User talk:Socrates2008

Sakhalin Oblast

Hi there! I just wanted to point out that even if {{Location map Russia Sakhalin Oblast}} was created specifically for KAL 007, it is nevertheless just another template in the series of similar Russian location templates, which are used for all kinds of purposes. Even this template is used in quite a few other articles, some of which (like this one) are not going to work with the map you are reverting to. Fixing one article at the expense of another is hardly a viable solution, wouldn't you agree? On top of that, the gray map is not even entirely accurate; it's a problem which the newer map addresses.

The easiest fix is to create a separate location template for use in KAL 007. You can simply copy the code of {{Location map Russia Sakhalin Oblast}} to, say {{Location map Russia Sakhalin island}}, and use that in KAL 007. You will then have your single-purpose template (which would nevertheless have potential to be used elsewhere, if not right away), the rest of the articles will use a proper location map that show the whole oblast (and not just Sakhalin Island), and the integrity of the set of the location maps for the federal subjects of Russia will be preserved.

I would appreciate it if you reverted your change and created a new template instead. If you need help with that task, please let me know, I'll be happy to help. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 24, 2010; 14:51 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. I completely understand that you're doing a bunch of good work with templates, and that templates should be generic. However what I don't understand is that you have chosen to significantly modify the bounds of an existing map, thereby breaking its established usage. Indeed, you are not updating this map at all, but taking the name and creating an entirely new one - I don't see how you can say it's appropriate to stomp over established usage like this, and expect others to have to work around the problems created by your changes. If it's just the map name you're after, then I suggest you rename the old map out the way and update the links in the articles that require it. If there are two maps, then everyone is happy, surely? Socrates2008 (Talk) 21:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The point of the change was to make the map show what it promises—Sakhalin Oblast. The old map only showed the island of Sakhalin, but not the Kuriles. Hence the change. Anyway, now that there are two maps, I hope that's an acceptable compromise? Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); February 24, 2010; 22:02 (UTC)

All good, thank you. Socrates2008 (Talk) 09:27, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

hey man how are ya ? ya i searched online for reponsibilities and most if not all websites state that the attack was attributed to something or someone so finding the proven perpatrators is going to be a hassle .so it kinda hard to really get a good reference that explicitly says this act was done by said group. : ) --KAWASAKI (talk) 01:37, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

F2 Messages

You received the messages, because the images were on Commons, if you were only categorising you can safely ignore them. Images on Commons, should ideally be categorised on Commons BTW. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. The categories are not "common" between Commons and English Wikipedia, so not always possible. BTW, I didn't upload these on Commons either. Following your rationale, shouldn't your IfD notice have been placed on Commons? Socrates2008 (Talk) 21:27, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The F2 related to the image 'description' page here at enwiki as opposed to the Image and description page at Commons,

That's why the IFD/CSD tag was placed here :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

ThanksSocrates2008 (Talk) 21:56, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Please

Can you please also look at the pages and especially the talk pages of Aerotoxic Association and Welcome Aboard Toxic Airlines? Silverseren^C 19:41, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit war report that involves articles you edited recently

As you were partially involved in the edit war recently on Aerotoxic syndrome, i'm leaving this message to let you know that there is a report currently at the 3RR/Edit War noticeboard that you may wish to contribute to. Silverseren^C 01:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you - I'll keep an eye on it, but I don't plan to get involved lest I appear to be taking sides. Socrates2008 (Talk) 10:51, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer

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On-Screen Keyboards

Thanks for your continuing input on the keystroke logging article - something I'm interested in as well. I've done a lot of research into finding secondary sources on this topic, but I can't seem to find too many. I think it's just too dry a topic to interest such secondary sources, so the article is way too light on references. There are some references that I'd like to use, but I'm not sure if they're allowed to be applied (not being a Wikipedia expert). Seeing that you have more experience than me - I'm open to discussion. As an example, you removed the following quote, as you correctly noted is unreferenced: However, there are some on-screen keyboard programs that do offer some protection, using other techniques described in this article (such as dragging and dropping the password from the on-screen keyboard to the target program. I'm not sure if it's unsafe to use, as you say. In fact, I think it's factually correct - particularly when looking at this article and this one, and the rest of the context of the article (ie. using an OSK in conjunction with the other countermeasures). Whilst these sources differ in a number of ways, they seem to agree with one thing - that you can protect yourself against some (most?) keylogger capture techniques. I'm personally sure that there are at least some OSKs that provide protection against at least some keyloggers. I've confirmed this with my own testing of some of these applications against commercial keyloggers. ...however, I'm interested in what you think, and how the article can be improved within the Wikipedia rules. AgentG (talk) 11:20, 16 June 2010 (UTC)AgentG

Yes, I'm interested in improving this article, but don't have much free time to do anything major to it. The thing that struck me about all the workarounds in the article is that each of them is tailored to a specific type of attack, yet the user would not necessarily know at the time which approach was being used by the attacker so that the most effective countermeasure could be used. In other words, in addition to relying on the user not slipping up (ever), the countermeasures boil down more to luck than anything else. The "advice" being given in the article is therefore not failsafe. The reliable sources are indeed thin, but I've been trying to dig some out. Socrates2008 (Talk) 12:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Whilst I agree that the countermeasures are not totally foolproof, they are still valid - just as virus checkers are not ever foolproof but are still valid methods of protection. Virus checkers also use different methods to detect viruses, and the detection method must also 'match' the virus to be effective - signatures work great on detected, existing viruses but heuristics work best on analysing virus behaviour - there is no catch all...and users need to ensure that their virus checker is working, up to date etc. etc.. I think that the same is true for keylogger protection. For example, On screen keyboards will offer protection against all keylogging activity (the keyboard isn't used)...but may be susceptible to other related malware activity, like screenshot logging. As an example, I've tested Neo's SafeKeys v3 against a bunch of keylogger software, and it protects against almost all of them (no keys, screens, data etc is captured in most. In one, screenshots can be logged...but they'd have to be recorded at about 15 frames a second to be effective...quite impractical for malware to do). Is it 100% foolproof? No. The same goes for TrendSecure Transaction Guard - it has some good antimalware software built into it, but it also isn't foolproof. But is it valid enough that this statement is true: However, there are some on-screen keyboard programs that do offer some protection, using other techniques described in this article (such as dragging and dropping the password from the on-screen keyboard to the target program. Yes, I think so. Based on this, how do you feel about me re-adding the paragraph, and us both working towards giving the article a feeling of "there are some protection methods, but they're never guaranteed to be effective against all logging malware...so be aware"? AgentG (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:59, 1 July 2010 (UTC).

Qantas head office

Hi! I notice your userpage says you are from Australia. Are you in proximity to Mascot, NSW? If so, there is a photo request for Qantas Building A (the head office) that needs to be fulfilled. Would you mind doing so? WhisperToMe (talk) 12:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in Australia, but nowhere near the Qantas HQ, so won't be able to help you unfortunately. Socrates2008 (Talk) 12:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Major edit of Talk:1964 Savage Mountain B-52 crash

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Well spotted

Per this edit you made. Good job discovering that some of the content in the section "Call for urgent inquiry" in the Bernt Carlsson article was a copyright infringement, and also, thanks for providing the source too to help me out on this investigation. I have removed the copyrighted content and removed the template. Minimac (talk) 06:04, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Socrates2008 (Talk) 22:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for checking out the story

Hi, Socrates2008

Thanks for checking out the story. It think I owe that guy an apology, although I think it he should have mentioned his source, instead of resorting to original research.

For the record, I don't consider every IP to be vandal. I checked the citation and then the direct download link; both were alive. Unluckily, I didn't go to the download page or the page which you referenced. The program is still on Microsoft servers (at least temporarily) but its download link is orphaned.

Fleet Command (talk) 10:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

No worries. Socrates2008 (Talk) 09:53, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Qantas

Re this edit, please see the talk page discussion. Mjroots (talk) 09:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

M'fontein Lead

Lets paste the lead para it to the article talk page and work on it there. I'm not too happy with doing a quick copy edit, to satisfy one reviewer who bases his remark on the length of the lead vs. the number of bytes in the article! We have time. Thanks for the excellent contribution! Farawayman (talk) 13:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Go ahead if you wish - I see you've already made some changes directly in the article, which is fine with me too. Socrates2008 (Talk) 11:18, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Think its fine for now, provided you are OK with the changes - we don't need to do anything here! Farawayman (talk) 11:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't you think we should stop editing Magersfontein for now, at least - only edit based on the review comments? I fear that continuing editing and addition of new text, may lead to reviewers saying that their original comments are not longer valid, because so much new text has been added which was not included in their original copy edits and review? Farawayman (talk) 12:49, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Thought it was important to capture the differences between Cronje & De la Rey, but didn't find a good source until recently. But yes, agree, and I don't have anything further to add at this time. Socrates2008 (Talk) 21:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

RSA Barnstar

	The South African Barnstar of National Merit
	In recognition of your excellent work on many South African related articles and in particular for your work on the Battle of Magersfontein, Siege of Kimberley, HMS Birkenhead (1845) and List of ships of the South African Navy
	this WikiAward was given to Socrates2008 by NJR_ZA (talk) on 12:36, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Unnecessary, but thank you Socrates2008 (Talk) 22:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Congratulations!

		The Military history A-Class medal
		For prolific work on 1968 Thule Air Base B-52 crash, Siege of Kimberley, and Battle of Magersfontein, promoted to A-Class between May 2009 and December 2010, by order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject you are hereby awarded the A-Class medal. Congratulations! AustralianRupert (talk) 11:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)