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::Or the timing of this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PrBeacon&diff=346258287&oldid=346249279]-- self-righteous blowhard trying to bait another argument. |
::Or the timing of this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:PrBeacon&diff=346258287&oldid=346249279]-- self-righteous blowhard trying to bait another argument. |
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:: PrBeacon, what I think is happening is you’re losing your cool and antagonizing people again. — <em>[[User:NRen2k5|NRen2k5]]</em><sup>([[User_talk:NRen2k5|TALK]])</sup>, 09:48, 25 February 2010 (UTC) |
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June + July 2009
Dispute with wiki-bully |
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ANI DiscussionThere is an discussion specifically regarding you at ANI Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 12:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
DisputeI’ve notified a few editors who I’ve worked with and asked them to weigh in on the issue. [6][7][8][9][10] I believe the way I did so is within the rules (WP:CANVAS). Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, and feel free to do so yourself (within the rules, of course). — NRen2k5(TALK), 00:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
July 2009
Archives are just that: archives. They’re meant to keep a record of discussions that are now finished and are not meant to be edited. If you feel there is something unresolved in an archived discussion, the proper thing to do would be to ask an experienced editor or an admin about unarchiving it or starting a new discussion on the matter. — NRen2k5(TALK), 05:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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Edit warring, username issue
![]() {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 02:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
![]() PrBeacon (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: As usual, NRen2k5 is overstating my role & understating his own. This dispute has escalated from article talk pages (on Sea Shepherd and Whale Wars to my WP:EAR, then his WP:WQA and WP:ANI, none of which delivered a favorable outcome to him, so he continues his wiki-bullying on my talk page and now here. The above revert-war is his attempt to get &keep the last word on that archive, yet nowhere there or on WP:Archive does it say new edits are not allowed. Furthermore, his last edit to it before it was archived is a blatant violation of standard format: his small reply to Bwilkin's admin note is misleading & redundant (pushing his POV in summary/admin format). Decline reason: This doesn't address the reason why you were blocked. Other users actions aren't an excuse for your own. \ Backslash Forwardslash / {talk} 03:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
![]() PrBeacon (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: Agreed, I understand what I was blocked for and I will stop modifying the ANI archive. However, in my defense I should say that I honestly did not know all archives should not be modified. While it may be "well-known" to veteran users, it is not explicitly stated on the page in question or the WP:Archive page. And I did not get a warning about this policy. The other editor NRen2k5 placed a warning about edit warring on my talk page but I disregarded it due to his conflict of interest. And so I thought he was making up a rule about new edits there, since he was engaged in the revert war, too, and has done so before. Lastly, my initial appeal above was incomplete -- it was originally my reply to the ANE section which the other editor started, but I got blocked before I could post it there. Decline reason: You should not have disregarded the warning and need to look at how you edit here. Also, you need to change your username - it is inappropriate, violating username policy. Toddst1 (talk) 13:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. ![]()
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{{unblock|Your reason here}} below or emailing the administrator who blocked you. Toddst1 (talk) 13:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
![]() PrBeacon (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: My username is not innappropriate. The admin's interpretation of it is incorrect ("F you" on his talk page) because the "h" in "hue" is not silent. Decline reason: How you read it, maybe. But the key standard is not how you intend your username, but how it affects the ability of other editors to work with you. "F hue" sounds so much like "F you" that people are taking it as an insult, which makes it impossible to collaborate with you. Mangojuicetalk 18:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. I would recommend against unblocking unless this user promises to leave archives alone.— Dædαlus Contribs 20:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
![]() PrBeacon (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Requested username: Juancholo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Decline reason: I didn't know the term has offensive connotations since there are quite a few other users with the name. Yet you call me 'cholo' in the same breath. hmmm. ('Juancho' is a nickname in Mexico and i heard 'cholo' used jovially there as nomad, vagabond, trainhopper.) Fhue (talk) 03:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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Name change
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![]() {{unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. Toddst1 (talk) 19:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)I don't understand what you have against me. I've applied for the name change but the process takes a week. Am I supposed to wait that long before I can start contributing again? Fhue (talk) 19:41, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you both, much appreciated. Fhue (talk) 01:02, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks again. Fhue (talk) 02:13, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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Sea Shepherds and Violence
Just wanted to say thank you for the repsecful tone that seems to be settling on the community in the discussion at the moment. It makes a nice environment for cooperative work, you make that article a better place. --68.41.80.161 (talk) 04:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
- I might regret this but get in here. Started poking around more recently and think your counterbalance would be beneficial to the article.Cptnono (talk) 06:42, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
For the record, I've removed NRen2k5's self-righteous warning from here. I also posted the following reply at his Talk page: "When you can heed your own advice about not personalizing disputes and distorting the truth, I'll stop countering your pro-whaling arguments. Until then, keep your hypocritical warnings to yourself." PrBeacon (talk) 00:00, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey.. it looks an aweful lot like you are egging Nren on in the discussion of SSCS. I know the two of you have history.. it's probably best if you don't spend effort discussing him in that page. Making suggestions of edits would be cool but it seems like you are commenting about the person which he seems to be taking offense to.. --68.41.80.161 (talk) 00:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Perhaps thats one way of looking at it, but as long as he pushes his anti-SSCS POV there, I'll continue to reply. I think the discussion about balance in particular is well worth it. Incidentally, I must say your assessment seems injudicious in light of your own testy exchange with the anon-editor#4 allegedly from San Jose. PrBeacon (talk) 00:41, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have no problem being disagreed with. :) I welcome it, it's good for us. San Jose though was just flat out rude, I tried not to be rude back. Look at CPTnono, obviously sympathetic to the SS but I've got nothing but praise for the way that editor handles business. If we disagree it's all good. Anyway, thanks for scaling back a bit, we all have folks that get under our skin. Happy editing. --68.41.80.161 (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! I am pretty sure we can find solutions on the range of articles. I have and will continue to disagree with you but me getting the page locked sucks. And there is no winning and I am not always right so there is nothing wrong with working to find some consensus on this stuff.Cptnono (talk) 08:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Against pro-whaling POV-pushers
For the record, User:Cetamata is misrepresenting the situation and bypassing the normal channels of dispute resolution. This is how I and others see it: over the past several months he has repeatedly changed the article to suit his pro-whaling POV, including the euphemisms "take" and "catch" as well as bogus research claims, while ignoring disagreements about these terms on the talk page and paying lip service to WP policies. Most recently, after I changed the terms back, he reverted my edits. So I warned him about 3RR [23] which he mistakenly thought was a formal report, yet he deleted it. He then retaliated at the Admin noticeboard. Instead of attempting to reach a resolution, he seems to be digging in & making things worse. (I write this here because he will most likely delete what I wrote on his talk page). PrBeacon (talk) 18:51, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- He replied, unsurprisingly, with a rehash of false premises, non sequiturs and red herrings. Funniest of all is how he brought up that "which is not how disputes are resolved on Wikipedia"
- How would you know "how disputes are resolved"? Apparently, policy pages are "arbitrary" and don't apply to you, talk pages are only there to support your worldview, archived discussions and related articles aren't worthy of consideration, and a common template warning is a "threat." PrBeacon (talk) 06:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
We can play this game if you really want. Calling you a jerk was grossly inappropriate. However, you are guilty to a certain extent as well and ignored that on the user's talk page and mine. WP:AOBF is part of a guideline. "Ill-considered accusations of impropriety" is considered directly rude per the policy Wikipedia:Civility. Stop accusing someone of POV pushing. This is devolving into a lame pissing contest. You asked where my objectivity has gone and I am thinking the same of you. I hope it is just a knee-jerk reaction on my art. I am sure we can get back to not being rude to each other with a little bit of effort.Cptnono (talk) 06:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
- Yep, I've conceded as much on his talk page and yours, just before he made the remark. But I never called him any names. Those quotes from wp:npa seem to support my view that I can indeed question an editor's contributions with some latitude, including POV issues. And you know from my exchanges that I'm civil until provoked, especially with NRen2k5 last year: I give what I get. If an editor wants to push the argument instead of reach common ground, I'm willing to return the flavor. Not the best response in an ideal community, but I don't back down from bullies. As I see the escalation: we discussed, he reverted, we argued, he reported, we argued, he insulted. And yes Cetamata seems to enjoy arguing, despite his claims to the contrary. PrBeacon (talk) 06:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)