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Nicknames

I do not know why Bionic William is puting nicknames, just b/c TNA has it that doesn't mean WWE should people are not stupid they know who the animal is and the samoan bulldozer.....etc

this is so stupid, is not necessary

User:JustMaria

I just think it proper to have both the TNA & WWE Rosters to have the same format as far as names go. {please debate on Project talk page} BionicWilliam 20:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

see u think, just leave it like how it was that isn't necessary so i am deleting it, isn't this the talk page

User:JustMaria

I'm just voicing my opinions Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional wrestling#Roster Help

Aleast keep, Ric Flair, Shawn Micheals, Jerry Lawler, Jim Duggan with there nicknames BionicWilliam 20:14, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I never deleted Jim Duggan nickname. fine let's leave it like that, i am glad we came to an agreement

User:JustMaria

I think the nicknames are pointless, might as well put there gimmick beside each wrestler. Its pointelss

I ALSO THINK THAT THE NICKNAMES ARE POINTLESS, EVEN THOUGH THAT'S THERE RINGNAME IT ISN'T NECESSARY

please sign your comments. I also added Aron Stevens, Chris Masters, and Ted DiBiase. BionicWilliam 20:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that not all nicknames should be there. The ones that are there now are perfect. --Dubhagan 21:53, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Nicknames shouldn't be there, they make the roster look messy. Maybe we should also put previous ring names oh and also have there real middle names...(sarcastic)..See theres not really a point besides making it look extended and messy...Jigsaw12 21:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok I agree with Dubhagan he brings a point ... If a superstar is called that name by others on Tv such as sometimes people refer to Shawn Michaels as HBK or Ric Flair as Nature Boy than it should be included on this roster... But names like worlds largest love machine.. no one calls him that ... sometimes they call him Vis... but thats just a play on name not a nickname. --Jigsaw12 22:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

And that is what I was getting at with liking the list as it was. Michaels, Flair, Coachman, Duggan, Lawler, Masters, Moore, Layfield and Mizanin (and Compton and Stevens in OVW) are never mentioned without their nicknames. The others... their nicknames aren't as integrated with their ring name as the one's I've mentioned. --Dubhagan 03:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the nicknames should be there, even if they are used a lot in the WWE. It isn't actually part of the wrestling name. Putting the nicknames just makes the page look bad. Crazy4metallica 18:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, some nicknames are part of the ring name. --Dubhagan 23:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

We've already debated this and came to an agreement on it. --Jigsaw12 15:10, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Quiet Jigsaw. Nicknames and ring names are not the same. For example, Michael Hickenbottom's ringname is Shawn Michaels, not "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels. TJ Spyke 00:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm just saying if the TNA Roster can have nicknames so can the WWE Roster. Just to make sure the conform. BionicWilliam 00:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the TNA Roster should include nicknames either, but every time I remove them somebody just puts them back. TJ Spyke 00:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Clearing Up Inactive

This is what i've read on wrestlingexposed.com about the following superstars. (I'm NOT saying change the roster or anything i'm just saying you should look into it and i'm pretty sure i'm right about all these but i'm leaving up to you becuase I could be wrong.)

Super Crazy - Medical problems (WWE found something in his blood they didn't agree with but not too bad to the point of suspension, Hes in the catagory of Bobby Lashley and The Great Khali.)

Kid Kash - On a further update he has been suspended.

Jamie Noble - He has been taking off the road due to Kid Kash being his tag team partener.

Matt Hardy - Being taken off the road soon, there hasn't been a reason issued yet.

--Jigsaw12 22:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Kid Kash isn't suspended, he is taking care some personal issues thats going to last about 30 days that website sometimes has false info.

User:JustMaria

Yeah, thats why I didn't edit the article I only post stuff in discussion to be explored and debated. --Jigsaw12 22:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

pwinsider.com has reported that Paul Burchill is being sent down to a developmental roster. You can see this if you click on looking at a shrinking smackdown roster on their headlines. (I'm saying change the article i'm justsaying check it out) --Jigsaw12 22:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but right now he's still injured. When he returns from injury to OVW, then he can be moved there. --Dubhagan 03:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Just wondering if Matt Hardy being inactive is a rumour...Hes on this weeks Smackdown he wrestles Sylvester Turkay or whatever his name is. --Jigsaw12 03:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

That'll be his last appearance. According to his official website, he still has strains of the staph infection he had a while ago, so he's taking some time off to fully rid his body of it. He won't be gone long. --Dubhagan 03:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright thanks for clearing that up --Jigsaw12 03:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

He was in a dark match on smackdown does that mean he hasn't been taken off the road or was that his last appearance? --Jigsaw12 06:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Probably last appearance. Like Hardy, he was only there because of the PPV two days before. --Dubhagan 22:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

What happened? I saw nothing on WWE.com about him or Angle's suspension.

I'm not sure if Khali has liver problems I think its something eles...

What the fuck else could there be?

I heard there's a possible Hepatitis C epidemic going around the SD! locker room which would explain the increased liver enzymes. I hope this isn't the case cuz Bobby Lashley and Super Crazy have lots of potential. Debt Jr.

Hardcore Holly is returning soon (source [1]) BionicWilliam 03:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Tatanka is dealing with personal issues

User:chris2038win

ECW

I'm a little behinde but how do you know that Matt Styker, Deuce Shade, and Chris Hamrick are going to ECW? --

PWInsider is reporting that Matt Striker and Hardcore Holly are in ECW now. Any clearification on this

Jigsaw12 20:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• Don't put them on the roster. Wait until WWE officially announces it. Internet sites are reliable at times, but still aren't always reliable. RobJ1981 04:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Listing Real Name

Does anyone else think maybe we should get rid of the real names in parenthesis. I think it looks kind of bad that since some people use their real name, it's not next to them. It looks inconsistant and ugly. Crazy4metallica 19:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right. Besides, if people want their real names, they can look in the article.--Yugioh73036 02:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)Yugioh73036

Real Names are needed so new vistors can learn that they have real names, plus it's to tell the diffence between seperate people with the same name (ex. the Kane storyline from earlier this month). Plus its an unwritten rule that pro wrestling rosters have the real names next to them.

we're keeping the real names --Jigsaw12 15:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

but the rosters on wwe.com don't have the real name so how is that a rule Crazy4metallica 10:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

That's because WWE follows kayfabe, we don't. --Dubhagan 19:08, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Smackdown Divas Tag Team

shouldn't we put Jillian and Ashley as a tag team also with Kristal and Michelle McCool under ther stables and tag team?

JustMaria 02:15, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they are going to be a full-time tag team. I believe there just doing heel vs. face diva matches. You know kinda like how the heel divas on raw vs. the face divas on raw...--Jigsaw12 15:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Jamie and Jake

They are both inactive for the same reason, but their notes are different. Though it is minor, shouldn't we be consistent? RedvBlue 12:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

One of the Gymini is injured and the other one has been taken off the road due to being teamed with the injured superstar. --Jigsaw12 15:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The note for Jamie is: "Taken off the road since he's teaming with Kash". The note for Jake is "Last appearance was on the May 12 edition of Smackdown!". These are two completely different notes, even though they are inactive for the same reason. I am asking for there to be consistency. RedvBlue 16:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've edited it but it might not look good. Maybe you can leave what you want it to say or do it yourself? ok we've came to an agreement on consistency. --Jigsaw12 18:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Inactive

From now on I propose that the talent on the inactive list, should have their condition and when they are returning. If the return date is not available than leave it out. --Jigsaw12 00:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone have details regarding Kid Kash, Jamie Noble, Tatanka being inactive or are they active?

Tatanka wrestled at this weeks SD! taping, so you'll see him wrestle on Friday. Not sure about Kash and Noble. --Dubhagan 01:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

*sigh* Thought Kash was suspended? He is inactive. Not sure about Noble, he might be fighting singles matches at house shows. I think you're proposal Jigsaw, is rather redundant considering we don't add false dates or add rumors anyways. — Moe Epsilon 01:39 August 02 '06

Yeah, I get we don't post false dates and rumors. Although the page isn't consistant with that statement... Seeing how people switch from active to inactive without full confirmation everyday. Maybe we should start putting wrestlers inactive only when confirmed by WWE or another source that isn't just rumor speculation. For example a highly respected reporter from pwinsider.com... But still than what they know could be false as some of the time it is. --Jigsaw12 02:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• I don't like the inactive section already. People posted spoilers about people debuting soon. When will people learn? If it hasn't aired on TV yet, it doesn't belong posted. It's not hard to wait. RobJ1981 20:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Francine Fournier

why is francine being put on the managers section she not managing anyone for now why is she put on the managers section she should be put on the female wrestlers section.

She hasn't wrestled yet. So it is uncertain that she will be a female wrestler. In my opinion, I would indeed have this site set up way different. But I am willing to work with what I got and I think she should be put on other on-air talent list. I would list her on Female wrestlers though just because its obvious she is. --Jigsaw12 02:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I put her under Other on air talent. --Dubhagan 03:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Shannon Moore

Ok, Shannon Moore should be inactive for the simple reason your not going to turn on ECW and see him wrestle. Your going to see him cutting promos to hype his debut into ECW. --Jigsaw12 03:09, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Clearing Up & Discussing Inactive Talent

I purpose these rules.. Rule One: Talent shall be considered inactive while they cut promo videos. Rule Two: If the reason why talent is inactive is only rumor and nothing can be confirmed, it shall be read as Taken off road for unknown reasons. This will stop rumors from spreading and false claims being put on the page. Rule Three: All changes should be put Editing Talk (Discussion) and have clear reasonings for the changes. This will stop confussion and editing wars. --Jigsaw12 03:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Lock the Page

I think the page should be protected. Due to random editors thinking what they think should be on the page. --Jigsaw12 03:54, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

SD! inactive

Ok, I just watched SD! here in Canada, and even though there were reports last week that Tatanka and referee Jim Korderas were pulled off the road, they were both on SD! this week. I'm confused. What's the deal? --James Duggan 02:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

REbecca DiPietro

So is REbecca officially signed by WWE? or not because at wwe.com they said that Rebecca was going to take part of the training in DSW, should we add her to the roster?

17:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I am adding Rebecca inactive list under the Deep South roster list since this is what it said over at wwe.com

'Although Rebecca DiPietro and Maryse Ouellet did not win the 2006 $250,000 Diva Search, neither is complaining now. DiPietro was hired by WWE to attend Deep South Wrestling (DSW) in Atlanta. She’s currently preparing to relocate to Georgia to find an apartment and to take part in training. '

JustMaria 17:16, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy

Jeff Hardy has signed with WWE. --Jigsaw12 18:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

For those wondering Jeff Hardy is listed under the heading "Unassigned talent". 216.78.95.111 22:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

When did a promo for him air on RAW?

Keep watching, RAW's on a one hour tape delay in Canada, now that it's on The Score. --James Duggan 03:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

o ok but when did it air i wanna know. WWE.com already confirmed a bunch of things for me.

Any second now. Gerweck.net says it airs right after Orton/Lawler, probably after the commercial break. --James Duggan 03:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

There it is, so i guess Jeff ain't going to ECW or they would promo for him in ECW right?

Not sure, it doesn't specify RAW specifically. We'll have to wait and see if it airs during ECW or SD! this week. --James Duggan 03:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I assume he's returning to RAW, but they may have just wanted to let as many people know as possible that he's returning so that's why they aired it tonight. TJ Spyke 03:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• I'm getting sick of people adding Jeff Hardy to the Raw list. He isn't officially on Raw. A promo on Raw means nothing really. He could easily turn up somewhere else. RobJ1981 16:25, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Me too, people are going to keep this up though until Jeff does make his debut. It's pretty annoying. TJ Spyke 17:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy only had a returning promo on Raw. I would say its safe to say we can put him on the Raw inactive list. Jigsaw12 20:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is, we still don't know for sure he will return to the RAW roster and should stay in the unassigned list for now. TJ Spyke 20:27, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

If he's not returning to RAW then why only show his promo on RAW and not the other brands? --James Duggan 20:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

He probably will return to RAW, but we don't know for sure. That's why he shouldn't be listed under RAW yet. TJ Spyke 21:38, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Now that it's official that he is returning to RAW we can stop worring about the trolls moving him. TJ Spyke 02:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Where is it confirmed that Hardy is going to Raw Crazy4metallica

Tonight on RAW a video promo aired again and at the end it said "Jeff Hardy Coming to RAW Next Monday". TJ Spyke 05:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Can we stop with the editing of when he is returning? Why does it matter if it's August 21 or the next Raw? It's the SAME thing. Everyone knows the next Raw is August 21, so I see no problem with listing it as the next Raw. Get over it already. RobJ1981 19:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

To make it clear for people. TJ Spyke 19:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• Either way is clear. Basically everyone knows Raw is on Monday, so it's obvious the next edition is on August 21. I highly doubt many non-wrestling fans are going to go the roster page and be like "When is the next Raw?!?! I must see Jeff Hardy return". RobJ1981 19:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I recommend that we take Jeff of the RAW roster. He has not been added to the RAW roster on WWE.com

Cade/Murdoch and London/Kindrick

I have combinded there names so it would link to the Team Articles since the have no real team names BionicWilliam 22:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

?? No real tag name? There name is Cade and Murdoch not Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch, hence there is an article called Cade and Murdoch. 216.78.95.111 22:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It a combo of there names. There are not known by anything other then the last names. Plus I just wanted to make it so the team articles wern't orphan. BionicWilliam 22:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I realize it was a combo of the two. The removal of thier team articles would not make it an orphan per se. Plus, I wasn't removing it. 216.78.95.111 22:38, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to make sure some newb wouldn't recreate the artcles under a diffent name. If combining them wont do, we should atleast edit them back as they where BionicWilliam 22:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Which article would they recreate? Wouldn't a redirect to it help? 216.78.95.111 22:46, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I mean if a newb would create an article name Lance Cade & Trevor Murdouch/[[Brian Kendrick/Paul London instead BionicWilliam 23:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, then we create redirects. :) Lance Cade & Trevor Murdoch and Paul London & Brian Kendrick 216.78.95.189 00:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

This is why I hate when WWE doesn't give tag teams names. They should just go ahead and call London/Kendrick "The Hooligans", and maybe call Cade/Murdoch "Southern Country"(Murdoch being Southern and Cade being COuntry). TJ Spyke 00:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Cade & Murdoch went by the name "TNT" early on in OVW but I wouldn't suggest we use that now. Mattlore 01:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

There name is Cade & Murdoch, look at WWE.com, in Lance Cade's profile, it says Cade & Murdoch. If WWE.com confirms it, then it means that's what there name is.--MonkeyKid 23:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The two teams have no names, leave it at that. WWE.com can list it at whatever, but the fact of the matter is: they have no official name. Until they do, leave it alone. RobJ1981 00:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleaning Up Inactive List

The inactive list is very messy and needs to be fixed. I thought that this article didn't post rumors and speculation. We shouldn't post rumors about why the person is inactive unless reported by WWE source. As you may already know we posted Tatanka and Jim Korderas as inactive when they never where inactive, it was just reported by "insider sites" that arn't right sometimes. From now on we should post "Taken off road for unknown reasons" if and WWE source hasn't indicated otherwise. We seriously need to put an end to posting wrong information, rumors, speculation and stuff people just think should be there or what they think is happening. --Jigsaw12 02:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

WWE sources include; WWE Programing, WWE Website, WWE Magazine, WWE Live Events, WWE Promotions, WWE 24/7, WWE PPV, WWE Events, WWE House Shows, and WWE Supershows. Also may include WWE Superstars websites and reliable direct information from a wrestling reporter, such reporters may be contacted at pwinsider.com. Only when full confirmation from a reporter, information maybe considered possible for posting on this article.

I am discussing on how we should treat returning injured talent. I think they should remain inactive till they debute on television, because we don't consider new talent that wrestle dark matches active.--Jigsaw12 02:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Should we consider new talent consistantly wrestling at house shows as "Debuting soon" or "Wrestling at house shows" ?

Maybe "Wrestling at house shows" is OK since it doesn't mean they will debut soon. I remember watching The Highlanders wrestle a dark match at a SmackDown taping last summer and they didn't debut until a few weeks ago. TJ Spyke 07:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Would we put Jeff Hardy on the SmackDown inactice cause i heard thats were he is going.

Im gonna start a signed list for superstars who dont have a brand yet.

I read the article about Ashley being injured, with her broken knuckle. At the end of the article it says she won't miss a bit of action, so that leaves me to believe that she is not inactive and will work through the injury with the cast.--Jigsaw12 03:18, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

The only problem with only using "official WWE information" is that WWE will sometimes completely ignore it to the public when a wrestler is taken off the road. I don't remember WWE saying anything about the status of Renee Dupree other than when they noted that they hadsigned a new contract with him. Same for the Bashams. WWE does have a habit, with its lower card wrestlers, of them just disappearing with nothing being confirmed by WWE publicly.70.130.159.41 16:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

At time of writing, Massaro is currently in the 'Other on-air talent' section. I think that she should be in the inactive section, with a note saying that she is still appearing on TV. The word "other" from 'Other on-air talent' suggests that the inactive wrestlers are on TV, anyway. It is possible that the best way to solve any issues in which people fit into more than one category could be to put everybody on each roster in tables. RedvBlue 22:34, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

• Ashley belongs in inactive (so hopefully no one changes that). Since her injury, she hasn't appeared on Smackdown (I don't think...), yet a note on there for a while said "still appearing on television". Which seemed to be a lie. RobJ1981 20:15, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, her injury happened during last weeks SD!, so there hasn't been a SD! yet for her to miss. Plus she worked the Diva Search Finals on Wednesday. --James Duggan 21:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

• Wrong. Ashley was injured on August 4, she has missed all Smackdowns since then. Appearing at the Diva Search finals was one appearance. RobJ1981 19:58, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Was it Aug. 4? My how time flies. It didn't seem like that long ago. --James Duggan 22:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Victoria Crawford

Why where Victoria Crawford's name is by her its says Tori is that a stage name or is that how she is going as her name or a stage name given by WWE, can somebody answer that for me THANKS.

A few weeks ago she accompanied Elijah Burke to the ring on OVW TV and her name was listed as Tori. --James Duggan 00:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

What is up with Kristal Marshall?

She's had two new pictures on the official site in a week. and now her profile is not on the official Smackdown roster? Is she not there anymore?

Don't trust the official WWE site, they aren't always accurate. They sometimes forget to take down pictures, as well as deleting things by accident sometimes.

Could have been a hacker. --James Duggan 01:17, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

WWE does make some mistakes, her profile will probably be back up by tomorrow morning. TJ Spyke 03:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Her profile's back up. --James Duggan 15:52, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Managers/valets section

I think we could do away with it. Many of the female valets are also wrestlers so it could be confusing to people. --James Duggan 02:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

u think! so that doesn't mean u have to do it, i think we should stick with the valets section, it makes no sense a valet under the female wrestlers list so i do not agree, as for know i am going to revert it until we all agree what are we going to do

JustMaria 03:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, hello, most valets are also wrestlers. About an hour ago someone put Melina under Female Wrestlers even though she was still listed under Valets. Since the Managers/Valets lists are small, and that there might be confusion as to where they are Valets or Female wrestlers, I feel we should do away with that section. --James Duggan 03:30, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

umm, yea i know but right now they are VALETS, not FUll-TIME wrestlers, those are stupid people that is y i want the WWE roster list locked, b/c they put stupid stuff, like this user was putting the full house cast on the female wrestlers list, and there is no confusion, that is y it says OCCASIONAL WRESTLERS

JustMaria 03:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

What about putting the ones that wrestle sometimes under females wrestlers and other like Kelly Kelly in other on air talent. And beside the ones that are valents pu the - Valent of Johnny Nitro or - Valent of Edge --Jigsaw12 05:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

no that is fine how it is

JustMaria 20:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Why do you think it's fine how it is? --James Duggan 21:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

because it's much easier for readers to tell who are managers and valets are just leave it like that and do not change, none of us is going to change this, just leave it do not touch it.

JustMaria 02:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

They'll still say who they manage beside their name so what difference will it make? James Duggan 01:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I some what favor the idea, for an all female section with some exceptions ie Sharmell and Kelly. But they could just be put in other on-air talent with valent of so n' so beside them. And for the females have what eles they do like melina valent as Nitro in the female section. Jigsaw12 18:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

That's what I'm saying, but Maria won't have it. And just to confuse the issue even more, now Lita's the Women's champ, but wait, isn't she a valet? It's situations like this I was trying to avoid. James Duggan 01:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh look, Lita's Women's champ. So should she be listed under Managers/valets or Female wrestlers? This is the type of thing I was trying to avoid. If they valet and wrestle, put them as a wrestler with who they valet beside their name (we have to do that anyway). Non-wrestling managers/valets go under Other on-air talent. Solves any confusion. James Duggan 01:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I've made the changes again. If we leave it some editors are gonna put wrestling valet's under female wrestlers because of Lita being under female wrestlers because she's the Women's champ. James Duggan 01:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• In my opinion, it should just be male and female wrestlers. No valet section (list people like Daivari, etc under other on-air talent). Almost all female valets wrestle, so there will be edit wars of where to place them. A note by female wrestlers that are also valets/managers would be alot easier. RobJ1981 01:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

That's the best idea so far. And it will make the page read easier in my opinion.Freebird Jackson 01:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

More Inactive

Wheres the confirmation of Rob Conway being inactive, we dont post rumors or possible false information. Also Kristal Marshall hasn't been reported as inactive by any source and shouldn't be inactive on our list till more information is given. --Jigsaw12 05:25, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

People please DO NOT jump the gun on every little rumor you hear we only post confirmed information. --Jigsaw12 05:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Just because Conway hasn't been featured on Heat for a week don't mean he's inactive. It hasn't been reported bye anyone yet user:chris2038win 8/8/06

I know he's been wrestling in OVW doing houseshows against Eugene. --James Duggan 06:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Conway wrestled a dark match before RAW this week, he teamed up with Charlie Haas to take on Neighborhoodie and Shad Gaspard of OVW. TJ Spyke 17:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Basham

Did they wrestle on ECW? If they did shouldn't they be on the main roster and not other talent?

They do house shows, but not TV yet, so it doesn't count. --James Duggan 04:41, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Roadkill has a new name

He is now called Braddock. At the August 13 OVW house show he debuted as that name. Has he been in ECW lately or not? I think his name should be moved to OVW, if he hasn't even wrestled for ECW for a while. Here are some pics of his new look (if anyone is interested):

http://www.geocities.com/harassler/Braddock1.JPG http://www.geocities.com/harassler/BraddockChet2.JPG

He hasn't been on TV in a few weeks, I think he has wrestled some dark matches though. TJ Spyke 21:19, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok well lets just leave his name as Roadkill, its posted as that on the ECW roster page at wwe.com. Its the safest way to avoid posting something thats not offical yet. Although we might be able to move him to inactive with the reasoning being working on a new gimmick. Jigsaw12 18:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

• I moved Roadkill to inactive. I checked ECW results: he hasn't wrestled on-air since June 27. I'm pretty sure he hasn't worked any house shows. He should remain in the inactive section until he returns. His listing on the ECW page certainly isn't enough to make him active (just in case people use that as a reason to list him under male wrestlers again) RobJ1981 05:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Roadkill has been removed from the ECW roster at wwe.com Jigsaw12 05:18, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Road Kill's status

Just because Road Kill was removed from the wwe.com profiles doesn't mean he was released. Do not remove him unless you can confirm this by outside sources that specifically say he was released. — Moe Epsilon 19:04 August 19 '06

For those wondering, Road Kill, now confirmed, is now back in OVW and is going to be using the name "Braddock". Furture plans have him going to the RAW brand but that is unconfirmed at this time. — Moe Epsilon 02:14 August 20 '06

No one said he was released from wwe lol we just said he was moved from the ecw roster Jigsaw12 02:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

The first time I checked the roster page to move Road Kill off of the ECW roster to the inactive, someone had completley removed him from the article, he wasn't in the OVW roster, ECW roster nor the inactive, thus my message above about removing people altogether. — Moe Epsilon 00:20 August 21 '06

Simon Dean no longer a wrestler?

He got a new job in WWE, and it says he may no longer be a wrestler anymore.

http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1155098637.shtmlMonkeyKid 00:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying this is official but I believe he now runs OVW. It could be professional or kayfabe. Jigsaw12 18:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I doubt this site is kayfabe considering it uses Simon Dean's real name and normally with on-air talent that is under kayfabe try to maintain the illusion of thier stage name is thier real name (hopefully that made since). I'm adding Dean to OVW's backstage talent or relative section he best fits under. — Moe Epsilon 01:32 August 18 '06

I actually thought the others section at the bottom is more appropriate considering he is working at WWE Headquarters as the Head of Developmental Territory Talent Relations, which was Tommy Dreamer's former job. — Moe Epsilon 01:40 August 18 '06

Insider Sites

I'd just like to remind some people that most insider sites are not always right. For the most part alot of them post wrong information often and are correcting themselves alot. So far from what i've learned is that pwinsider.com is probably the most accurate site although not 100%. They do have respected reporters and a good way of answearing many questions we may have. So some of you that arn't sure should contact them if your out of ideas. Jigsaw12 18:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC) Reminding you that not everything you read on the internet is true..

King Booker's Court

I don't think this group is still together. Finlay and Regal hasn't been seen with Booker since GAB. --James Duggan 00:51, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

True. That stable is over. Not exactly sure about the situation with Regal/Finlay though. Ever since the fight between Regal/Finlay for the United States Championship, things haven't exactly been the same there either. I don't think they qualify as a stable yet. — Moe Epsilon 15:39 August 19 '06

Super Crazy

Ok, I'm pretty sure Super Crazy wasn't taken off road for elevated enzymes of the liver. For one reason everyone eles that had that was cleared in about 48 hours. Super Crazy has been gone for a while i'm putting him to taken off road for unknown reasons. Plus there is no confirmation from any source that he has elevated enzymes. So i'm just stopping rumors from spreading. Jigsaw12 02:35, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Jigsaw, don't remove things that doesn't "seem logicial" or "meet your standards". There are sources that say that Super Crazy was taken off the road for elevated enzymes of the liver [2] [3] so removing because you don't think anyone could be out that long is irrational. — Moe Epsilon 17:47 August 20 '06

ok sure, everything you read on the internet must be true... What you dont understand is that there is always something more or something people dont know about why this person is off road. Most sites post information that isn't always correct, just because you like the site and its right most of the time doesn't mean its true. Also Super Crazy is being considered for ECW. So, i'm pretty sure his liver problems are done with. Also i actually know what i'm talking about you just read stuff on the internet and spew it back out and hope it to be true. Jigsaw12 20:34, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

What you don't understand is Wikipedia is based on verifiability. True, some sites aren't right, and some sites are just plain unreliable, but when I could provide 20 links (I could if I wanted to) to prove what I'm saying is true, then its verifiable. Half of the links I cite aren't one's I like, or particularly view half of the time. I'm not saying some of the sites I cite are always true, because thier not, but it was confirmed by quite a few websites that he was absent for this reason. If he's being considered for ECW, then cite it, add it, and be done with it. You can't remove claims that are verifiable and replace them reasons saying "thier unknown" when you know that there are claims that he's still inactive because of it. If he's not inactive because of his liver anymore, prove it, give an external link that's worth citing and replace it with a more up-to-date reason, otherwise, he's still inactive for the same reason. If you can prove me wrong, I'll be more than happy to replace the text I wrote and replace it with yours, but as it stands, you haven't given me anything to work with but your personal opinions. — Moe Epsilon 22:00 August 20 '06

I disagree with part of Moe's statement. Just because sites list him as going to ECW (or wherever), doesn't mean it will be true. Wrestling sites are reliable (to a point), but that doesn't make them a decent source for upcoming things in wrestling. I don't see any harm at all to just leave Super Crazy alone until WWE confirms something officially. There is no need for rumors to be posted by each person, just because sites have them posted. Wikipedia isn't a crystal ball, it's about the facts...not possible things. RobJ1981 00:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't the one who suggested that the article mention his possible move to ECW, Jigsaw was. I said that if he wanted to add that, that he needed to cite it properly and make sure the source(s) was reliable or that more than one media outlet was confirming this move. I personally haven't seen anything that suggested he was moving to ECW, so I don't know where he was getting his information. If you didn't get it before, I hope I clarified here. — Moe Epsilon 19:53 August 21 '06

First off I never posted super crazy was goign to ECW on the article. Just for the same reason you shouldn't post elevated enzymies. We only post stuff on the true side of the facts, and the fact remains you have no proff that he has elevated enzymes. I've seen a number of different reasons why he is gone. (And we don't post all of them) So its better safe than sorry when posting information. Thats why i change it to unknown reasons. Ok Moe... So once you see another rumor and your happy with it just post it all over the page and make it look like a gossip hole. So you know thats whats best for the site ... pfff Jigsaw12 04:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Kid Kash

I'm changing personal issues to unknown reasons, just for the fact that its not specific and Super Crazy and Joey mercury can be considered personal issues. So i'm keeping it consistant and just having it say unknown reasons. Jigsaw12 02:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Teacher's Pets

• I don't think this is their official name. I remember Michelle McCool calling them that (when they first debuted), but since then.. I don't think that name has been used. Can anyone confirm this? I looked at the WWE website, and didn't see the Teacher's Pets name listed, when I checked a few days ago. If it isn't used now, it shouldn't be listed as their name. RobJ1981 02:30, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit Reverts

Did anyone see the edit reverts done by Moe Epsilon.

It is quite clear that Vince McMahon does not like his talent to be called "Wrestlers" but Superstars (a point Joey Syles Made earlier in the Year). If your going to have one big on air talent section, don't forget the bell ringer, the guy who tells who's in ring that they're out of a commercial break, and the EMT's that appear every single week! And the make up lady who is often seen, and the guys that neel ove the far side of he announce tables, and the cameramen (they talented) and most importantly, what aboutthe Stone Cold Look-a-like security guard you see every episode? They're on air talent yet nobody remembers them.

It's less confusing having announcers and Part-Timers seperate and saying what they announce. Sure we know who's who, but what about a brand new WWE Fan or a non-WWE Fan intrested in the workings of a show? Everything is confusing on this page and needs to be sorted out. If it envolves adding a few more sections, then go ahead! But as it is, everything is squashed and confusing.

From The Holy Trinity of Sports Entertainment

I liked the new format that was on there, but I'm sure Moe and others will just revert it back (if anyone changes it back to that way). People get use to a certain style, so it's hard for them to like a new format. That's my opinion of course, maybe they will respond and give a different reason. RobJ1981 01:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

We don't change formats unless there is a mutual decision among the regualar editors on this page. Major format changes will be instantly reverted. Major formatting changes include: moving rosters (although I'm in favor of the developmental rosters the way the were recently moved), Heading changes, creating more sub-sections and generally just moving things around you see fit is frowned upon. It doesn't matter what Joey Styles considers them to be (superstars, wrestlers) whatever the hell thier called, were not WWE, were Wikipedia, and thier (and your) personal input on the situation isn't really wanted. On-air talent, is used for major and consisatnt roles. The "bell-dinger", and ETM's , probably, change from week-to-week and are not major roles, thus they do not meriot being in the section. "What about a new fan or non-WWE fan?" doesn't mean we should make more sub-sections. With or without the extra sub-sections, the extra notes added to the side are still going to be there to distinguish what they do. More sub-sections only cause a longer TOC, which is unwanted plus the extra headings don't provide anything new, but a pain in the butt when we have to decide what section to place a person who has more than one role in two sections, which is again frowned upon.. — Moe Epsilon 03:26 August 22 '06

I agree 100% with Moe. James Duggan 03:32, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Moe. Jigsaw12 04:35, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hardcore Holly

According to a live report from wrestlingobserver.com. Holly is wrestling as a heel on ECW house shows. I'm going to add him to the ECW Inactive list for now. AugustWinterman 23:31 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm adding him to the unassigned talent because he was doing the same for th SmackDown! brand so it's really a toss-up at this point. — Moe Epsilon 05:09 August 22 '06

Melina

I think she is also an on-screen girlfriend of Johnny Nitro. They show them kissing and holding each other and reference to them being a couple. I think I heard commentators often refer to them as a couple. Jigsaw12 04:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

They date in real-life. I wrote it as such.. — Moe Epsilon 05:17 August 22 '06

• Just because they date in real life, doesn't make it notable for the roster page. If that's the case, we need to put notes by Triple H: married to Stephanie McMahon. Note next to Shane: son of Vince McMahon... and so on. Do you get my point? The page is for kayfabe things I thought? Well it does list injuries being real, and so on... it does NOT list real life relationships. So it should be.. "on screen girlfriend", not just girlfriend. RobJ1981 05:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but it wouldn't make since in this case. on-screen girlfrind would be incorrect as they date in real-life. I'm thinking about removing the wife/girlfriend thing all together. — Moe Epsilon 05:40 August 22 '06

I have removed it. It might be better to remove the relationship equation out of it all together. A valet/manager is all we really need to know. — Moe Epsilon 05:45 August 22 '06

And I reverted it. Why not ask others before doing that? That has been on the page for a while now, you can't just decide it before others can react and comment on it. I believe you said yourself: no major changes unless people agree to it. There is several girlfriend and wife notes, so it certainly should qualify as a somewhat major change at least. RobJ1981 05:49, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Thats not a major change. See my definition above for that. There was only 4-5 mentions are not a lot in my opinion. Anways, what purpose could they serve other than to tell us that they are dating on-screen? The only mention of a wife (Sharmell) is pointless right now as Booker (I don't think) ever mentioned Sharmell as his wife, so that needs to go. — Moe Epsilon 05:53 August 22 '06

It's as notable as listing people as manager, valet and so on. The announcers have said she was his wife, and Booker himself has said it on Smackdown as well. RobJ1981 05:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

(First, please follow the format of this conversation by not adding a bullet format and use a : instead) Next, I never paid attention to the Sharmell/Booker thing so I could be wrong. The purpose of listing a manager/valet is to show the relationship/allaince between people who aren't listed in stables (like Nitro/Melina, Sharmell/Booker Finlay/Little Bastard etc.) Meanwhile, girlfriend/wife have no meaning as all listings of girlfriend/wife are also valets making it redundant. — Moe Epsilon 05:59 August 22 '06

I don't think it matters about the bullet or not, but whatever. I think others should comment on this roster issue, before it's reverted back by yourself or someone else. RobJ1981 06:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

If it's a on-screen relationship and not real life, then I think it should be mentioned. No need to mention Melina/Nitro for example because they are also dating in real-life. TJ Spyke 06:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The way I see it. Kafabe and real relationships aren't relevant to this page. Simply saying "valet" should be good enough. There is such a thing as too much detail. James Duggan 16:33, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Sharmell

I'd just like to point out that Sharmell isn't called Queen Sharmell; The name isn't copy written; No one calls her Queen Sharmell, they say king bookers Queen, Sharmell... And on the WWE website shes sited as Sharmell not Queen Sharmell. I also believe Booker says My Queen... Sharmell. So hes not calling her Queen Sharmell... the only people who called her Queen Sharmell would be the odd commentator and Booker's Court. Jigsaw12 04:54, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Sharmell - Valent, wife and Queen of King Booker Is a good way for it too look...

She is called Queen Sharmell. When she is announced to the ring, she is announced as Queen Sharmell, as Booker T is called King Booker. Don't change it until the gimmick has changes back to her old self, or she has a new one. — Moe Epsilon 05:20 August 22 '06

Have any of you seen her profile on WWE.com? She is now listed as Queen Sharmell. James Duggan 16:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

You guys are dicks

I made the roster neat with proper grammer and someone changed it all... seriously... Gay... Jigsaw12 05:10, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Mind WP:CIVIL. Don't call editors/edits gay. Being extremely uncivil like that can result in blocks, ok? You don't need to capitalize every word in the headers, thats actually inproper grammer.. — Moe Epsilon 05:14 August 22 '06

I made the roster consistant with what it says for example.... on the smackdown roster in place of valent/wife I put Valent and wife to match all the other valents that are like valent and girl friend and they still changed it even though it makes the roster look inconsistant and messy.... But whatever.... ok koolJigsaw12 05:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh sorry moe, i forgot its your article if you don't like the way it is or have a problem with... Its not debated its how you see sit cause your special... Sorry man I forgot Jigsaw12 05:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

No, sorry, wrong again Jigsaw. I'm not more important than you are, but your homophobic slurs were too much. — Moe Epsilon 05:30 August 22 '06

Actually, you really make it look like it's your article moe. Iv'e noticed that nothing is debated unless you see fit. An he didn't call you gay, he called the situation gay. The King of Kings

The use of the word "gay" is offensive no matter what the context. Actually, I'd consider the title of this section a personal attack since it's directed at other editors. James Duggan 16:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, this is not getting us anywhere, so there is no point wasting my time with people who think the word gay is offensive. Grow a freaking spine.