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Cathedral article

I just deleted the picture that you added, and thought I ought perhaps give you a reason.

There are hundreds of cathedrals in the world and hundreds of pictures on Wiki Commons to choose from.
The pictures have been selected on a couple of criteria.

Format and appearance

Fitting the adjacent text.

In order to fit in a great number of representative examples, the pics are all "landscape". This creates a harmony in the overall appearance
Every picture has both appearance and a caption that relates to the text of the section.

e.g. the image of Pisa Cathedral is placed in the section on "tourism" and to serve that purpose, out f all the possible images, the one has been chose that is both of very high quality, is landscape, and has a tourist horse-drawn carriage in front of it.

The pictures are not about the greatness of the cathedral as a work of architecture, because that is not the subject of the article. The article is about how cathedrals function and what takes place there.

To illustrate that purpose, every cathedral, great or small, is equally valid.

I have tried to spread the illustrative material across the world, representing every continent. I think Africa might have missed out. However, England has weighed in rather heavily, as there are more pictures of English cathedrals available than any others.

Amandajm (talk) 05:45, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article tagging

Tomtomn00, I've brought up multiple issues with your article tagging previously and I still have concerns (despite you now having a mentor). Could you please explain why you tagged this article as having unreliable sources? It would certainly be helpful if you're going to throw up vague tags on articles if you could at least explain your concerns on the talk page or leave a detailed edit summary. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:23, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you keep being consumed about unimportant stats such as this as opposed to accuracy and the actual improvement of articles, I expect you will find your time here quite frustrating. Wikipedia is about building an encyclopedia, not ratcheting up your edit count in the shortest possible time period. I understand that you are young, however there is a level of competence that is required in order to edit, and I'm concerned that although you have enthusiasm, you are not quite ready for the tasks you're taking on. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:31, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They do not contain easily accessable information, and are just citations. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 17:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could you point me to the part of Wikipedia's reliable sourcing policy where it states sources must be easily accessible? Do you realize this individual died in 1785? The second part of your explanation makes no sense - the citations are unreliable because they are "just citations"? Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:37, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see your point now. Rolled back my edit. Sorry, ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 17:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WikiThanks

You are among the top 5% of most active Wikipedians this month! 66.87.0.115 (talk) 20:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there

Hi there Tomtomn00, how are you doing? I see you've had a little problem with article tagging recently - is there anything I can do to help you with this? ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing much. You could look at my AWB request? Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage#Users Thanks anyway. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 21:06, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can have a look at it but can't do much - I am not an admin so cannot act upon. Regardless, you have over 500 edits, so it should be granted to you soon. Might I ask, what do you plan to use AWB for? It seems that you have had trouble in the past with procedure and using automated tools (with STiki and with article tagging); I would strongly recommend that you read all of the relevant policy and guidelines before you start to use AWB. As I said, if there is anything I can do to help, let me know. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:17, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not that this is needed, but would you like me to put the archive bot (Misza Bot or ClueBot III) on your talk page? It will archive it to a talk subpage. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 21:19, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, look at this (it's random): Special:CentralAuth/Tomtomn00 - I think I put too many wiki's on there (288). ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 21:24, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No thanks - I like to archive my talk page myself. Have you had a look at the AWB guidelines yet? Also, could I ask what you've read so far about New Page Patrolling and vandalism? ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:30, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AWB is only 500 mainspace edits, and I have around 800. Requested. I will email you with other things which are more private. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 21:35, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know that. I'm just wondering whether you've read the relevant guidelines and policy to do with AWB. If you do not, you'll end up with problems, as you have done before.

Also, I've removed some of the tags you have put on articles ([1], [2], [3]), remember: The unsourced tag should only be used if there really are no sources at all (if there are any, including primary sources, do not add the tag. Secondly, articles which are not yet very long do not require a sections tag - articles only need to be broken up into sections once they get long. Finally, if an article has no sections, it does not have a lead (in the conventional sense, at least). You do not need to use any lead tags on an article with no sections. I hope that helps. I'll have a look at your e-mail now (although I would encourage you to use on-wiki communication as much as possible, to maintain transparency). ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:43, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

One other thing. I'm taking part in the feedback thing (v5). ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 21:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could you acknowledge that you have at least read my advice, please. I really want to help you, but I cannot do so if you ignore what I say. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 21:59, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to do what you say. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 22:00, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Sorry if the previous message sounded a little grumpy (I'm tired and should probably go to bed), it just helps if I know that you've read and taken on board what I've said. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 22:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Same here. I've been up since 5AM (now 20 hours). ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 22:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Tosters

A tag has been placed on Tosters requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer. Please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 11:14, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Emogene Thompson

Do go through with the deletion of Emogene Thompson but retain Michael Harold Chapel as due to being a major media event as well as a topic for a Courtv movie.

Not currently in news. No need? ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 14:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart B. Schwartz

Hi. Thanks for doing New Page Patrol, but this article contained more than enough claim of importance to pass the fairly low bar of WP:CSD#A7: "the George Burton Adams Professor of History and the Chair of the Council on Latin American and Iberian Studies... All Can Be Saved won three prizes from the American Historical Association... The book also received the world’s largest nonfiction prize... as well as the American Academy of Religion Book Award for Historical Study and the Bolton-Johnson Prize of the Conference of Latin American History." It didn't have any refs, but they are not required to pass A7. If confirmed by refs, there is enough there to establish notability per WP:PROF.

Unfortunately, it had to go, as it was also a copyvio from http://www.yale.edu/macmillan/newsletter_spr10/latinamericascholarship.html.

Please keep doing NPP, an essential part of keeping WP going, but have a read of WP:A7M and WP:10CSD, two useful guides by an experienced admin. Also, when something seems suspiciously well-written or like a publisher's blurb, it's worth feeding a sentence or two into Google to see whether it is a copyvio. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:54, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 14:56, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Not in English" isn't a speedy reason either, though I have zapped Iristel iberica as {{db-corp}}. For what to do with articles in other languages, see WP:NPP#Dealing with foreign language new pages. JohnCD (talk) 15:22, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Also, could you delete and create-protect this: Oleg Anatolyevych Shevchenko - it's already been deleted and that user keeps recreating it. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 15:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Zapped. Only created twice - I'll salt it if he does it again. There's a useful template {{uw-auto}} for people who write about themselves, which I have given him, and another {{userfy}} which is useful if a newbie makes an article with the sort of stuff that might reasonably go on a user page.

One more point - if you have only a single speedy reason, don't use {{db-multiple}}, because, e.g. {{db-person}} generates a more specific, and so more useful, message for the author's talk page. JohnCD (talk) 15:36, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I normally tag with Twinkle, and that can make a few mistakes. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 15:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Borjgala

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Borjgala, which you proposed for deletion, because the page you proposed for deletion was not an article. If you still think the page should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to it, as proposed deletion is only for articles. Instead, consider using WP:RFD for this page. In some cases, a speedy deletion criterion may apply. Thanks!

Note that WP:PROD cannot be used with redirects. — Rich wales 16:30, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletions

Hi Tomtomn00. Your speedy deletion tags look pretty good so far, I'm impressed. Just to let you know, I declined the tag you placed on Susan Nava because some notability is asserted. A7 is only for articles about people where there is no credible assertion of notability at all; in this case, the author claims that she is a TV-personality and well known socialite. It may be that the article is not notable enough for deletion; however, it that should be discussed at WP:AFD (feel free to nominate it for deletion if you wish). Aside from that, I've had a look at your other tags and they seem ok; keep up the good work. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 19:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could I also nominate it for PROD? ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 19:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You could PROD the article, but be sure to check for reliable sources yourself before PRODing. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 19:37, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Doing so. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 20:06, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could you have a look at my DYK nomination please? It's here. Thanks! ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 20:13, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not incredibly familiar with DYK, but I'll have a look. I might not reply until tomorrow. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 20:16, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! (Note: If this page is laggy, the archive bot hasn't archived it - which it hasn't.) ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 20:18, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some concerns

I raised concerns regarding your edits on ItsZippy's talk page as he has been providing some mentoring for you. I noticed that you saw my post and responded on ItsZippy's talk page as well. You said you "need to try harder to control" your editing. I have a response to that and felt I should contact you directly. (Actually, contact you directly again. I've left three messages on your talk page in the past.) Unsolicited advice is rarely appreciated and even more rarely followed, but here goes:

(1) Try to focus on the quality of your edits rather than the quantity. For your sake as an editor and for the advancement of WP, 10 high quality edits are far more useful than 50 edits that you race to get done and are populated with mistakes that others have to clean up. While a high edit count will get you past some of the easier hurdles in getting more "privileges" on WP, administrators will eventually look at the quality of your edits. While you do many, many things quite well, editors have had a variety of very legitimate complaints.
(2) Rather than adding maintenance tags to articles, correct the problem yourself. If you truly believe an article needs sections or a lead paragraph, insert the sections or create the lead yourself. This may take more time, and there's no requirement that you do so, but it will help you understand the meaning of the tag and help us all clear out the vast backlog of tags on articles. If you choose not to do that, please stop adding tags that feedback has consistently indicated you're adding incorrectly.
(3) Don't blame the automated systems (Twinkle, etc.) for making mistakes. I've used a couple of them for years and the only time I've seen an error with them is when I'm working too quickly (i.e., user error). Again, it's not the quantity of your edits that matters, it's the quality.
(4) If someone leaves a message on your talk page, try to think about and respond thoroughly to what they've said. Some of the people who have left messages are experienced editors. That doesn't mean they're always right or that you have to agree with them, but it does mean they may have something useful to say.
(5) And please re-consider archiving your messages every 48 hours. It makes it extremely difficult to follow a thread and necessitates searching through dozens of individual archive pages to find something.

Sorry if all of this too long and preachy, but they're things I feel strongly about. Good luck. JimVC3 (talk) 03:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

About the archiving, the bot does that after 48h of the thread not getting a reply. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 09:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would just like to second everything JimVC has said - that is all very good advice. As I've said before, your enthusiasm is great, but you do need to have a little more control over your edits. The conversations I've had with you on- and off-wiki suggest that you are willing to improve, which is great. As a side note, 48 hours can be too short even for threads which have not received a reply - I often have people replying to a post of mine days or even weeks later. I personally archive my whole talk page very month - that might be better for you. ItsZippy ^{(talk • contributions)} 17:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion declined: Stuart B. Schwartz

Hello Tomtomn00. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Stuart B. Schwartz, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: text sufficiently rewritten to avoid copyio. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 12:14, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to the April Wikification Drive

Hi there! I thought you might be interested in WikiProject Wikify's April Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive. We'll be trying to reduce the backlog size by over 1,300 articles and we need your help! Hard-working participants in the drive will receive awards for their contributions, including a brand new one for the single largest wikified article! All you have to do is put an asterisk next to the largest article you've wikified, and coordinators will check its wordcount after the drive ends. If you have a spare moment, please join and wikify an article or tell your friends. Thanks!

Note: The drive started April 1, and you can sign up anytime!

You logged your edits in the wrong drive month (June 2011). You should log them at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2012/April. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 16:46, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Codes

Can you please write me some code to autoarchive my userpage (after 7 days).--Epickindof (talk) 17:12, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page? ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 17:13, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes talk page.--Epickindof (talk) 17:14, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. ~ ⇒TomTom N00 @ 17:16, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much.--Epickindof (talk) 17:19, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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So, won't I get an award too (for 10 wikifications).--Epickindof (talk) 17:38, 2 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 Sorry if all of this too long and preachy, but they're things I feel strongly about.  Good luck.  [[User:JimVC3|JimVC3]] ([[User talk:JimVC3|talk]]) 03:15, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 :About the archiving, the bot does that after 48h of the thread not getting a reply. '''~ [[User:Tomtomn00|<span title="My Profile" style="color:#000080 ">&#8658;TomTom</span>]][[User talk:Tomtomn00|<span title="My Talk Page" style="color:#FF0000">N00</span>]] @''' 09:25, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
+:I would just like to second everything JimVC has said - that is all very good advice. As I've said before, your enthusiasm is great, but you do need to have a little more control over your edits. The conversations I've had with you on- and off-wiki suggest that you are willing to improve, which is great. As a side note, 48 hours can be too short even for threads which have not received a reply - I often have people replying to a post of mine days or even weeks later. I personally archive my whole talk page very month - that might be better for you. [[User:ItsZippy|ItsZippy]] <sup>([[User Talk:ItsZippy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ItsZippy|contributions]])</sup> 17:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
 == Speedy deletion declined: [[:Stuart B. Schwartz]] ==

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