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Singapore-area contributors? 2010 Youth Summer Olympics

Hello: If you are in the Singapore area, I am hoping to get some people accredited as reporters, for the 2010 Summer Youth Olympics. Visit Wikinews' project area to submit your name, and be considered for our official bid. -- Zanimum (留言) 2010年3月22日 (一) 14:55 (UTC)

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I have nominated List of 1936 Winter Olympics medal winners for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JeepdaySock (talk • contribs) 16:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Olympic recognised sports

There are a number of sports that are Olympic recognised sports but not competed for in the Olympics. This isn't my area of expertise. It would be really great if we could have some assistance in terms of how to organise articles related to that, consistent spelling and punctuation for the term. I've created Category:Olympic recognised sports as a short term solution for the Netball at the Olympics article. (That was created because our Olympic section was getting rather long. While the information is important, it best fits on its own article instead of on the main one.) --LauraHale (talk) 04:34, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While I appreciate the effort you have put into Netball at the Olympics, I must comment on the name of the article. The "Sport at the Olympics" series is used for discussion about the Olympic history of each sport, medal winners, list of events on the current and past Olympic program, etc. I do not think this title style is appropriate for a sport that has never been in the Olympic program (not even as a demonstration sport), and will not be on the program in the foreseeable future. Can you please consider another name for this article? — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:18, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour, for me, the title Netball at the Olympics is very good: simple and Clearly on the question treaty. Bonne chance --Geneviève (talk) 19:32, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It may be "simple", but it certainly isn't logical. The article title is "Netball at the Olympics" and the first line of the lede states It has never been played at the summer Olympics. That's rather confusing, don't you think? I would prefer something like Olympic recognition of netball. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 20:06, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It needs a name change, misleading. Kante4 (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Bonjour Andrwsc, sorry for the word simple (I thought in French language - French is my first language. English and Hebrew are the other languages about which I speak secondarily); I shall have written rather Effective in English language. I prefer the title Netball at the Olympics. Best regards ,Merci de votre compréhension, --Geneviève (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm okay with the article needing a name change. I just did not know what to name it as the sport is Olympic recognised but there was no style guide for how to handle Olympic recognised sports, nor how to categorise them. Obviously the sport hasn't been played at the Olympics and prior to this, there appeared to be no need to address how to handle sports recognised but not competed for. I was hoping that the style guide would have information on that topic or some option could be offered for how to deal with those sports in the future. I thought about Netball as an Olympic sport but there appears to be contention around the identification of netball as an Olympic sport. --LauraHale (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is a major conceptual problem here. The International Olympic Committee recognizes International Federations and not particular sports. (Some International Federations govern multiple sports, and the IOC evaluates the quality of the International Federation rather than any particular aspect of the underlying sports. For example, the IOC could not care about the fitness level required to play, but cares about the quality of the Anti-Doping program. So when the IOC "recognized" the IFNA, it was not recognizing netball as a sport or making a commentary one way or the other about whether netball was a "worthy" sport. The phrase "Olympic-recognized" may be an attempt to add glamor to 32 sports such as Sumo Wrestling, Korfball, Mountaineering, Powerboating, and Wushu. So, the phrase "Olympic-recognized sport" makes no sense. So, perhaps the article should be merged into the "International Federation of Netball Associations" and the discussion of the IOC's recognition of the IFNA incorporated there. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC) Please see Talk:International Federation of Netball Associations#Merger_Proposal[reply]

Racepacket once again, you've been canvassing to bully poor Laura into changing something that you want desist cause I'm fed up with Wikipedia at the moment just for the shear amount of stupidness from a hell of a lot of people and not just you. The fact of the matter is she brought it here and you didn't need to canvass, mean Kante4 is one of the most difficult members to get on with as he does not talk nor ever justify himself and his response is what i expected! Just please racepacket stop trying to antagonise a situation it will only end badly...I get why it's named netball at the and I'm cool with it, Olympic rec of netball seems a bit clunky to me. Netball and the Olympics, would be less clunky and have the same meaning. Put it this way I'm out of ideas now, you've got three ways of saying it. KnowIG (talk) 09:45, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand the above remarks and I want everyone to understand that I certainly am not trying to antagonize anyone or mean anyone disrespect. I know we all want to get our content right both in terms of accuracy and in terms of understandability for our readers. Racepacket (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming hypothetically that there are "recognized sports" (which I now doubt), would the correct phrase be "IOC recognized sport" just as the phrase is "IOC recognized international federation", not "Olympic recognized international federation." I read the Olympic charter as recognizing federations, not sports. But if for some reason I was wrong, why would the phrase be "Olympic recognized sport?" Racepacket (talk) 22:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New template Template:Student athlete

Feel free to help fill in Template:Student athlete by adding new articles or creating articles for redlinks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:01, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Seems awfully narrow, usable only for athletes from one country. I can't imagine it would be terribly useful for this project. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 19:15, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Olympic sports

I'm really confused about this category's scope. Category's description says "This category contains articles about past and present Olympic sports and links to the categories for those sports", but it also contain recognized sports. I think there should be two different categories, one for actual Olympic sports and other for recognized sports as according to IOC's definition "Olympic sports" and "recognized sport" are completely different terms, following this we can't place them together. Bill william compton^Talk 05:43, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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 I'm okay with the article needing a name change.  I just did not know what to name it as the sport is Olympic recognised but there was no style guide for how to handle Olympic recognised sports, nor how to categorise them.  Obviously the sport hasn't been played at the Olympics and prior to this, there appeared to be no need to address how to handle sports recognised but not competed for.  I was hoping that the style guide would have information on that topic or some option could be offered for how to deal with those sports in the future.  I thought about [[Netball as an Olympic sport]] but there appears to be contention around the identification of netball as an Olympic sport. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 21:12, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
-There is a major conceptual problem here.  The International Olympic Committee recognizes International Federations and not particular sports.  (Some International Federations govern multiple sports, and the IOC evaluates the quality of the International Federation rather than any particular aspect of the underlying sports.  For example, the IOC could not care about the fitness level required to play, but cares about the quality of the Anti-Doping program.  So when the IOC "recognized" the IFNA, it was ''not'' recognizing netball as a sport or making a commentary one way or the other about whether netball was a "worthy" sport. The phrase "Olympic-recognized" may be an attempt to add glamor to 32 sports such as Sumo Wrestling, Korfball, Mountaineering, Powerboating, and Wushu. So, the phrase "Olympic-recognized sport" makes no sense. So, perhaps the article should be merged into the "International Federation of Netball Associations" and the discussion of the IOC's recognition of the IFNA incorporated there. Thanks, [[User:Racepacket|Racepacket]] ([[User talk:Racepacket|talk]]) 04:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
+There is a major conceptual problem here.  The International Olympic Committee recognizes International Federations and not particular sports.  (Some International Federations govern multiple sports, and the IOC evaluates the quality of the International Federation rather than any particular aspect of the underlying sports.  For example, the IOC could not care about the fitness level required to play, but cares about the quality of the Anti-Doping program.  So when the IOC "recognized" the IFNA, it was ''not'' recognizing netball as a sport or making a commentary one way or the other about whether netball was a "worthy" sport. The phrase "Olympic-recognized" may be an attempt to add glamor to 32 sports such as Sumo Wrestling, Korfball, Mountaineering, Powerboating, and Wushu. So, the phrase "Olympic-recognized sport" makes no sense. So, perhaps the article should be merged into the "International Federation of Netball Associations" and the discussion of the IOC's recognition of the IFNA incorporated there. Thanks, [[User:Racepacket|Racepacket]] ([[User talk:Racepacket|talk]]) 04:50, 26 March 2011 (UTC)  ''Please see [[Talk:International Federation of Netball Associations#Merger_Proposal]]''
 :Racepacket once again, you've been canvassing to bully poor Laura into changing something that you want desist cause I'm fed up with Wikipedia at the moment just for the shear amount of stupidness from a hell of a lot of people and not just you. The fact of the matter is she brought it here and you didn't need to canvass, mean Kante4 is one of the most difficult members to get on with as he does not talk nor ever justify himself and his response is what i expected! Just please racepacket stop trying to antagonise a situation it will only end badly...I get why it's named netball at the and I'm cool with it, Olympic rec of netball seems a bit clunky to me. Netball and the Olympics, would be less clunky and have the same meaning. Put it this way I'm out of ideas now, you've got three ways of saying it. [[User:KnowIG|KnowIG]] ([[User talk:KnowIG|talk]]) 09:45, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 ::I don't understand the above remarks and I want everyone to understand that I certainly am not trying to antagonize anyone or mean anyone disrespect.  I know we all want to get our content right both in terms of accuracy and in terms of understandability for our readers. [[User:Racepacket|Racepacket]] ([[User talk:Racepacket|talk]]) 22:01, 26 March 2011 (UTC)