Talk:Chatrak

Edit revert

I have reverted this edit because this is unsourced and WP:OR.

• certain sections of the press and of middle-class society – Which section?
• she was asked in by a press reporter whether this was.. – unsourced!
• However, no one from the media considered Anubrata Basu 'controversial'; – WP:OR! --Tito Dutta ✉ 00:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

okay Tito, I have the references on my computer, but i was too tired to search - I'll put it in with the references. However, it is impossible to demonstrate a negative: that anubrata was NOT asked is common sense for pppl who were in calcutta in 2011 and following the so called 'controversy' - but how do I gwet negative reference? please advise at your convenience (on the chatrak page; or the paoli page; or my page); I'll be guided by you.

Thanks for reading.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk • contribs)

You have forgotten to sign again. I am adding sign for you. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. which does not draw any conclusions. Also see this interview of Times of India. There might be few more. He too has been asked few questions. --Tito Dutta ✉ 22:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Answer is you get a negative reference the same way as any other reference, and if it can't be found you don't put it in the article. The fact is that Wikipedia does not discuss what hasn't happened unless there are sources which have already done so. Otherwise anyone and everyone is free to put in their observations about other things that haven't happened either, but that they think should have. A great many people weren't asked. The army wasn't involved. The director didn't get a medal. Indian was not brought to a halt by outraged citizens. It is only your opinion that Anubrata should have been asked. That is not good enough. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 19:34, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

added picture to chatrak

First part of this discussion was copied from Talk:Paoli Dam to keep it at the correct talk page

added snapshot from chatrak. 'Explicit' still. Should avoid editwars here and on chatrak article. I think a still is the most NPOV one can get on this one.

Tito, specially, consider the above seriously. (see the 'chatrak' article; controversy section; picture at bottom left). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk • contribs) 00:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• I have nominated that "explicit" image for deletion. Though the second image too violates NFCC, I am okay with it. Let's see what others feel! --Tito Dutta (contact) 03:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• Well, if the image(s) violate(s) NFCC, those will be deleted. If any editor can prove the image meets NFCC, then it would be ok to keep. Clearly the images do not meet NFCC for the article Paoli Dam; and I am not sure about this article.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• That's already done! I have mentioned in image deletion request too, we don't need this image to prevent contentious editwar.
  Please comment on the other aspects, do we need this image to illustrate something in the article? --Tito Dutta (contact) 03:30, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• Well, I do not have much experience in Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. However, what I understand in this case (as perhaps in many other cases), the discussion primarily boils down to NFCC#8 (Contextual significance). Now, that criteria says, "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.".

This criterion, at one level, is subjective. In this case, I feel the image's presence may significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic; however, it's absence might not be really be detrimental.

This scene has been the crux of many discussions in mainstream media (newspaper, TV channels) etc. Also, some versions of the film omitted the scene, due to fear of uproar perhaps. Moreover, such scene is not usual in usual Bengali (or other subcontinental language) films.--Dwaipayan (talk) 21:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

re chatrak image

Tito, your 'listing for image deletion' is fine; but you reverted the page! the reason you gave for adding my 'adding "explicit" image' is obviously fake; you could have deleted the 'uncontroversial' image there instead.

Please see my response on your paGE: I think your prudishness *in this case* is male chauvinistic. Meanwhile;I've asked the involved parties again whether they want the image there: you'll realise it is finally not their call but the potential financiers'.... so If they advise me to removve the image I'll do so myself! And be deplrived of the opprtunity of fighting test case [the govt of india v manoj pandey would be ok; but what I'd rweally love would be:the present west bengal lumpengovernment suing me for 'uploading[*] obscene material'- that is what I am trying to engineer!] which might change film censorship rules in India for the better!

(what if someone told you I am already out on anticipatory bail on 2 counts of waging war against the state; and that I was a close freind of the assassinated Maoist leader comrade Koteshwar Rao aka Kishenji; and that it would be nice to be fighting an ostensibly different kind of case - again *for* a radical left film - but govts - and - sorry, you too - are too stupid to see that!)

[*] the supreme court of india has already ruled that *downloading* anything in private premises is a person's own business. IAs long as one is not 'Distributing' material - as defined in Law.

I am not exactly anonymous: my parents are well known figures to W Bengal authorities. .. my father died 1993; my mother chandra kala pandey was cpi(m) senator ie rajya sabha member 1993-2005 elected on cpi(m) ticket by w bengal legislators.. you can look her up on the indian rajya sabha site... I am a *extreme dissident* cpi(m) supporter.

my land line number is (+91 33) 25714833. Manojpandeyanarchocommunist (talk) 22:42, 25 March 2013 (UTC)