User talk:Ms Sarah Welch

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On our way to wikipedia's 100th Upanishad article

@Nvvchar: I now have enough WP:RS and manuscripts to complete Mandala-brahmana Upanishad, Mahavakya Upanishad, Trishikhibrahmana Upanishad and Turiyatitavadhuta Upanishad. If you would like to get started on any of them, please go ahead. Once these four are complete, we would have reached the 101st Upanishad, making wikipedia by far the most comprehensive reference on the Upanishads, thanks to the effort @Redtigerxyz and you started over a year ago. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Mahavakya Upanishad added. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:38, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Trishikhibrahmana Upanishad added. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:29, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Mandala-brahmana Upanishad added. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 04:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

• My inputs are complete for all the three.Nvvchar. 14:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Some people are not happy with my posting too many DYKs. I therfore request you to post these the following two Upanishads.Nvvchar. 04:39, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

... that the Mahavakya Upanishad asserts the nature of Atman (self, soul) and Brahman (ultimate reality) as identical and thar liberation is the state of fully understanding this identity?

... that the Trishikhibrahmana Upanishad presents non-dualist Vedanta ideas through Yoga practice with most of the Upanishad's discussion centered on Yoga?

@Nvvchar: Mahavakya and Trishikhibrahmana nominated. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:46, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Shaktism: Bhavana Upanishad

@Nvvchar: I started Bhavana Upanishad in my Sandbox. It is a stub-like article, and please feel free to add to it. As I mentioned earlier, once we are done with stub articles, we should invite someone to review and decide if they should be made live. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I have added some text. You may review its relevance. --Nvvchar. 14:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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Please have a look at this Tito Dutta (talk) 02:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Upanishad articles

Both these Upanishad articles look good to me. --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

GA nominations.

I propose to nominate this Kali-Saṇṭāraṇa Upaniṣad on GA for the GA Cup backlog clearance month in March. Please suggest a few others which could be nominated. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 04:04, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: For GA nominations, consider those articles where the content section is complete, and the main sources cited in the content section include Deussen, and/or Olivelle, and/or Ayyangar. These would mostly be the Sannyasa or Yoga Upanishads. For example, the Jabala Upanishad. The Manasollasa article is another possibility. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:15, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

• In both Jabala Upanishad and Manasollasa references in the lead need to be shifted. I can do it by repeating the text under History or content sections. Any views of that.Nvvchar. 13:36, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Dakshinamurti Upanishad

I have completed this User:Nvvchar/Dakshinamurti Upanishad.Nvvchar. 12:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: The source you used, by Ramamoorthy and Nome, states that the Dakshinamurti Upanishad has 34 verses plus the closing Shanti verse. The two manuscripts I am looking at, have just 20 (plus the Shanti verse in one manuscript). Here is a publicly available one with 20. I am trying to trace the 34 version manuscript. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:15, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I leave it to you to take a view to recast the article as required. Nome's book appealed to me Nvvchar. 13:39, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I updated Dakshinamurti Upanishad. That makes it the 103rd Upanishad article on wikipedia. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks. Please nominate with any appropriate hook of your choice.Nvvchar. 04:43, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
• My hook suggestion ... that the Dakshinamurti Upanishad asserts that Dakshinamurti (pictured) is an aspect of Shiva, who is within oneself as Atman (self, soul), and everything one does in daily life is an offering to Him?Nvvchar. 02:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

GA reviews in progress

Badami cave temples is under GA review. You may like to address a few issues.Nvvchar. 05:48, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• Posted on DYK here Template:Did you know nominations/Badami cave templesNvvchar. 05:57, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Possible candidates for GA

@Nvvchar: Consider these: Avyakta Upanishad, Tejobindu Upanishad, Advayataraka Upanishad, Atharvashiras Upanishad, Atharvashikha Upanishad, Amritabindu Upanishad, Kundika Upanishad, Brahma Upanishad, Paramahamsa Parivrajaka Upanishad, Hamsa Upanishad, Yoga-kundalini Upanishad, Maitreya Upanishad, Mantrika Upanishad, Aruneya Upanishad, Bhikshuka Upanishad and Pranagnihotra Upanishad. There are others which with a bit of copyediting and ref-harv-formating can be nominated, if you are willing to put the effort: Nyaya Sutras, Murti, Bhagavata Purana, Brahma Sutras, Guru, Arthashastra, etc Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 13:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• I am always willing to work on any topic related to religion. I will lost the Upanishads first. Nvvchar. 04:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Manasollasa GA

@Nvvchar: I see you nominated Mansollasa in the religion/philosophy section of GA listing. Should it be under Culture/Sociology section of the GA nomination page? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:18, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Changed.--Nvvchar. 13:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

The milestone: 108 out of 108 Upanishads

All 108 Upanishad articles are live.

@Nvvchar: I expect to work on Turiyatita and Tripuratapani in the coming days. I have not nominated some of the recently completed Upanishads to DYK. If you would like to, please feel free to nominate whichever you wish. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:04, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Tripuratapini Upanishad added. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:49, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• Is the text paro rajase savad -om in this reference relevant to include.--Nvvchar. 15:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Annapurna Upanishad added. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Rudrahridaya Upanishad added. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Shukarahasya Upanishad added. That was 107th. I am working on the 108th. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

• Turiyatitavadhuta Upanishad added. All 108 are live now. We still need to go back and check the quality/WP:RS on a few Upanishad articles created before 2015. With a bit of cleaning up, the Upanishads collection of wikipedia will be complete. @Nvvchar and @Redtigerxyz, you have reached an important milestone. Cheers, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:41, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

• Hearty congratulations. I will try to add some text. Badami cave temples is now GA. I suggest the following hook for the Annapurna Upanishad. ... that the Annapurna Upanishad describes Jivanmukti– achieving freedom in this life, and the characteristics of those (pictured) who reach self-knowledge?Nvvchar. 02:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta: Now would be good time to start thinking about that wikimedia blog on the Upanishads, you mentioned a while ago. Let me know if I can help @Nvvchar and you with the wiki-blog. Perhaps, Dr. Blofeld may have a few suggestions/sentences to contribute for your wiki-blog? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Sarah and User:Nvvchar, I have started drafting questions here, please start by answering: User:Titodutta/Recognition/Upanishad. --Tito Dutta (talk) 06:52, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Congrats on starting them all!! I don't know about commenting in blogs but I think it would be good to get these articles all up to GA status. You could make this a WP:Good topic.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Titodutta:, @Dr. Blofeld: Thanks. Will work on it. Your guidance and words of encouragement are appreciated. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

If you want me to review any for GA let me know.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:11, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Your critical review/comments will be a huge help. Will keep you posted. Thanks, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:08, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Upanishads Barnstar

	Upanishads Barnstar
	Great work on Upanishads-related articles. You deserve a barnstar. Tito Dutta (talk) 08:38, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:05, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Selecting a few new Upanishad articles for DYK

@Nvvchar: Let us pick one or two from these 5 for DYK.

• Tripuratapini Upanishad

• Is the text paro rajase savad -om in this reference relevant to include.--Nvvchar. 15:52, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

@Nvvchar: which reference? Generally, I discourage quote-farming and snippet addition from any primary text, unless the context/significance is also included from reliable sources, and the addition is WP:DUE or notable. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:05, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• Sorry, I missed posting the reference. This is is the reference[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nvvchar (talk • contribs)

@Nvvchar: Thanks. The source looks non-RS, lets leave that text/phrase out. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 03:12, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

• Annapurna Upanishad
• Rudrahridaya Upanishad
• Shukarahasya Upanishad
• Turiyatitavadhuta Upanishad

I suggest Turiyatita, you pick one. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 16:05, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• You have covered all the above four Upanishads very well. I do not have much to add but recorded my presence. I suggest the following two hooks.Nvvchar. 16:20, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

...that the Turiyatitavadhuta Upanishad states that Avadhutas are the highest liberated Hindu monks (pictured) who are an incarnation of knowledge, of detachment and of inner purity?

...that the Annapurna Upanishad describes Jivanmukti– achieving freedom in this life, and the characteristics of those (pictured) who reach self-knowledge?

Adding WP:UNDUE content to Bhakti Movement page

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive, until the dispute is resolved through consensus. Continuing to edit disruptively could result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. The arti with candles is not mainstream as only a few sikhs do it. You cannot put something that is practiced by a few sects allegedly and say it represents the mainstream. You have been warned before and know that his does not represent the mainstream. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of referenced content

Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Article, without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Thank you.

You made no mention to why you deleted "While Sikhism incorporated hymns from the Bhakti poet saints, according to Raj Pruthi, it was not simply an extension of the Bhakti movement, and Sikhism disagreed with some of the views of Kabir and Ravidas which include Sikhs believing in achieving blissful mukhti while alive, Sikhs placing emphasis on the path of the householder, Sikhs disbelief in Ahinsa, and the Sikhs afterlife aspect of merging with God rather than a physical heaven." Jujhar.pannu (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Article Distortion

Aside from the things mentioned on the Bhakti movement talk page with your text suggesting that "alternative to Sikhism, Hinduism has a nirguni and sarguni bhakti." suggesting Sikhism doesn't have nirguni and sarguni bhakti even after shown with citations why you are further distorting Sikhism by adding "Bhagti, Kirtan and Ardās is an important tradition within some sects of Sikhism. " I do not think there are any Sikhs anywhere that do not practice Bhakti, Kiran or Ardas. Write carefully and clearly to avoid these mistakes. Jujhar.pannu (talk) 22:05, 8 March 2016 (UTC)