User talk:Crakkerjakk

Welcome to Wikipedia from Eclipsed

Hi, Crakkerjakk. I welcome you to Wikipedia! Thank you for all of your edits. I hope you like editing here and being part of Wikipedia! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); when you save the page, this will turn into your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or put {{helpme}} (and what you need help with) on your talk page and someone will show up very soon to answer your questions. Again, welcome!     Eclipsed   (t)     08:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow!

Great job expanding the Chris Thompson page. :) QuasyBoy 1:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikia exist for you

I noticed that there is a wiki for the show Shake it Up, which you mentioned being a fan of. http://shakeitup.wikia.com/wiki/Shake_It_Up_Wiki There isn't an entry for Buddy yet. You can move your article over there, where fans would see it, and appreciate it. There is no logical reason to delete the article from Wikipedia, millions of fans do know who this person is which would logically be a reason for them to have an entry here, there no shortage of space, and its the sort of thing that used to bring people to the Wikipedia. But, as the situation now is, all the haters out there are just destroying all they can. The mood of Wikipedia went from constant enthusiasm to mostly dread, as instead of creating its more about destroying. A sad day for humanity really. Dream Focus 07:53, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

January 2011

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to Zendaya Coleman. Doing so helps everyone understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. Confession0791 ^talk 03:43, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

• Woops, sorry about that. I was just reviewing some pages I'd put together a while back, and breaking things into paragraphs to make the pages easier to read, so I didn't even think to add an edit summary. I'll try and remember next time. Crakkerjakk (talk) 03:50, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Bella Thorne - References

Hey! Thanks for helping me include a reference to Bella's (infamous) View from the Bay interview. I've taken your advice to heart and filled in a couple more references ... Thanks. Mariana. Mariana Binte Zainal (talk) 14:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for all your work on her page --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Whisperback

Hello. You have a new message at Bento00's talk page.

References problem

I took the liberty of changing the ' ' etc to 1, 2, 3... With a little luck there should be no problems, let me know if there are. Rich Farmbrough, 22:26, 24 February 2011 (UTC).

Thank you for your help. I just left a message thanking you at my Village pump Merged Reflinks entry right before you left this message.  :-) Crakkerjakk (talk) 23:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

ABC Afterschool Special

Hello Crakkerjakk. I just saw your message on the Talk:ABC Afterschool Special page. I'm willing to split the work of a comprehensive episode list for the series, but am also willing to have you take the lead if you want to start right away. I'm in the middle of several other projects, which is why I noted it could take me a few months to get to this. (One of those projects is a listing of the Emmy awards the show earned.) I've been editing for a few years, but I've never worked with tables, so I was anticipating having to spend some time figuring out how they worked. The List of Drake & Josh episodes format looks good as it allows for listing guest stars. I would make one suggestion. Epguides.com is usually my resource for production codes (the last column in the table). But there are no production codes for this show (at least that I could find). I'd delete that column and make the Episode Title column wider. Another good format is the one used for the List of West Wing episodes page. Let me know on my talk page how you'd like to proceed. Jim. JimVC3 (talk) 04:44, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I'm also currently working on a few other pages (mainly focusing on former child stars and teen idols from the 70s and 80s), so it will take me a little time before I can devote myself to a big project like this, but I shouldn't take me too long to finish what I'm working on (a few weeks; maybe a month at most). As far as production codes - I kind of touched on this on the Talk:ABC Afterschool Special page (I answered two different posts of yours last night, so I don't know if you saw the other one) - since this was an "anthology" series showcasing what were essentially "short films", they were not produced in the same way that a regular network show is produced by a network. They were produced independently and then licensed by ABC - many were shown as stand-alone "short films" in their own right at various film festivals, as well as distributed (on 16mm in the early years) to schools for "educational" purposes, so I doubt there was a "production code" assigned to each one in the same way that most network produced series were numbered. The basic layout of the episode charts on the List of West Wing episodes page looks good, but as with most Wikipedia episode pages I see, it does not allow for linking to a specific episode the way the chart used for the List of Drake & Josh episodes page does. It will be easy to remove the "Production code" column from the chart, and the other columns will automatically redistribute to fit the page (if you stretch your page to the full-width of your computer screen and then narrow the page again, you'll see what I mean; basically the columns will automatically find their own "level". What I can do is I'll make a little mock-up chart of just two or three "test" episodes, so you can see the layout I have in mind, and let me know what changes you think need to be made. I'll try and get to that within the next couple of days and I'll contact you with a link to my sandbox, so you can take a look. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:30, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I had a little free time, so I just went ahead and made a small mock-up wikitable to give you an idea of what I had in mind. The first is a standard episode wikitable similar to those seen on most episode pages and the second is my idea for a more appropriate wikitable for this project. I've made some modifications from the standard format, since this is more a series of short "films" and not a regular series where the main cast, plot, production info, etc, can all be covered in the body of the main article of the page. I've listed the cast in a "column" formation (since I think it's easier to read when listing more than just one or two "guest-stars"), added the || Series # || Season # || Title || bar for every episode (since each episode section will probably be longer than the episode section for the average series), and created an extra section for "trivia" and "notes" (when necessary). I've also shown some different colors, obviously each season would be just one color, but I used some different colors to give you an idea of how we could make each season a different color, for easier navigation when the reader is scrolling down a long page looking for a particular season. You can view the mock-ups on my Sandbox page, and let me know when you've seen it and what you think, since I'll be needing my sandbox for some other editing I'll be doing. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 08:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Excellent! I'm impressed. I like your modifications in the second wikitable style. Three thoughts...(1) Place the Notes section after the Cast section. I'm thinking that for the majority of the over 150 episodes, there won't be any notes. If the style permits, the section could be deleted for those episodes. As an "optional" section, it might look better as the bottom entry on only selected episodes. (2) I agree that the cast list is more readable in a column. I think it would also be okay to do something simpler, such as listing three or four of the top-billed stars (without their roles) across the table, e.g., Starring: Ross Martin, Ginny Tyler, Vincent Van Patten. But I didn't know about the complex production process for these episodes which makes them "mini-films", so your style is perfectly fine. (3) The wikistyle for episode titles is to put them in quotes, but not italics, so we should keep that in mind as we proceed. JimVC3 (talk) 03:22, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought the same thing after I finished the mock-up. I think the notes belong at the bottom, and that section can easily be omitted for any episode that doesn't have any notes or trivia. I can also create an optional mini "awards" bar to fit below the notes that can also be easily added or eliminated. Basically, my idea for the episode chart for this show is to make the layout identical to a typical TV show page here on Wikipedia, but just in "miniature" for each episode. I wouldn't usually change the standard format, but I don't see this series the same way as most network shows that have a core "starring" and "recurring" cast, so I think giving each episode it's own "mini" page format would be nice. I also thought about including only the "starring" cast and going across horizontally with their names to save vertical space, like most TV show guides here do, but since these were "stand-alone" teleplays with a revolving-door "starring" cast, it would be nice to give a complete cast list at a glance. Plus, many of the early specials were filmed before the child actors became "stars", so some of the most notable stars today weren't given "star" billing in the episodes they appeared in. I usually cut-and-paste cast info from IMDb (so it doesn't take me very much extra time) and then just go back and backlink the names. After I'm finished, I double-check against other online sources like TV.com, etc, to make sure I haven't missed anything.. Most of the episodes didn't have that many actors to credit, so I thought it would be nice to list the full casts in a vertical column, to make it easier to "scan" as the reader goes down the list, that way the reader can see all the current celebrities who were on the show as children, before they were "stars" (that way, its an episode guide, but also an easy to read complete "cast" list at-a-glance when quickly scrolling down through all 25 seasons). Since you've had a chance to view the chart, I'll go ahead and take it down, and I'll work on another demo chart over the next week or two to see if I can add a little "Awards" bar, and then let you know what I come up with. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Davis Cleveland

Hey Jakk. :) Yes I am familiar with SummerPhD's edits. He especially likes to put tags on pages for lesser known actors. For example, if take an actor's birthdate is taken from IMDb, he will probably remove it. Which is the reason why Drew Roy's page does not have a birthdate posted considering that there is a birthdate on his IMDb page. Frankly, I don't know why IMDb has such a bad reputation considering that there a number of actors that actually edit there own IMDb pages. IMDb is generally reliable about 98% of time that I have used it. But anyway, I spent a few minutes reading the Davis Cleveland talk page and boy did you and SummerPhD go at it. I pretty much wholeheartedly agree with your arguments. I have spent many years on Wikipedia editing actor's articles, and finding "reliable" information for lesser known actors is always a tough task. It is usually never a problem to find a unquestionable sources if an actor actually has the leading role in a project. But like you said given that Cleveland is a 9 years old and Shake It Up is a program geared to a young female audience, he is not going to get as much independent coverage as Bella Thorne and Zendaya, the show's leads. Lastly, the two tags that are on the page are not too much of a problem, Just be glad that the page is not under AFD at the moment. QuasyBoy 20:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

No problem :), We are definitely on the same page on this issue. QuasyBoy 22:26, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Young Artist Award

Hey Crakkerjakk, thanks for adding the LIFE.com link to the 2011 page. Also, great job on the rewrite + expansion of the main article. It flows much better now :) Jusses2 (talk) 06:51, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I found a couple more references with more info that I'm planning to add to the main article page, but they're older stories, so they won't help on the 2011 page, but I think you have enough sources cited there now that you shouldn't have to worry. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:37, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: The Queen of Hearts

Hello, I'm not a Wikipedian, so I don't know whether I'm doing any of this correctly, but I added a comment onto the Origins section of the discussion about the Queen of Hearts (Alice's Adventures in Wonderland)

I thought I'd reproduce that message here, so that you would be sure to see it. (I hope that this isn't inappropriate.)

"I don't know if this qualifies as 'a reliable source' but there is an article by CW Giles, Punch, August 15, 1928 comparing the Queen of Hearts to Queen Margaret (and the Alice books to the Wars of the Roses.) You can see the relevant section of the article here: http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/explain/alice808.html "

Thanks for your time

90.193.214.128 (talk) 09:47, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Monica Smalley

Question regarding use of a Wikipedia file

I have a somewhat detailed question regarding a file already being used here on Wikipedia that I would like to use on a second article page. I'm in need of assistance from an admin with specific detailed knowledge of Wikipedia's policies regarding images. If anyone reading this can help answer my questions or can point me to an admin with in-depth knowledge about the fair use of images, I'll be most grateful.

I'm in the process of writing a detailed article about the Academy Juvenile Award. I'm currently working on the project in my personal Sandbox page, so the Academy Juvenile Award article as it is now does not accurately reflect the article as it will appear once I'm finished. A mock-up of the page I'm working on can be viewed here. I'm still working on small rewrites and adding inline reflinks for all my sources (which I always do last), but this is a basic rough draft of what the page will be.

My question is regarding the image depicting Bobby Driscoll accepting the Award. I see the photo has been used on the Bobby Driscoll page for over 3 years, and I'd like to use this same photo on the Academy Juvenile Award page in order to depict the unique award and its small size as compared to the standard Oscar statue.

Since the Juvenile Award was an exact miniature replica of the full-sized Oscar statue, a close-up photograph of one by itself would simply look like a full sized Oscar, therefore a photo showing one of the young recipients holding the statuette is required in order to give the reader an idea of its size, and the fact that in this particular image an adult is also pictured presenting the miniature statuette makes it the ideal photo to give the reader an idea of scale.

My question is in several parts - Do these reasons qualify as a legitimate fair-use rationale to use this image on the Academy Juvenile Award page? If not, is there some other formalized way I should be stating the rationale? And if so - Can I have some help writing a detailed rationale for the file's page? I also see the file page says a separate rationale is required for each additional page the image is being used on - Does this mean I need to create a second rationale template for the file's page?

I've uploaded and written fair-use rationales for several images here on Wikipedia in the past without any trouble, so I'm usually confidant providing a rationale for most images, but this is the first time I'm using this type of unique rationale for the use of an image that's already being used on Wikipedia, so I'd like some help writing a clear and concise rationale that will hold up before using the image on the finalized article page. Thanks in advance. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 17:57, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I have moved this from a "adminhelp" to an ordinary "helpme", because many of the NFCC experts who could help you are not admins; and many admins, like me, are not NFCC experts. My non-expert view is, yes, you do have to make another rationale for another page to use the image, and my suggestion is, read Wikipedia:Fixing non-free image problems, draft a Fair Use Rationale, and then ask someone on the list of Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media/Non-free#Editors willing to help. JohnCD (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you will certainly need a second rationale. But the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media/Non-free#Editors willing to help looks somewhat out of date, to me. I suggest that after you have drafted a second rationale - perhaps on this talk page - you post at Media copyright questions so that the active experts will see it. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I am not an expert of FUR, so take this with a grain of salt. First, I agree with others that you need a separate rationale for each use. That is one of the things I do know about FUR. However, I am skeptical that you will be able to satisfy the "No free equivalent" criterion. While there haven't been many of these awards, there are (per the article) 14 or so in existence. so while it may be difficult to photograph one of these, it doesn't sound impossible. I grant that a photograph alone is not desired; as you note, but if a photograph could be arranged, it should not be difficult to arrange to have it held, or shown next to an object for size comparison purposes. Others may disagree, noting the rarity of the item, and the obvious difficulty of obtaining a photograph. I don't know how far along the continue from "easy" to "impossible" is required. The literal words of the rules suggest that it has to be "impossible" to satisfy, and I don't think it is.

BTW, nice work on the draft, it looks quite interesting.--SPhilbrickT 17:01, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The problem is last such award was given out in the 1960's (so that is over 50 years ago) so finding such an award to take a photo of would be very hard to do. Also, if you look at http://copyright.cornell.edu/resources/publicdomain.cfm, many of the images from the 1930's and 1940's would be public domain due to lack of notice. (I even contend this current image is public domain due to lack of notice, but if this was from a personal collection, going to have to do some more research). My suggestion is to try and look for the awardees from the earlier periods and see what could be found. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 20:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, that's actually what I was thinking also. I would ideally like to use a picture of Judy Garland or Shirley Temple holding the Award since they're probably the two most well known stars to win it. I've actually found a good picture of Temple on the Oscar.org website that would be PERFECT for the page (since she was its first recipient and was also the youngest to win it). I didn't see any copyright info on it on the Oscar website, but I've been trying to finish up the article, so I haven't had a chance to look into it. I just thought I'd ask about the Bobby Driscoll picture since it's already being used here and I could get some info on it while I was finishing up the article. Thanks also to the other replies. I'm finishing things up right now, but I should be done in a day or two and will have more time to focus on the photo then. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 20:51, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

I like the idea of using one that is PD. If you have any questions about the status, the experts at MCQ are quite good.--SPhilbrickT 21:06, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Yeah - That's what I'm hoping for. Like Zscout said - the award's heyday was so long ago, that half the child star's who were awarded it are dead now (and the ones that are left aren't getting any younger) which just makes things that much harder (both Judy's awards are now locked up in vaults). Plus, I'm old school - I like movie stars to look like movie stars. I'd honestly rather not use any picture in the article than to use a pic of some aging child star posing with their award. It would just make it look like some former child star "lifetime achievement award" instead of what it was, so I'm hoping for a pic of one of the kids on the night they accepted their award (preferably a star as iconic as the Oscar itself). I admit Bobby Driscoll isn't exactly a household name to most people under the age of 70, but most people are likely to have at least heard of a couple of his movies. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 22:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Ivan Jandl - Juvenile Oscar

Hi, - I noticed that you used my Bobby Driscoll-Oscar Photograph of for the article on the Juvenile Oscars. Now I found a website on Ivan Jandl, who, just one year before, won the same minature Oscar for his performance in the post-war drama "The Search", 1948, starring Montgomery Clift. It includes photographs of him with his Oscar and Golden Globe, once as a child and once as an adult, but decide yourself, wether you want/can use it for the Wikipedia, or wether not. It then would be the second ones, depicting this rare minature stauette. http://drziteleoscara.blog.cz/0911/prvni-ceskoslovensky-oscar regards --Bylot (talk) 18:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen those photos of Ivan before. I think Bobby Driscoll is probably more recognizable to readers of the English Wikipedia, so I'd rather keep the picture of Bobby as the infobox image for now. I'd like to find more pictures of the award's recipients, but I don't think I'd add more photos to the body of the article until I can find photos representing a wider variety of honorees (male & female; 30s, 40s & 50s, etc). I was originally hoping to find a free-license photo of Shirley Temple or Judy Garland on the night they accepted their Juvenile Awards to use in the infobox (since they're probably the two most famous recipients), but I couldn't find any good pictures of them with their awards that I thought would be free-license, so I was happy to find the picture of Bobby since he and Mickey Rooney are probably the two most famous boys to receive it. Nice work on the Bobby Driscoll page by the way. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 03:18, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Office Hours

Hey Crakkerjakk! I'm just dropping you a message because you've commented on (or expressed an interest in) the Article Feedback Tool in the past. If you don't have any interest in it any more, ignore the rest of this message :).

If you do still have an interest or an opinion, good or bad, we're holding an office hours session tomorrow at 19:00 GMT/UTC in #wikimedia-office to discuss completely changing the system. In attendance will be myself, Howie Fung and Fabrice Florin. All perspectives, opinions and comments are welcome :).

I appreciate that not everyone can make it to that session - it's in work hours for most of North and South America, for example - so if you're interested in having another session at a more America-friendly time of day, leave me a message on my talkpage. I hope to see you there :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 14:33, 26 October 2011 (UTC)