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I get the feeling that the reference to Epstien's conviction for soliciting prostitution (and, the later revision and reversion of that reference to 'self-confessed paedophile' as written above in this talk section) is the result of the effort of a very small number of people - or only one person, perhaps - who seeks to malign Mr. Epstien. Full disclosure: I did not know who Jeffrey Epstein was and had never heard of him until I came to this article today to find out who he was, this after reading a news article on BBC that mentioned him.[[Special:Contributions/174.88.96.104|174.88.96.104]] ([[User talk:174.88.96.104|talk]]) 03:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
I get the feeling that the reference to Epstien's conviction for soliciting prostitution (and, the later revision and reversion of that reference to 'self-confessed paedophile' as written above in this talk section) is the result of the effort of a very small number of people - or only one person, perhaps - who seeks to malign Mr. Epstien. Full disclosure: I did not know who Jeffrey Epstein was and had never heard of him until I came to this article today to find out who he was, this after reading a news article on BBC that mentioned him.[[Special:Contributions/174.88.96.104|174.88.96.104]] ([[User talk:174.88.96.104|talk]]) 03:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

: Honestly, (without making accusations to anyone) I'm inclined to agree. I modified the introductory sentence as well just yesterday, but it was quickly [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeffrey_Epstein&oldid=640717102&diff=prev reverted] without a guideline or policy to back it. From the (little) that I've read, he's known for his funding towards scientists - some of which have won the Nobel Peace Prize (my edit summary about him winning it was inaccurate). This person isn't notable solely for his criminal conviction. I think WP:NPOV is best maintained with the "[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jeffrey_Epstein&diff=prev&oldid=588377213 sex offender]" part removed. [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue"> (talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 23:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


== Bill Clinton identified in lawsuit against his former friend and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein ==
== Bill Clinton identified in lawsuit against his former friend and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein ==

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Opening Sentence

Changed to: "Jeffrey Edward Epstein (born January 20, 1953) is an American financier, science and education philanthropist, and a self-confessed paedophile." He is at least as widely known for pleading guilty to soliciting sex from a minor as for his philanthropic endeavours, so this introductory sentence seems to me to strike the best balance.

below is a reply to the above unsigned change, which appears to have later been reverted to "Jeffrey Edward Epstein (born January 20, 1953) is an American financier and sex offender".

I would like to suggest that the opening sentence be changed to simply read ""Jeffrey Edward Epstein (born January 20, 1953) is an American financier, science and education philanthropist.", without any reference to his criminal conviction in this opening paragraph.

I suggest this for the following reasons:

1) It is uncommon for the opening sentence of an article describing any famous person to make reference to any criminal convictions, unless the person is famous only because of their conviction (for example, "John Dillinger was a bank robber"). The actor Tim Allen was convicted of drunk driving and cocaine offenses, this is not mentioned in his opening sentence. The entertainer Jay-Z has been convicted of stabbing, this is not mentioned in the opening sentence of his Wikipedia article. Similarly, the actor Christian Slater has been convicted of drunk driving, assault, possession of a firearm, and sexual assault, and this is not mentioned in the opening sentence of his Wikipedia entry. Heck, even the opening sentence for Adolf Hitler's bio in Wikipedia simply reads "Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party", and I think most people would agree that Hitler was a lot nastier a guy than Epstien or any of the other people I mentioned.

2) There is a full section within the main body of the article that describes his criminal convictions, what he did wrong, etc. in great detail.

I get the feeling that the reference to Epstien's conviction for soliciting prostitution (and, the later revision and reversion of that reference to 'self-confessed paedophile' as written above in this talk section) is the result of the effort of a very small number of people - or only one person, perhaps - who seeks to malign Mr. Epstien. Full disclosure: I did not know who Jeffrey Epstein was and had never heard of him until I came to this article today to find out who he was, this after reading a news article on BBC that mentioned him.174.88.96.104 (talk) 03:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Honestly, (without making accusations to anyone) I'm inclined to agree. I modified the introductory sentence as well just yesterday, but it was quickly reverted without a guideline or policy to back it. From the (little) that I've read, he's known for his funding towards scientists - some of which have won the Nobel Peace Prize (my edit summary about him winning it was inaccurate). This person isn't notable solely for his criminal conviction. I think WP:NPOV is best maintained with the "sex offender" part removed. ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 23:03, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Clinton identified in lawsuit against his former friend and pedophile Jeffrey Epstein

A Daily Mail article isn't sufficiently reliable for inclusion in an encyclopedia article. Rklawton (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This is getting bloated, and I am tempted to prune it back to The Jeffrey Epstein VI Foundation, which is the main page. Thoughts?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:53, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:58, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Epstein's web presence management

Some press releases issued by Jeffrey Epstein

173.162.252.241 (talk) 21:27, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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