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Loserz

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The reason there is a literal crapload of keep votes in the above AFD was because it was spammed in the webcomic forum here. If you go through the AFD and look at the non-fan-invasion comments, they are only three shouts for keep. Whereas there is about eight shouts for delete, commenting that it shows no sign of notability nor does it have any sources whatsoever. The keep votes churn out things like "been online for years", "has an active forum community" (as can be seen from the vote flood), and my favourite "If you delete this page, then you might as well start deleting pages for other webcomics as well, which is just nonsensical", which is exactly what we should be doing. - Hahnch e n 21:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Overturn and delete per Hahnchen, or relist with policing if we must. WP:ILIKEIT and WP:INFORMATION do not trump WP:V and WP:RS. Guy 21:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn and delete and leave a polite but strong note on the closer's user page. Ignoring the socks/meats is standard AfD closure practice, but it apparently wasn't done in this case. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 22:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relist and semi-protect I can support on the AFD either a no-consensus close or a delete close - neither side made arguments very well to clearly be convincing on the strength of the arguments, and sorting out the new/meat-puppet voting is a discretionary item that could go either way on some of them. However, the external spam is a process violation leading to a reason to relist, semi-protecting if needed to limit the discussion to editors with a vague grasp on policy. GRBerry 01:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I can see now that I was wrong in the no consensus, although I also stand by not deleting. When weighing up this one, I considered relisting and from to the above comments I wish I'd done this. So if I may give an opinion, it would be to relist. —Xyrael / 16:59, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relist and semiprotect per above - sock/meat puppets should not be rewarded.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by BigDT (talk • contribs) .
I'd have probably closed the afd as delete, but relist is also valid, so I'd be happy with either of those two outcomes from this DRV. Petros471 13:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Overturn and delete After deducting the meatpuppetry the consensus seems quite clear, plus the article is still honking "No outside sources". ~ trialsanderrors 20:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relist and semiprotect per GRBerry. Clearly there was an undue attempt to influence the outcome, but there were also several good-faith "keep" votes. It's not clear to me what the consensus would have been without the meatpuppets. Wmahan . 22:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relist for deletion. The closing admin did not catch all the Single Purpose Accounts. The AfD was invalidly closed. JIP | Talk 06:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relist semiprotected This seems to have worked in similar cases in the past. --ais523 15:38, 9 September 2006 (U T C)

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 *'''Relist''' for deletion. The closing admin did not catch all the Single Purpose Accounts. The AfD was invalidly closed. [[User:JIP|<font color="#CC0000">J</font><font color="#00CC00">I</font><font color="#0000CC">P</font>]] | [[User talk:JIP|Talk]] 06:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 *'''Relist semiprotected''' This seems to have worked in similar cases in the past. --[[User:ais523|ais523]] 15:38, 9 September 2006 ([[User:ais523|U]][[User talk:ais523|T]][[Special:Contributions/Ais523|C]])
-====[[Podcast Alley]]====
-Notable podcast directory ([[Alexa]] rank: 14,247 -- compare [[Podcast Pickle]] approx 22,000). This rank indicates this site receives a significant number of visitors yet the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Podcast Alley|original AFD]] never addressed why a site with so many visitors would be non-notable. All the people who voted, followed the nominator without any new comments. I'd like this decision to be overturned, or at least re-evaluated based on it's Google and Alexa ranks that weren't mentioned before. - [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm]]|[[User talk:MacGyverMagic|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:43, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Undelete''' and '''Relist''' Based on who the voters were, this would seem to have been part of the GNAA war-on-blogs thing awhile back, a campaign of rather questionable good faith to put it nicely.  I'm not of the opinion that a rank of 14,247 is necessarily enough to keep on that basis alone, so a relist would be in order, but it deserves a fair hearing. [[User:Starblind|Andrew Lenahan]] - <b><FONT COLOR="#FF0000">St</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF5500">ar</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FF8000">bli</FONT><FONT COLOR="#FFC000">nd</FONT></b> 10:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''': ''(Note: I was the admin that closed the original AfD.)'' Although the AfD had considerable GNAA input, it doesn't necessarily invalidate the opinion that such articles don't belong in Wikipedia. When I used to close AfD debates, I generally looked for the most persuasive arguments. In this case, an article about a non-unique web directory  doesn't qualify for an article in my opinion. However, I think [[User:Cyde|Cyde Weys']] comment in the AfD deserves some attention - merge articles about prominent directories into one single article; there's nothing particularly encyclopedic about any such site, but the concept may deserve mention. I don't think it should be a list of directories though (per [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|WP:NOT]]). Perhaps the [[Podcasting]] article is more than sufficient for this purpose. (Aside: I think that most of the *casting articles need to be pruned, redirected etc. They all discuss the same concept.) <font color="#8b4513">[[User:Mindmatrix|Mind]]</font><font color="#ee8811">[[User_talk:Mindmatrix|matrix]]</font> 13:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Weak relist''', Cyde's suggestion at AfD was to merge to a list of podcast directories, I am not convinced, but there was enough going on in the AfD to make a rerun probably worth the effort.  Mind you I am of the opinion that [[WP:NOT]] a directory of directories, so I will probably advocate deletion... <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> 13:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-*''''Endorse Deletion''' Other than a single "per nom", I don't see any problems with the AfD, and I have to accept the editors' opinion that the deleted article was spamvertising. Also, since [[WP:NOT]] Alexa, I don't see anything in the nomination that would change my mind. That said, I find quite a bunch of of news clips that name Podcast Alley (119 on Newsbank), although none of them seem to be ''about'' PA. (Typical example: "List your RSS feed on podcast directories such as iTunes, Podcast Alley, and PodcastPickle.") So an article about Podcast directories seems quite supportable from the news material there is. An article on PA alone, I don't see it. ~ [[User:Trialsanderrors|trialsanderrors]] 17:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
-* The entire contents of the best version of the deleted article were "Podcast Alley is a podcast ranking website that uses a ranking system based on votes and comments. Unlike the iTunes podcasting ranking system, the Podcast Alley system binds each vote to an IP address, making the system less easily abused." plus the AFD tag and a hyperlink to the site.  Their [http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?&compare_sites=&y=t&q=&size=medium&range=2y&url=podcastalley.com long-term Alexa ranking] is average  but the Alexa test is a flawed test in this case.  Any directory-site will get inflated scores when compared to other types of sites.  (Examples like this demonstrate why Alexa is no longer listed as an inclusion criterion at [[WP:WEB]].)  I don't see any problems with the deletion discussion.  No evidence has yet been presented showing that this site does meet the recommended criteria at [[WP:WEB]].  '''Endorse closure'''.  [[User:Rossami|Rossami]] <small>[[User talk:Rossami|(talk)]]</small> 03:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)