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Father's Vocation

It says in the same paragraph that Harvard's dad was a Tavern owner and Butcher and Governor of a grammar school... Well, which was he?... Or is it possible he was all of the above?...--Agrofe 14:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC) YES ALL OF THE ABOVE Robert Harvard was all three; although the 'Queen's Head Inn' may not have been a 'tavern' as 'Inn' did not mean exclusively a drinking place. 'Butcher' would be best rendered as 'wholesale meat supplier' rather than shop-keeper. 'Governor' of a school in England then, and now, means 'trustee' and is not a paid position. He was also 'Warden' of the church (now the Cathedral) which was also un-remunerated. (Tony S)[reply]

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[1] for interesting assertions (esp. the barrelmaker), though it can't be considered a reliable source
H mag on dedication of window, or something

H mag on H himself page 44?

https://books.google.com/books?id=ty9YAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA195

"benefactor" vs "founder"

A benefactor is a person who helped something. A founder is someone who started something. They are not equivalent, and the phrasing "founder of", implies he was the one and only founder. Find another way to say this, please. A letter to the editor is not a reliable citation. - Denimadept (talk) 09:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, founder means someone who lays the foundation for someone, whether alone or with others. In fact, one online dictionary defines found (v) very helpfully as "to set up or establish on a firm basis or for enduring existence", which is precisely what JH did, as explained very nicely in the letter quoted -- which, coming from the secretary of the Harvard Corporation, who at the time was also planning the school's tercentenary celebration, is absolutely a reliable source.

"Founder of Harvard College" doesn't imply he was the one and only founder any more than "Investigator of X" would mean he was the one and only investigator of X. Anyway, all you're talking about is the section heading: the text says "John Harvard is therefore considered not the founder, but rather a founder, of the school, though the timeliness and generosity of his contribution have made him the most honored of these", and I don't know what could be any further from "one and only founder". We're certainly not going to change the section heading to ==One of the several founders of Harvard College==.

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 A benefactor is a person who helped something.  A founder is someone who started something.  They are not equivalent, and the phrasing "founder of", implies he was the one and only founder.  Find another way to say this, please. A letter to the editor is not a reliable citation. - [[User:Denimadept|Denimadept]] ([[User talk:Denimadept|talk]]) 09:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
+:No, ''founder'' means someone who lays the foundation for someone, whether alone or with others. In fact, one online dictionary defines ''found (v)'' very helpfully as "to set up or establish on a firm basis or for enduring existence", which is precisely what JH did, as explained very nicely in the letter quoted -- which, coming from the secretary of the Harvard Corporation, who at the time was also planning the school's tercentenary celebration, is absolutely a reliable source.
+:"Founder of Harvard College" doesn't imply he was the one and only founder any more than "Investigator of X" would mean he was the one and only investigator of X. Anyway, all you're talking about is the section heading: the text says "John Harvard is therefore considered not ''the'' founder, but rather ''a'' founder, of the school, though the timeliness and generosity of his contribution have made him the most honored of these", and I don't know what could be any further from "one and only founder". We're certainly not going to change the section heading to ==One of the several founders of Harvard College==.
+:[[User:EEng|EEng]] ([[User talk:EEng|talk]]) 15:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)