ouch! Sure, I can. Just drop by my talk page after the next issue is ready and I can get'er'dun.. –xeno^talk 17:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, thanks. I appreciate it. I would do it with autohotkey, but that is unathorized. :( and I dont want to go through the hurdles of coding the damn thing, then getting permission. Ikip (talk) 17:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)