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Sent you some pages of Floor, Willem (2006) The Persian Gulf: A Political and Economic History of Five Port Cities, 1500-1730. Thought you might be interested. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Sent you another mail. - LouisAragon (talk) 13:26, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Replied. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:25, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Ditto. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:23, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Ditto back lel. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:15, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

- Was just checking some stuff. I'm not really sure how we should define the criteria for an individual in order to be added to Category:Safavid generals. All these "beglarbegs" for example, were military commanders as well, apart from being known as "governor". Should we just add all of them to the category in question as a matter of habit? Will be one very large category in that case. I know that there are still alooot of categories to be made for all the individuals, but I believe this is just one of those minor things that we should get cleared up early on, haha.

- I've got another source that I'd really like to send to you, but the file is too large unfortunately ("On the Ethno-Social Background of Four Gholām Families from Georgia in Safavid Iran". Studia Iranica (32)"). - LouisAragon (talk) 00:00, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon:

- Hmm, not sure. Perhaps we should start creating hakem, beglarbegi. etc categories? Do what you think is best.

- Haha that's fine - do you have any sources about the Lurs/Laks/Bakhtiaris/Kurds (and/or their families, such as the Zangana, Zand etc) during the Safavid/Afsharid/Zand period? --HistoryofIran (talk) 01:58, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah thats a good one. We probably should. Will start creating them in the near future. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, I might have some specific stuff about the Zangana and Zands during the Safavid period. Not entirely sure though. Will let you know! - LouisAragon (talk) 22:07, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Btw, didn't Karim Khan force numerous Khanates into submission? Referring to the changes you made to the Zand dynasty map. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:05, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Apparently not, according to the Cambridge History of Iran. The Khanates of Azerbaijan were more or less independent, whilst only nominally under the suzerainty of the Zands. Mazandaran and Astarabad was barely under Zand rule as well. The Caucasian Khanates seem to have been independent/under Georgian rule. But I am ofc all ears if you have a source(s) that dispute that claim. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Some material;

• "Born in 1730, he was the son of Panāh Khan of the Javānšīr tribe, which lived in the plains of Qarābāḡ (Bāmdād, I, p. 10). Nāder Shah Afšār had forced the tribe and its khans to submit to him and to accompany him to Khorasan. After Nāder’s death, Panāh Khan returned to Qarābāḡ and managed to penetrate the eastern sector of the Armenian enclave of mountainous Qarābāḡ (Qarābāḡī, pp. 52-59). In the second half of the century, Ebrāhīm Khan built a strong fortress in Šūšī/Šūša which was referred to, during his lifetime, as Panāhābād (idem, p. 72). When Karīm Khan Zand took control of much of Persia, he forced Panāh Khan to come to Shiraz, where he died as a hostage. " -- EBRĀHĪM ḴALĪL KHAN JAVĀNŠĪR, Enc. Iranica Vol. VIII, Fasc. 1, pp. 71-73
• "By 1762 another ruler and dynasty, Karim Khan Zand (1750-1779), took control of most of Iran and was recognzied as their suzerain by the khans of eastern Armenia [that is, the khans of Karabakh and Yerevan]. His seat of power was in southern Iran, however, and Transcaucasia was left to Ibrahim Khan of Karabagh and King Erekle II (1762-1798) of eastern Georgia (...) -- Bournoutian, Georga (2002). A Concise History of the Armenian People: (from Ancient Times to the Present). (ed. 2). Mazda Pub. ISBN 978-1568591414
• "(...) "Heraclius II, after his occupation of Erivan in 1749 and defeat of his former ally Azad in 1751-2, could afford largely to ignore the changing situation south of the Aras. After it became obvious that Mashhad (a minor Afsharid remnant at that time) was no longer the seat of the government, and probably about the time of the Zand army's progress through Azarbaijan (1762-1763), Heraclius tendered his submission to the Zand Vakil and received his diploma as Vali of Gurjistan - the traditional Safavid office, by this time an empty honorific." -- - Fisher et al. (1991). The Cambridge History of Iran Vol. 7. page 96 Cambridge University Press, 10 okt. 1991 ISBN 978-0521200950

... In other words; definetely nominal suzerainty (de jure), and recognized as such. De facto, probably not that much. I can search for more later. - LouisAragon (talk) 19:55, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: I've reverted the map. Btw, I guess I should expand the northern borders of the map further then? --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

-Yeah we need to pinpoint that down in the near future.

-PS1, I wonder whether this dude is the father of Fath-Ali Khan Daghestani... Would be surely interesting to find out. PS2; I just made a start with this article. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:44, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon:

-Yeah that's interesting, he possibly could have been his father indeed.

-Awesome, that's one more important Safavid article created. --HistoryofIran (talk) 15:46, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Btw, do you think we should create Category:17th-century Safavid people etc like the Category:17th-century Ottoman people? There are quite a lot of articles of non-Iranian people in Safavid Iran. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:05, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, we need those categories 100%. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Returning to our talk about the Zand map; it should thus additionally include almost all of Armenia (Khanate of Yerevan), Nakhchivan (Khanate of Nakhchivan), Karabagh (Karabagh Khanate). Not sure what to do with eastern Georgia/Kartli-Kakheti, and the other khanates though. For example, as demonstrated above, Erekle II was Karim Khans subject on paper, but de facto, the former basically had full autonomy (Cambridge History of Iran). Even moreso than the other khanates. Perhaps shading that area with a different colour (e.g. "the area in light-blue shows the Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti, which was de jure a Zand territory, but de facto autonomous"). I believe all other khanates that I did not mention were nominal vassals of Karim Khan as well (e.g. Quba, Darband, etc.) but that they were practically independent in reality. For example, check these notes (pp. 44-45) -> [1] - LouisAragon (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

I believe Matthee et al. sums it up, additionally, pretty well here; "Although Karim Khan was recognized as overlord over most of Iran after 1763, with large parts independent or semi-autonomous (...) none of these local khans ever placed his own name on his coins" (p. 170, Matthee et al. (2013). The Monetary History of Iran: From the Safavids to the Qajars) - LouisAragon (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Btw, if you have some spare time in the near future, would you be able to make a start with Safavid Georgia? I'll be able to pick it up afterwards. - LouisAragon (talk) 17:55, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon:

-I've made some changes to map, what do you think?

-Honestly, I have no idea how to create that article, since from what I've understood it seems that there were more than one Georgian kingdom under Safavid suzerainty, which I barely have any knowledge about. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the belated response mate;
- The remaining part of Armenia should be shaded dark blue as well I believe.
- Its alright. I thought you might have some additional info about the provinces, territories that I wouldn't have access to. Anyhow, I just made a brief start myself (Safavid Georgia). Its not complete/perfect obviously, but at least its something. What do you think?
- One more thing about "maps". I just had a look at the Qajar dynasty map as well. Basically, all of Kartli and Kakheti should be added to it, not just Tiflis/lower Kartli. Would you perhaps be able to adjust that later?
- I'll be able to send you some more sources later today/tomorrow. I'll notify you ofc when its done. ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 17:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon:

-Will do.

-It's awesome, great work.

-Hmm, I'll take a look at it. Not sure if I can edit a map like that with Paint. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:17, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Alrighttt. Check your mail btw, sent you some more material. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:25, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Replied. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:42, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

"Kurdish Christians" -- "In the year 338 AD, a Kurdish ruler by the name Tirdad converted to Christianity. It has been speculated that he was from the Hawraman region of Kurdistan.[4] (...) Majority of Kurds adopted Islam after the Arab conquest of the Sasanian Empire but their faith sat lightly on them, it was not until the Ottoman Turks, who, with considerable political acumen, saw the sole means by which they could attach the Kurds to themselves was through their religion, and did everything possible to promote Islam amongst them. However, there were Kurdish converts to Christianity even after the spread of Islam. In the ninth century, a Kurd named Nasr or Narseh converted to Christianity, and changed his name to Theophobos during the reign of Emperor Theophilus and was the emperor's intimate friend and commander for many years.[6]".
Lel, learning something new everyday. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Indeed, this needs to get fixed in the near future. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:37, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Mate,

• Some more stuff I found regarding the complexity surrounding "Shahverdi Sultan". -- "Arriving at Dzegvi to join the Kartlians, George's troops were attacked and annihilated, on the Easter Day on 6 April 1561, by the Safavid army under Shahverdi Sultan, a Qajar beylerbey of Karabakh, at the battle of Tsikhedidi. George himself was killed in action.[1][2]" -- I guess this must be the 2nd Shahverdi Sultan?...
  
• Also, even though we haven't really yet put our focus on it, I noticed some huge errors on this "Afsharid dynasty" map. Firstly, about the eastern border. Nader Shah occupied parts to the east of the Indus for like....3-4 months in 1739. When he left Delhi literally a few months later, he ceded everything to the east of the Indus back to the Mughals (Axworthy 2010), p. 195, 212, 216). I don't think its suitable to add that all on the map. It gives the erroneous impression, and I've already spotted some innocent users on writing this, as if they controlled North India/East of the Indus River until Nader's death in 1747.
• About the Central Asian borders, we are in a dire need of some adjustments as well. I noticed that the current map still includes the nonsensical changes made by that sockpuppet, "Artin Mehraban/History of Persia". These changes made by him need to removed as well, as the Afsharids didn't control that much of the region. Also, Iranica's description on this matter is again one of those cases where they are extremely vague and borderline incorect. Iranica uses "Iran, Central Asia and North India" to describe the maximum extent of the empire, but this is extremely weird, as it leaves the Caucasus, Armenia, Georgia, Afghanistan, a part of Pakistan, eastern Anatolia, Mesopotamia, etc. out. Hence I wouldn't use Iranica word for word verbatim in this regard.
  

Anyhow, to put things short, I think it would be really great if you could adjust it in the near future by 1) removing the changes in Central Asia made by the sock sock 2) removing everything to the east of the Indus/Kabul. By doing that we'll actually have a map that comes close to what it was at its peak, which was in 1741/1743. (sorry for the many map "requests" recently, referring to the Zand/Qajar ones of two weeks ago as well). - LouisAragon (talk) 19:53, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon:

• Dunno.
• Yeah, the Afsharid map needs some fixing. I'll get to it in this week or June. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:08, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Aight, thanksss. - LouisAragon (talk) 00:19, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Sent you a mail. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:32, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Done. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:56, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

You gonna expand some articles about Safavid architecture? Just wondering, because I saw this. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:01, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Nah, suprisingly the source has loads of information about holders of certain Safavid offices, such as the grand vizier. Perhaps I'll be able to fill out the list of missing grand viziers. HistoryofIran (talk)

Wow really? Didn't know. I once used Google Books to search for some info about Safavid offices. That book by Blake showed up alot of times. Turned out however that the ppl responsible for scanning in stuff @ Google Books, simply scanned the wrong book; the material that Google Books shows for "Stephen Blake" is actually Floor's "Safavid Government Institutions". You can see Bu Rob13's explanation here. - LouisAragon (talk) 01:08, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Well fak. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:03, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Sent you a mail. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:10, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Replied. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:42, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Should the Category:Historians of the Achaemenid Empire include the "Iranian historians" category? In a similar fashion to Category:Safavid historians, Category:Buyid historians, etc.? Just interested in your opinion. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Err, dunno. Do what you think is best. Also, forgot to answer back in mail, I'll do it in a bit. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Alright I'll just keep it the way it was then. Sure, lemme know when you have sent your email reply. Oh, another question as well, considering you're much better informed about the Sasanian era than me; should the article Vakhtang I of Iberia include these categories? Category:Vassal rulers of the Sasanian Empire, Category:Christians in the Sasanian Empire and Category:Sasanian generals? And should Mirian III of Iberia include Category:Christians in the Sasanian Empire? For consistency's sake. - LouisAragon (talk) 21:01, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Also, regarding the Zands; I notice you made this category, Category:Vassal and tributary states of the Zand dynasty. It should be added to the Karabakh Khanate, Erivan Khanate, Nakhchivan Khanate, Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti as well. Their relation with Karim Khan was different as compared to the Qajars, the latter who established actual direct rule/hegemony over them. Also, will you add the info regarding Karim Khan's relation with the Khanates + Erekle (see sources I dropped above) later yourself? Honestly, the Karim Khan Zand article is another one of your articles very near/at GA quality. Probably the only major thing thats lacking is the stuff about him and those khanates/Erekle. Right now, you have quite a few articles "waiting" at GA quality. You should just nominate them IMHO. As far as I know, there is no actual policy that requires you to nominate one at a time. Anyways, I'm cluttering your talk page a tad too much right now, so I'll stop writing. ;)). - LouisAragon (talk) 21:23, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: I've added it on all the articles besides the Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti, I will most likely get molested if I add it here. And yes, I expect to complete Karim Khan's article in this summer. The articles close to GA potential still need a final touch, some of them than others, which I will hopefully get to in this summer as well. Also, I will fix the issue with the Afsharid dynasty map this week. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:08, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

- Why do you think so? Being a de jure vassal still means you're a vassal, albeit on paper. Actually, it was Erekle himself who delivered Azad Khan to Karim Khan and decided to tender his own submission to him (per Perry and Cambridge History of Iran). Anyways, I just expanded the article a bit and also added the category.

- Btw let me know about those Sasanian-era cats when you have time. (see above)

- Oh, I received Floor's Safavid Government Institutions today. Lemme know which pages/info you need, and I'll send all of them to you. ;-) - LouisAragon (talk) 22:46, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon:

-Regarding the Sasanian categories, I definitely think that the articles should have those categories.

-Thanks, I'll let you know :). --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:50, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Sent you a mail regarding the Afsharid map. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:48, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Yo just wanted to let you know, I'm now in full possession of; Floor, Willem M. (2008). Titles and Emoluments in Safavid Iran: A Third Manual of Safavid Administration, by Mirza Naqi Nasiri.
You know where to find me :-) - LouisAragon (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Awesome, will do mate. I am taking a lil break atm since I really wanna fix my back. --HistoryofIran (talk) 16:06, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Aighttt good to know. Take it easy with that back. You're gonna need it for a looong time. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:54, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Note for when you return bruv; check the convo I had with Tataryn on his talk page (in case you haven't yet). - LouisAragon (talk) 23:09, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Iraq After The Muslim Conquest

Hello HistoryofIran! You used this source to create Hazarbed years ago, but now, unfortunately, it's not available on Google Books. Do you have a PDF? I really would like to have such source, but I don't know where there is a PDF archive. Cheers!--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 21:43, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Renato de carvalho ferreira: Yeah, I have quite a lot of pages of the book stored in my mail (pages 27-99 and 180-213 with info about the Hazarbed and alot more). Here's the mail I use for Wikipedia, contact me so I can send them to you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:31, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Can you help verify translations of articles from Farsi

Hello,

Would you be able to help evaluate the accuracy of translations of Wikipedia articles from Farsi to English Wikipedia?

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This would involve evaluating a translated article on English Wikipedia by comparing it to the original Farsi article, and marking it "Pass" or "Fail" based on whether the translation faithfully represents the original. Here's the reason for this request:

There are a number of articles on English Wikipedia that were created as machine translations from different languages including Farsi , using the Content Translation tool, sometimes by users with no knowledge of the source language. The config problem that allowed this to happen has since been fixed, but this has left us with a backlog of articles whose accuracy of translation is suspect or unknown, including some articles translated from Farsi. In many cases, other editors have come forward later to copyedit and fix any English grammar or style issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the translation is accurate, as factual errors from the original translation may remain. To put it another way: Good English is not the same as good translation.

If you can help out, that would be great. Here's a sample of the articles that need checking:

• Islamic Revolution Document Center
• Standing in the Mist
• Homafaran allegiance
• Ciyos Guran
• Persian Gulf Forever

All you have to do, is compare the English article to the Farsi article, and mark it "Pass" or "Fail" (templates {{Pass}} and {{Fail}} may be useful). (Naturally, if you feel like fixing an inaccurate translation and then marking it "Pass", that's even better, but it isn't required.)

If you can help, please let me know. Thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:42, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't read the Persian script. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:29, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh. You have a {{user fa}} box on your user page, so I thought you were a native speaker. Thanks anyway! Mathglot (talk) 07:36, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the Turkic dynasties of Iran

The page says: The following is a list of dynasties, states or empires which are Turkic-speaking, of Turkic origins, or both. So you have no right to remove Afshars, Qajars, Safavids. Beshogur (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Beshogur: That doesn't change the fact that neither of those dynasties were 'Turko-Persian/Iranian states'. I am still waiting for a (academic) source(s) that supports your edits. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:28, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Ok I've restored the edit long time ago to its earlier version. Beshogur (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Beshogur: You haven't though? The dynasties are still listed there. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Help save these files?

This collection of files and this file are nominated for deletion.
It would be nice of you to leave a comment.
Thank you.
—Rye-96 (talk) 14:40, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Safavid Grand Viziers

Dear HistoryofIran, I want to thank you for editing the List of Safavid Grand Viziers. I want to inform you that in the book "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" It is mentioned that "Mortezaqoli Khan" was "Vakil-e Divan" and not the grand vizier of Tahmasp II. I also want to be familiar with your sources for the viziership of "Mirza Abdol-Karim". I saw his name in "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" as "E'demad al-Dowle" which was the title of Safavids' Grand Viziers, but in the book "Ashraf Afghan on the throne of Isfahan: narration of the Dutch witnesses" he is just considered as "Mostowfi-ye Khasse (Special state accountant). I am not familiar with "Farajollah Khan Abdollah", "Mirza Mohammad Hossein" and "Mirza Mohammad Rahim". Please, introduce me your source or sources which mention their names. About "Mirza Abdollah", I should say that he was the son of "Mirza Davud Mar'ashi (Custodian of Astan-e Quds-e Razavi)" so he must be the brother of Suleiman II of Persia. There is another figure who might be one of Tahmasp II's Grand Viziers: "Ismail Beg E'temad al-Dowle" who signed the Treaty of Saint Petersburg (1723) on the side of Safavids. Saeed Nafisi mentioned his name with the title of "E'demad al-Dowle" but did not directly called him the Grand Vizier of Tahmasp II. In "Alamara-ye Naderi" he is mentioned as "Tabin-e Vazir-e A'zam" which I do not know what means exactly. At the end I should say that "Rajab-Ali Beg" and "Rajab-Ali Khan" maybe was one person. "Zubdat al-Tavarikh" mentioned that "Rajab-Ali Beg" was "Nazer-e Boyutat" at the beginning of the reign of Tahmasp II and "Alamara-ye Naderi" mentioned "Rajab-Ali Khan E'temad al-Dowle" was the Grand Vizier of Tahmasp II which started his viziership after the Battle of Murche-Khort and died 2 months before the deposion of Tahmasp II. Best regards Shfarshid (talk) 03:03, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello there - the article is not yet done. The source I primarily use is this one [2]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:45, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Shfarshid (talk) 03:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

King of Kings of Iranians and non-Iranians

Hi, I initially intended to create an article for this title, but eventually decided to limit it to the section List_of_shahanshahs_of_the_Sasanian_Empire#Title. Please use this link instead. --Z 21:26, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello Z, the majority of sources use 'King of kings of Iran and non-Iran/Aniran', not 'King of Kings of Iranians and non-Iranians' (which is an incorrect translitteration). --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Laks

hi. haven't you checked Talk page? i explained about all sources with their links? why you revert? --– Hossein Iran « talk » 04:28, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

List of monarchs of Persia

Hi dear. The Median Empire was the first Empire of Persia. Why it absent at List of monarchs of Persia? Benyamin-ln (talk) 10:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Benyamin-ln: Dunno. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

should you add this Empire to top of the article? The first Shah of Persia is Deioces, not Cyrus the Great. Benyamin-ln (talk) 13:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Benyamin-ln: Agreed, you're welcome to add it. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:44, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

 Done Benyamin-ln (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Category:Generals of Yazdegerd III

Good morning, I've re-added Category:7th-century Iranian people as a parent to Category:Generals of Yazdegerd III. Even while a few were not Iranian by birth, they were clearly serving the country of Iran. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Marcocapelle: Good morning, this has been discussed several times, the category is only meant for ethnic Iranians. HistoryofIran (talk)

Category:Buildings of Khosrow I has been nominated for discussion

Category:Buildings of Khosrow I, which you created, and two sibling categories, have been nominated for possible merging. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Difference between dynasty and empires

Hey i just added samanid saffarid and tahirid as persian empires but you removed them even they had references in them. Can you please explain why ? Saladin1987 20:57, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Saladin1987:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/dynasty

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/empire

--HistoryofIran (talk) 02:05, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

it says empire is group of countries ruled by one person which seems correct as these safari samanid and tahirid rule also included pakistan, Iran, Uzbekistan , Afghanistan, Turkmenistan. Saman khuda, yakub saffar and Tahir Ibn all ruled these countries so I think if they are referenced then they should have space in this article. What do you think about it. I don't myself to get blocked so I don't want to make the change. I would appreciate if you could at least look into it and try and add these legitimate empires.

Persian question

Hi-- I wonder if you can make out the couplets on this image. There's been some debate about what this image shows. I'm so bad at reading nasta'liq that I can hardly make out anything besides "مریم" and "خوش آمد", and even that could be wrong. Eperoton (talk) 21:46, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Eperoton: Hey there. Although I am a native speaker of Persian, I unfortunately can't read the script. --HistoryofIran (talk) 02:04, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

stop edit war whit ip address

please stop we are more wiki user then you,It s not just your assessment that's important Joohnny braavoo1 (talk) 16:33, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Only if you teach me to speak English like you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:58, 31 July 2017styt

first stop whit edir war then i will shahan agah haha Joohnny braavoo1 (talk) 18:53, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

The Travels of Cyrus

This book, however fictional, contains illustrations of Cyrvs's actions during campaigns, and could prove useful. https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=BFpckTHEnBkC&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&hl=en&pg=GBS.PP7 In addition to other versions

50.101.168.221 (talk) 18:41, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Ya'qub ibn al-Layth al-Saffar

Hello HistoryofIran! I don't know if you saw, but I was translating the article to Portuguese these days. During the translation I had some problems with the text due lacking of citation. Part of the problems I corrected myself, but some of them I'm still having difficulty to solve. Do you mind giving me a hand? I would like any support, if possible, with the third paragraph in the section "Early life", where there is a "citation needed" tag and with the sections Ideology and Legacy, both of them there are notes, but some of the notes don't have the pages used to create the text. If you could help I will appreciate a lot. Cheers.--Renato de carvalho ferreira (talk) 03:26, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Your opinion please

Hi, i'm here because i'm looking for confirmed editors who are competent in the field of medieval islam. Judging by your contributions on Wikipedia, you are ! I would like to know your opinion about the article on Muhammad ibn-Musa al-Khwarizmi. I investigated the sources claiming he is the father of algebra, and i wanted to write in his article something like "often regarded as the father of algebra" or "considered by many as the father of algebra". I found many solid sources for that (S. Gandz, C. B. Boyer), but two other contrbutors want to state the weaker claim "considered the father of algebra by some authors". When i look at Hyppocrates for example, it's stated in his article "father of early medicine", not "father of early medicine for some authors" even if other candidates exist (Charaka or Imhotep)... Thanks for your valuable time and your precious opinion. Wikaviani (talk) 10:42, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment and participate

Since you're involved, please comment. Talk:Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi#Request_for_comment:_Should_ethnicity_of_al-Khwarizmi_appear_in_the_lead.3F --Wario-Man (talk) 14:03, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Done. But I write too much forum-ish, need to stop doing that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:30, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Azizkhan Mukri

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Perhaps of use

Though its all straightforward and basic information (I hadn't seen the paper before I think, though perhaps you had); Matthee, Rudi (2010). Was Safavid Iran and Empire?. Journal of the Economic and Social History of the Orient: 53. pp. 233-265.

Ethnic diversity;

"In its ethnic make-up, the Safavid realm was more heterogenous than in its religious diversity. The country was populated by Persians, Turks, and Arabs, in addition to a multitude of smaller, less prominent groups such as Baluchis, Kurds, Lurs, Turkmen, Circassians, and Lezghis. Further ethno-religious diversity was introduced with the transfer of large numbers of Armenians and Georgians, from their ancestral homelands, which were annexed by Safavid Iran (...) The country's domestic Armenians formed a sizeable group (...)" -- p. 240

Language of culture from the Balkans to India;

"Persian was also the language of culture, above all of poetry--as it was for the entire area between the Balkans and the Deccan--where it functioned as a lingua franca." -- p. 244

Diminishing of influence of the Turkomans;

"Beginning in the sixteenth century, the Safavids, seeking to curtail thepower and influence of the unruly tribal Turkman forces, introduced a new service elite without tribal ties consisting of Armenian, Georgian, and Circassian “slaves.” As said, these ghulams were given high-ranking positions in the military and the administration following their formal conversion to Islam. With a new identity came a new name. Many were named Rustam or Khusraw, names from the Shahnamah with links to the ancient mythical past." -- p. 245

- LouisAragon (talk) 18:24, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

LouisAragon: Sent you a mail regarding the Safavids and Gilan. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:21, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Replied. - LouisAragon (talk) 22:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Sasanian civil war of 628-632

I saw your article Sasanian civil war of 628-632 on wikivisually, I wonder why don't you create the same article here?! Samuel Hhansson (talk) 17:28, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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MrX: Hello, I am HistoryofIran. You might wanna take a look at the other comments before you delete mine, which was nothing but a fact. You say it as if I wrote it in the article itself. Also, no I am not going to read the welcome page, because I am not new, and have done more contributions than all of those users in the talk page, which is, also a fact. I eagerly await a reply. Thank you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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MrX: Well at least it's better than hiding behind this false illusion of being 'neutral' which a lot of people are doing whilst trying to push their own POV (cough cough User:Expectant of Light, cough cough User:Mhhossein). Whatever, it will one day be in Wikipedia when this dictatorship falls. When that day happens I can't wait to taste the Mullah tears, it will be glorious. Okay, I may have spent too much time on the forums.

nam jeff. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:55, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

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