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WP:SAL No one has actually objected to the idea that it's really pointless for WP:SAL to contain any style information at all, other than in summary form and citing MOS:LIST, which is where all of WP:SAL's style advice should go, and SAL page should move back to WP:Stand-alone lists with a content guideline tag. Everyone who's commented for 7 months or so has been in favor of it. I'd say we have consensus to start doing it. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 13:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC) I'll take a look at the page shortly. Thanks for the nudge. SilkTork ✔Tea time 23:18, 2 March 2012 (UTC) I guess the real question is whether to declare consensus and WP:BOLD it, or do merge tags and open a merge discussion at WT:MOSLIST. I'm all for going with the bold direction, since it seems unlikely to be controversial that the MOS page on lists should actually contain the MOS advice about lists.  :-) — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 23:53, 2 March 2012 (UTC) There's been a deal of activity on the page recently. I've not had a chance to absorb that yet. I may just potter around this evening doing light stuff, then take a closer look over the weekend. SilkTork ✔Tea time 00:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC) No hurry! I meant "bold" not "reckless". :-) — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 11:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC) I still have this in mind - on hold, but not forgotten. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC) Future Perfect at Sunrise Hi there. I was wondering if you could have a look at the history of these two articles : 1 and 2. I think the admin is abusing his admin right. pays no attention to my edit summary ( talk page ) and claims that a very well known book is unreliable. And the worst is that he is threatening to block me !!! Thanking you in anticipation. In fact 08:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC) Oh, another thing, I beieve he is Wiki Hounding me. He appears anywhere I edit, and opposes me. I have already asked him not to do so. But he keeps on doing that. In fact 09:37, 22 April 2012 (UTC) I've had a quick look, and there seems to be some history between you two. I wasn't able to make a judgement on the recent edits just by looking at them - it would require studying the subject and reading some sources. I don't have the time at the moment to spare to go into that kind of depth as there are ArbCom matters for me to deal with, and I'd like to keep some spare time on Wikipedia for myself - both for any research I need to do, and also just to do some edits as a pastime. I will keep your request on my talkpage though, to remind me to look into when I get the time. Meanwhile, as regards the edits themselves and the revert, you could try an initial polite, neutral discussion with Future Perfect, and if that doesn't get anywhere, ask for a WP:Third opinion or WP:Editor assistance. SilkTork ✔Tea time 15:15, 23 April 2012 (UTC) Thank you. I have always tried to be polite. (That is for sure the first rule.) So perhaps we could work on this case some time in future. Regards, In fact 09:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC) Honky Tonk Heroes Thanks for working in the review, I'll do my best to assess your concerns.--GDuwenTell me! 20:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC) I'll pop along shortly to have a look. Am suddenly busy in real life, so Wiki time is reduced, and the priority is the ArbCom stuff when I do get time here. SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:18, 9 May 2012 (UTC) No problem, take your time. We'll take care of everything at some point anyway. I'll start working on Jailhouse Rock.--GDuwenTell me! 17:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC) Agree. With a little work I see the article reaching GA status, and I don't see the matter hanging on too long, it's just a question of getting round to it. I'm looking today at a couple of other GA reviews I've taken on, so people have something to work on, then I'm coming back to yours. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC) That's fine, maybe we can get back to Waylon Jennings on another occasion. I think that we'll finish with Honky Tonk Heroes and Jailhouse Rock soon anyway. I understand that reviewing an article sometimes might take longer, but we'll get there.--GDuwenTell me! 19:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC) I am normally slow, but I have been particularly slow on the three GA reviews I still have left as my real life situation has been rather busy recently and when I do get to Wikipedia I have to prioritise ArbCom stuff, and then with the time I have left I find I want to do minor edits, or some distracting stuff - like closing contentious AfDs! I feel especially bad about the Get Carter! review because I haven't even finished it! SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC) Jailhouse Rock I started working on the article, I'll be assessing your concerns through the week. --GDuwenTell me! 20:17, 13 May 2012 (UTC) I have been woring on the cast section, I'm trying to find more details now on the production.--GDuwenTell me! 23:23, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Automation

Seriously, if I wanted to "conceal automation" I do not think I would fail. I was building systems to detect the signatures of attacker's IP stacks before a good chunk of ArbCom were born. Rich Farmbrough, 13:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC).

I think it is widely acknowledged that you have skills in that area. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Recusal

I personally wish you had not recused yourself from the FG case, in large part because of your own personal prior experience with dealing with the subject, and that you already know a little more about the recent history than others, who will have to wade through the mass of material for the first time. I have never had any reasons to believe you were biased then, and I don't think you would be now. I can, of course, understand your possible concern about the appearance of being prejudiced based on previous actions, but would myself probably prefer it had you not recused. In any event, I salute your integrity. John Carter (talk) 21:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

If it was to be about the Falun Gong topic itself, then I would not have recused, but it is to be about the editors, as that is what ArbCom does - it looks at user conduct, not at encyclopedic content. I have striven to remain neutral in my views of the editors involved, and tried not to engage closely with anyone. I am somewhat helped in that by being dyslexic, so user names usually do not remain in my head; and I don't court friendships. However, I have found myself over the years inclining toward respect/fondness for at least one of the editors in the list, and while I don't think that would influence my assessment of behaviour, or making a decision on sanctions (it has not previously swayed me in any way), it is possible it would, and it would be inappropriate of me to proceed with that doubt in my mind. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 22:42, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for !voting

	at my successful RFA
	Thank you, SilkTork, for !voting at my successful RFA; I am humbled that you put your trust in me. I grant you this flower, which, if tended to properly, will grow to be the fruit of Wikipedia's labours. Tea is good, have you tried maple? Love it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I just had a look, and it seems that maple tea is not available in the UK. Shame, as it sounds interesting. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 13:08, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

User Page

Never seen such a fabulous user page.copying some contents 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS (talk) 07:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

• I'm not able to put that page notice "Welcome,No rules Just a warm welcome, and a nice cup of tea." on my user talk. How to do that ?? 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS (talk) 07:25, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

When you click on Edit on your talkpage, there will appear top right of the edit box two red links Group notice and Page notice. Click on Page notice and then copy and paste this:

{{editnotice | header =Welcome, {{REVISIONUSER}} | headerstyle =font-size: 120%; | text =No rules <br> Just a warm welcome, and a nice cup of tea. | textstyle =font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" | image =[[File:Nice Cup of Tea.jpg|70px]] }}

You can adjust the text and select a different image if you want. Enjoy! SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

• Hi, I'm not getting what problem happened with this.Please settle it. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS (talk) 16:22, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

If you need general advice or help with any aspect of editing Wikipedia, then type {{Helpme}} on your talkpage, and someone will attempt to help you. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 17:18, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, SilkTork. You have new messages at Talk:The Concert in Central Park/GA1.
Message added 11:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

GoP_T^C_{N 11:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)}

• Shoot! I hadn't watchlisted it, so totally forgot I took that. As is my habit, I take a bunch of GANs when I have some spare time and motivation, and work through them. I usually take too many and struggle, but this time not only did I take too many, but also I became real busy in real life when we had to take in a friend and her daughter. I still have three left to do, even without this one, so I may just drop it back in the pool with my apologies for the inconvenience and time wasting - but before I do I will take a look to see if it can be passed quickly. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 11:49, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

• No problem, take your time. I was just wondering you forgot it or not :). Regards.--GoP_T^C_{N 11:57, 6 June 2012 (UTC)}

I'm working through it now, and - thankfully - it is well written, comprehensive and well sourced, so there shouldn't be too many problems. I'm going to quibble about the images, as I'm doubtful of the value of the Ed Koch photo, and the two concert photos, as these three were not contemporaneous with the topic, and we don't need them anyway. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 12:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

GoodDay banned (suspended)

With the second sentence, "If GoodDay engages in battleground or uncollegial conduct, the ban to be enacted by motion of the Arbitration Committee.", should it not be "the ban can be enacted or will be enacted? It seems to make more sense that way. Steven Zhang ^{Get involved in DR!} 10:35, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Agree. Thanks. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 13:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Honky Tonk Heroes

Hello, SilkTork. You have new messages at Talk:Honky Tonk Heroes/GA1.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--GDuwenTell me! 18:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Medway

What on Earth have you been doing with the articles related to Medway? Medway is a unitary authority politically separate from Kent County Council but it most definitely is still in the ceremonial county of Kent and so are all the places within it. Also Medway is a conurbation, not a town or city and therefore your wholesale changing of placenames is erroneous. I say this myself being from Rochester. You have changed so many articles I would appreciate it if you would help reverting them back to their correct state. ChiZeroOne (talk) 23:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Medway is not in Kent - it is in the position of a number of places, such as Bromley and Enfield Town, where the administration has changed over the years. It has an anachronistic link to Kent in that the Lieutenancies Act 1997 which linked the Medway Towns with Kent has not been amended, and I have put that information in the articles with citations so people are correctly informed of the situation, so there is nothing to revert back. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 07:31, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

My two penn'orth: I've looked at WP:UKPLACE, I've looked at Bromley, I've looked at Enfield Town and I've looked at Kent, and from what I've seen I'm with ChiZeroOne on this one. You yourself say that "the Lieutenancies Act 1997 which linked the Medway Towns with Kent has not been amended": for places in England, WP:UKPLACE begins by saying "[the] usual convention is to use [[placename, ceremonial county]]. For example, Halling, Kent"; it then goes on to say that "district/unitary" is used "[when] further disambiguation is required". I've checked one example, Cliffe, and there seems to be only one place of this name in Kent. Regarding Bromley and Enfield Town, WP:UKPLACE says that "[for] localities within Greater London: [[placename, London]] is used." In the event, Bromley and Enfield Town don't use "London", presumably because disambiguation isn't needed (e.g. the other Bromley north of the river in London is "Bromley-by-Bow"). In the case of Cliffe, therefore, my reading of WP:UKPLACE is that the article should be named "Cliffe, Kent", since it lies in the ceremonial county of Kent and there is no need for further disambiguation. I haven't looked at the other articles which you've moved to "N, Medway", but I think it's pretty clear that they should be moved back to "N, Kent" unless "further disambiguation is required". The fact that you've added information and citations to the articles in question is all to the good, but forgive me if I say that I think you've misunderstood WP:UKPLACE. Really though, I think it would be a good idea to raise this issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography, rather than getting into it further here on your talk page, and before insisting on the moves to "N, Medway" – who knows, consensus there might agree with you, and not ChiZeroOne or me! But at least then there'd be a chance for a wider consensus... Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 10:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)