Talk:El Salvador national football team

best Win Ever

How did the player score 13 goals for the team if it was their first win at 5-0? I don't see how that works.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Resitate (talk • contribs) 20:22, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Manual references

I just added a reference on some material I added to the article, but it didn't come out correctly. Apparently the references here were done by hand, i.e. without the <references /> tag. I've never seen it that way before. I didn't want to disturb anything, so I didn't attempt to fix my reference. - PhilipR (talk) 07:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

JGA2k could you have the official logo be put in —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaime070996 (talk • contribs) 19:40, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request

{{Edit semi-protected}} —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaime070996 (talk • contribs)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 22:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

{{Edit semi-protected}}

This article needs semi-protection.

 Not done: requests for increases to the page protection level should be made at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 23:34, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Lede section suggestions and rewrite

I was asked by Jaime070996 (talk · contribs) to help rewrite and expand the WP:LEDE, so here goes;

How I normally try to write a good lede;

The first statement, about what it is, is very important. The current one is not too bad, really;

The El Salvador national football team represents El Salvador in international association football and is controlled by the El Salvador Football Federation

The only issue being the duplication of "El Salvador" 3 times, which is tricky to avoid.

For the rest of the lede, I usually try to read through the whole article, trying to take the absolute essential points from each part. I'll show my notes below. The parts in (brackets) are 'possibly' not worth mentioning, maybe excess details;

History

Began in 1921 (Gustavo "Taviche" Marroquin scored 5 goals against to-be-rivals Honduras) Competed in two World Cup competitions, 1970 and 1982. (2010 FESFUT suspended by FIFA due to government interference)

Competitive record

Concaf 10 times; '63 and '81 runners-up; 77 3rd place; (2002 and 2003 qtr finals) CCCF champs in 1943, 2nd in '41 and '61 Also UNCAF (3rd x 3), Pan American Games recordand Olympics Central American and Caribbean Games 2 x Gold

Kit

Maybe a v brief mention - colors, describe maybe?

Squad/callups

The only note, really, is - 21 man squad

Unless there is some extra-specially-notable player, in which case, they might be worth noting

Stats

Top scorers; Jorge "Mágico" González 41 Raúl Díaz Arce 39 Most appearances: Luis Guevara Mora 89

Staff

Manager José Luis Rugamas

Honours

- covered above

Using the above logic, and my own judgement/wording, I've rewritten the lede as;

The El Salvador national football team represents El Salvador in international association football and is controlled by the FESFUT. After the formation in 1921, the player Gustavo "Taviche" Marroquin scored 5 goals against the Honduras, beginning a lengthy rivalty.

The team competed in two World Cup competitions, in 1970 and 1982. They were CCCF champions in 1943, and second-placed in 1941 and 1961. They have competed in the CONCACAF Gold Cup ten times, finishing as runners-up in 1963 and 1981. La Selecta also competed in the UNCAF Nations Cup, the Pan American Games, the Olympics, and have achieved two gold medals in the Central American and Caribbean Games.

They play in a mostly sky-blue kit, which from 2008 included the Mitre logo.

The top-scoring player is Jorge "Mágico" González (41 goals), the next closest being Raúl Díaz Arce with 39. Luis Guevara Mora is the player with the most caps, at 89. The manager is José Luis Rugamas.

I have done my best, but I'm sure that this is not entirely accurate; however, I place it as lede because I hope it is better than the current one.

In particular, please note that the lede should adequately summarize the article, but should not include information that is not elaborated upon elsewhere.

For that specific reason, I have not included mention of the Football War - this should certainly be in the article, but as it is not, in my talk of rewriting the lede, I could not help with that.

Best,  Chzz  ►  07:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Unfortunately, I stopped this copyedit as it is a copyright infringement of http://www.fesfut.org.sv/historia.php. Material appears to be a cut/paste of a translation-engine translation of the web site. The article was flagged for CSD G12. I advise you to move the page to a subpage of your user page, then work to rewrite all of the content. Once completed, feel free to request the copyediting services of the GOCE. Thank you! jsfouche ☽☾ talk

Speedy Deletion

This article will be edited as soon as possible or changed if it does not fulfill the requirements. I ask for some time for this article to be changed. Note: Various edits on the history section thus applies otherwise of a copyright infringement. Thank you. Jaime070996 (talk) 03:39, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I would hate to see the article be deleted as well, but an Admin will need to look into it as copyright violations are serious matters. The VAST majority of the text in the article is a copy/paste from http://www.fesfut.org.sv/historia.php. jsfouche ☽☾ talk 03:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I've declined the G12 for now and have asked someone way more knowledgable in this complicated field about what exactly to do. Just reiterating: copyright violations are not OK; I'm just not clear on what exactly to do at this point. Thanks for your patience, Airplaneman ✈ 04:01, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

If you're feeling confident that there is a clean version in the history, you can "revert to an earlier, clean revision and revdelete the offending revisions". Alternatively, you can send the article to Wikipedia:Copyright problems with {{copyvio}}. MER-C 04:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)