Talk:Baahubali: The Beginning

Primarily Telugu Version

The movie is not being two times. The movie is primarily shot in telugu and Additionally the dialogues are being made in Tamil also. Please discuss here if you disagree with my above statement. Marchoctober (talk) 19:31, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I disagree, as the lead states it is a bilingual, with a source. Kailash29792 (talk) 02:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I disagree. The film is a trilingual made simultaneously in Telugu, Tamil and Hindi. Rana said the same in a recent interview. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:55, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Its a Telugu movie, telugu Director and telugu heros.More importanly telugu producers. How can other languages especially tamils can claim it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.5.126.153 (talk) 23:06, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Simple. Watch the Tamil version and understand. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 02:12, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Here is the trusted Guardian Site, where it states it is a Telugu film dubbed into Tamil (Actually it is also made in Tamil to evade Tax from Tamil Nadu). People please give due credit to Telugu and stop being cheap and taking the credit for the work that has nothing to do with Tamil http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/12/baahubali-the-beginning-review-fantastic-bang-for-your-buck-in-most-expensive-indian-movie-ever-made — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pradeeps369 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

As i said before, watch the Tamil version and then you can understand. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 01:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

To the person who is asking to watch the Tamil version, who dubbed the voice of telugu hero prabhas in the tamil dubbed version. You will be surprised to know it was Surya who DUBBED the voice for prabhas. Does this not make it a dubbed film. Never thought Tamils will stoop to this level of taking credit for someone else film. A film is decided on which industry produced it. It is Telugu film industry which produced and presented the film.I can quote several references from leading news agencies. Forbes,Guardian,BBC, CNN to name a few here. Admins have to interfere in this matter as wrong information is being spread in wikipedia. Forbes Guardian BBC CNN

To the first point the same person mentioned there was an interview of Rana with Rajdeep Sardesai. Its a video conversation where he explicitly mentions that it is a TELUGU film and all Telugus should be proud of it. Here is the Video .

Request Tamil admins and reviewers to please refrain from this page edits. Aloosamosa (talk) 05:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Please go to the Youtube Channel "Baahubali Movie" Which is the official channel page for this movie. If you see the videos, only the telugu trailers & promos are presented under this channel. Eventhough they have other language trailers/ promos on their page, they are presented by their respective distribution companies unlike the Telugu version. isn't it evident that this done by telugu film insustry. Let us just identify the movie only by which film industry that produced it.

One more suggestion, let us add a section called Film Industry and credit it to Telugu film industry Pradeeps369 (talk) 03:38, 22 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep

Seems like a lot of assumption is required to arrive at this conclusion, Pradeeps. We need sources that say stuff explicitly, not sources that inspire us to draw conclusions. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:41, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok atleast can you add a column called " Industry - Telugu Film Industry" . This is evident right as Arka Media Works is based in Hyderabad, Telangana

Pradeeps369 (talk) 03:52, 22 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep

I don't understand what you're asking to add. A column? Where? And why? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:53, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Just below the Language section, can we please add a Section called "Industry" and put the reference as "Telugu Film Industry". Bcoz this film is produced in Telugu film industry although it was shot both Telugu and Tamil Pradeeps369 (talk) 04:49, 22 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep

I assume you're talking about adding content to the infobox, the large vertical box on the right of the screen, as you have tried to do here, here and here. Template:Infobox film has set parameters. We don't add new parameters to the infobox because the WikiProject Film community has already decided what information is important across various articles. We don't credit films to industries, we credit films to studios. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:55, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Pleas go trough the this article

<http://www.forbes.com/sites/saritharai/2015/07/20/look-whos-reaping-the-bonanza-from-baahubali-indias-most-expensive-film-ever/>

4th paragraph 4th line, it clearly states that the movie was produced by Telugu Cinema

Please give your comments after reading this.. you believe forbes right?

Pradeeps369 (talk) 05:00, 22 July 2015 (UTC)Pradeep

And here is one more article which reinforces my argument

<http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/baahubali-the-beginning-how-the-battle-epic-is-helping-tollywood-challenge-bollywoods-dominance-over-the-indian-film-industry-10402812.html>

Title and the 2nd paragarph (Clearly states its a Telugu film)

All of the above articles are from trusted sites

Pradeeps369 (talk) 05:07, 22 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep

What exactly is the information that you want to change? Are you trying to eliminate other languages from the Infobox? That doesn't seem intuitive if the film is simultaneously being produced in other languages. If you're just trying to get a mention of Tollywood in the article you might have more luck proposing an addition to a specific place in the article. I don't see a reasonable place to jam this content into the Infobox. Also, please indent your replies as I have done. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:17, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

My only point is either it is "simultaneously shot" or "dubbed" doesn't make a difference.it is released in multiple languages at the same time. But it is Primarly a Telugu Language film and let it just be that. Whats wrong in that, No other indian movie is mentioned that way, why just for this movie? is my question Pradeeps369 (talk) 05:23, 22 July 2015 (UTC) pradeep

@Cyphoidbomb The film is a product of Telugu film industry. Actors, directors, producers, technicians, VFX studios are all based our of Hyderabad. Sad to see there is no mention of Telugu film industry in this page. Any additions to include Telugu film industry is being reverted immediately. See the revenues the film earned in each language. The numbers speak for themselves what language the film belongs to. 60% of total revenues came from telugu states. See Taran Adarsh tweets in his twitter handle. . Please change the First line in the main section as Indian Telugu Epic film . That would give due credit to the telugu people who worked for this film for almost 3 years.

Some more references here: ForbesGuardianBBCCNNQUARTZGREATANDHRAHOLLYWOOD REPORTERAloosamosa (talk) 07:29, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Budget of Baahubali

All the reliable sources stated that the budget for both the parts collectively is ₹2.5 billion. I think it shall be mentioned only in Production of Baahubali and neither in the beginning nor in the conclusion as it would amount to factual errors despite being reliable. Please comment. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It's better your way. It also keeps the infobox clean. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Kailash. I assume this as a support. However, i think we have to seek much more opinions on such sensitive issues. @Ssven2, TheRedPenOfDoom, Krimuk90, Vensatry, and Dr. Blofeld: I require your feedback before i can go forward with. Hope you all shall respond within a reasonable time. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

• its something that should be in the lead in the Production article and therefore in the summary of the production section of both parts I and II. Whether or not it is in the infobox for Parts I and II as well, I dont care. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
  • And yes, it is such a basic relevant point of a business venture that it should also be in the lead of both Part I and II. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:47, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

That means, can i assume it a support? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:49, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It means I support the inclusion of the budget in the lead and body of all three articles and am agnostic about whether budget figures are included in the infobox. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:02, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

No problem with me. I agree with TRPOD and I too support. — Ssven2 ^{Speak 2 me} 13:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Now both of you users, please clean up the article. User:Arichuvadi is editing it in the most inappropriate ways, that involves reverting other users' edits. But since you both use Twinkle, you can get it right. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:11, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

We can. Now that the user is at WP:AN3, let the events unfold. Till then, the article can be cleansed to an extent only. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I Support putting information on all three pages There is enough evidence and supporting sources to include the information of the budget in the lead and infobox. Marchoctober (talk) 16:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I am wondering how does one verify the budget claims? Does the movie production company submit tax sheets to prove it? It looks like the budget claims are just word of mouth. The director might have said approximately a number and all articles are quoting it. There is no point in citing so many articles, they are basically useless. It is also same with those box office claims, they always cite a very high number, but never produce actual tax returns to prove it. Unfortunately, wiki has become a place where fans can come and claim whatever the figure and cite some source. I think wiki should ban writing the box office and budget claims, unless the movie production team provides tax returns. Rajkancherla (talk) 05:34, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 22 July 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 11:38, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

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Baahubali: The Beginning → Bāhubali: The Beginning – The film's title is spelled in posters as well as in the title card as Bāhubali and not Baahubali. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 06:04, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

• oppose per WP:COMMONNAME - the sources all use Baahubali-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:21, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose - per The Red Pen of Doom —Vensatry _(ping) 08:23, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• I second TRPoD and i too oppose. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:32, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per all sources. ƬheStrikeΣagle 14:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

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Bahubali The Beginning Budget

Bahubali the beginning part budget is ₹ 120 Cr. but in Wiki it is given ₹ 250 Cr. Rajamouli already told the budget of ₹ 250 Cr. is for both the parts. not first part. Please try to change the budget figures.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.254.92.197 (talk • contribs)

see above Talk:Baahubali:_The_Beginning#Budget_of_Baahubali -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:30, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Gross and Net Collection

• Bahubali Total worldwide collection NET OR GROSS?
• IN hindi dubbed version its net 70 crore .When its calcuted in gross its go to almost 100(because tax not less)

Baahubali is a Telugu movie

To the person who is saying it is bilingual, who dubbed the voice of telugu hero prabhas in the tamil dubbed version. You will be surprised to know it was Tamil actor Surya who DUBBED the voice for prabhas. Does this not make it a dubbed film. Never thought Tamils will stoop to this level of taking credit for someone else film. A film is decided on which industry produced it. It is Telugu film industry which produced and presented the film.I can quote several references from leading news agencies. Forbes,Guardian,BBC, CNN to name a few here. Admins have to interfere in this matter as wrong information is being spread in wikipedia.

Here is the trusted Guardian Site, where it states it is a Telugu film dubbed into Tamil (Actually it is also made in Tamil to evade Tax from Tamil Nadu). People please give due credit to Telugu and stop being cheap and taking the credit for the work that has nothing to do with Tamil http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/12/baahubali-the-beginning-review-fantastic-bang-for-your-buck-in-most-expensive-indian-movie-ever-made

Also they are including Telugu version collections in Tamil version which didn't even gross 50 crores from entire India and rest of the world in Tamil version and mentioning it is bilingual. I never thought Tamil will stoop to this level of taking credit for someone else film.

First time i'm seeing a movie which even didn't gross one-third Rs 50 crore(15%) of total collections in its original Tamil version is included in the list of Rs 401 crores gross that too by cheating and fooling people by including Rs 350 crores gross of Telugu version in Tamil version. -Padukati Raju

Your personal analysis to the contrary, we follow the multiple reliable sources Forbes to the Guardian to the Times of India to IBN to NDTV to The National which identify the film as bilingual Tamil / Telugu. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

After hearing multiple incarnations of this same general complaint, I still don't understand what Padukati Raju's (or the other editors') point is. Give credit to whom? A language? An ethnicity? We don't give film credits to languages or ethnicities. If it makes sense to say that the film was produced in "Tollywood" or whatever the correct nomenclature is, then maybe that should be mentioned, but this weird attempt at trying to change the facts is super-odd. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Some people take inordinate personal pride in whether or not their group within India is better than others. Note how in all of the posturing about numbers there isn't a single link to a source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Related RFC

There's an ongoing RFC at Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#RfC:_How_should_we_classify_Baahubali about how should we classify this film (namely Tamil and/or Telugu). I ask for people to comment there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Actually it has to be a Telugu film but it is Bilingual(Tamil and Telugu). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLxFLeiFURY At time 1:25 director told that team has to do corrections/edits for Tamil, Hindi and Malayalam(So, Telugu completed first). At 14:24 anchor asked that why he is making movie in Tamil also. Rajamouli replied that he did Eega movie in Tamil also along with Telugu and it became success in Tamil also, so he made it in Tamil also and taxation is also another reason for doing in Tamil also(otherwise he may do in Telugu only and dubs in Tamil). He also told that he wants to do in as many languages as possible, but is infeasible. So, I am sure that primary and for-sure is Telugu only. He had option to do it in Hindi/Tamil. He chosen Tamil for Taxation, Previous market etc., It is good if it is kept under Telugu movie. But from the property of Baahubali that it is a "bilingual" Tamil may also be added.

Pavan, this may interest you. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:01, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: I'm already done with it. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Plz Update The Collections

Bahubali 20 Days - 450 Crores

Source

http://m.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-box-office-collection-rajamouli-film-grosses-rs-450-crore-20-days-640947 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santhoshlee1 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Tollywood

In this edit I added content about the involvement of "Tollywood" to address the "Telugu film industry should get credit!" complaints. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:34, 29 July 2015 (UTC)