Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 October 9

October 9

Category:Isotope content page

• Propose deleting Category:Isotope content page (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: This aims to create a distinction between redirects and non-redirect pages of isotopes via the hard-coded addition of categories, e.g. [1]. This is misguided, and contrary to best practices. If a dedicated tracking category is desired, it should be added through {{infobox isotope}} (or something similar), not hard coded categories. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:18, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

For some reason the 'discussion' option does not appear in Twinkle, so it defaulted to deletion. I'm not necessarily advocating for deletion, although it's one possible outcome. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. {{Infobox isotope}} is not exclusive to non-redirect pages of isotopes. For example, it is used in isotopes of xenon#Xenon-133 and isotopes of uranium#Uranium-239. Unless there is a way to distinguish these uses (article sections vs. entire articles) in the template code, the hard coded category seems like the better solution. ComplexRational (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@ComplexRational: in which case the categorization can easily be suppressed with |dedicated_isotope_article=no or something. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:54, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Question: How do we know that every isotope content page actually has this infobox? (Answer: use this category; do crosschecks). -DePiep (talk) 22:06, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

• Keep (=Oppose deletion). (ec) I created this category.

I am a member of WP:ISOTOPES (now WT:ELEMENTS), and made an edit or two to improve our isotope articles. This category is part of a greater plan to improve this topic (namely: check all known isotopes agains our articles, redirects or content. Later more checks & improvements can follow, for example known isotopes that have no page at enwiki). I note this is a maintenance category, so no harm to articles is happening. Problematic in this proposal is that the nom, whom I rarely met in WP:ELEMENTS's editing, is prescribing how to do a WikiProject maintenance process. -DePiep (talk) 21:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Stick to the issues please. That you 'rarely' meet me has little consequence on anything. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:49, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

It is related, heavily, since with this proposal you prescribe/deny how to do maintenance in a WikiProject you are not engaged in. -DePiep (talk) 22:02, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

That is patent elitist bullshit, I've been heavily involved at WP:ELEMENTS since 2009 at the very least. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 22:12, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:The Pink Panther characters

• Propose merging Category:The Pink Panther characters to Category:The Pink Panther

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary two article category TTN (talk) 17:44, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Oppose — I think the category should be kept and merged with Category:The Pink Panther (cartoons) characters. That would make it more substantial. Charles Essie (talk) 17:50, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Hispanic and Latino winners of beauty pageants

• Propose deleting Category:Hispanic and Latino winners of beauty pageants (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: Beauty pageant winners are not sorted by ethnicity, and that would open a can of worms if we started going this way. What we have here is a container category for beauty pageant winners from several South American countries, regardless of ethnicity (once again, it is assumed that everyone in Argentine, Ecuador or the Dominican Republic is "Hispanic and Latino", whatever that means). All child categories are already in Category:Beauty pageant winners by nationality, so merger would not be necessary. Alternatively, one could consider a renaming to a continent-based category (Latin/South American winners of beauty pageants), but there are no such categories for other continents. Place Clichy (talk) 17:33, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Arab poets by nationality

• Propose merging Category:Arab poets by nationality to Category:Arabic poets by nationality

Nominator's rationale: A now-blocked user created this category, very similar to long-standing Category:Arabic poets by nationality, with the stated intent of separating "Arab-ethnic poets" from Arabic-language poets. The resulting category is pretty much a duplicate from the first, in fact a container category for poets from any nation in the Arab League (e.g. Comorian poets, Somalian poets, Lebanese poets etc.). I guess that all poets from these nations are supposed 1°) to be Arabs and 2°) to write Arabic-language poetry, both of which are of course highly debatable. Anyway, duplicate container categories with overlapping content are unnecessary. Place Clichy (talk) 15:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Methodist church buildings

• Option A: Propose merging Category:Methodist churches to Category:Methodist church buildings
• Option B: Propose merging Category:Methodist church buildings to Category:Methodist churches

Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. Denied speedy (@Armbrust and Laurel Lodged: pinging contributors). Categories have identical scope and much overlapping content and should be merged whatever the outcome. I am pretty neutral towards which name should be picked, and the churches vs. church buildings debate has never given very clear consensus in the past. Parent Category:Protestant churches by denomination has a mixboth: Anglican, Brethren, Mennonite, Reformed and United Protestants use church buildings, while Christian Science, Congretional, Episcopal, Evangelical, Lutheran, Moravian, Presbyterian, Seventh-day Adventist, Swedenborgian use churches. However, I note that churches has the disadvantadge of inviting users to add articles about full-fledged church organizations at large, which should be better placed in Methodist denominations, such as the Protestant Methodist Church in Benin (90,000 members, 420 congregations) or the Free Church of Tonga (congregations in 6 countries). I therefore prefer Option A. Place Clichy (talk) 14:46, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Copy of speedy discussion

• Category:Methodist church buildings to Category:Methodist churches – Duplicate. Older category suggested as target, also C2C per Protestant churches by denomination and C2D per List of Methodist churches. Place Clichy (talk) 13:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

  Oppose Every member of the category is about buildings (except List of Methodist churches, which should be removed from the category). Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:26, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

• Reverse merge or merge, the two categories should not exist next to each other since they have the same scope. I also have a preference for option A, for the same reason as nominator. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Protestant holiness denominations

• Propose merging Category:Protestant holiness denominations to Category:Holiness denominations

Nominator's rationale: Transparent duplicate. Denied speedy (@Armbrust and Fayenatic london: pinging contributors). Note that the holiness movement is part of Protestantism, and especially Methodism, so there would not be holiness denominations that are not Protestant denominations. Category:Holiness denominations is a sub of Category:Methodist denominations, itself a sub of Category:Protestant denominations. Place Clichy (talk) 13:26, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Copy of Speedy discussion

• Category:Protestant holiness denominations to Category:Holiness denominations – Duplicate, same topic. C2C and C2D par Holiness movement and Category:Holiness movement. Place Clichy (talk) 09:27, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

  Oppose speedy Subcategory of Category:Protestant denominations. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 07:24, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

  @Armbrust: but the target is within Category:Evangelical denominations and Category:Methodist denominations which are both already within Protestant denominations. – Fayenatic London 13:59, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

• Merge (or else reverse merge), the two categories clearly have the same scope, and the word "Protestant" is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Hispanic theologians

• Propose deleting Category:Hispanic theologians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: There does not seem to be anything common to the people in this category beside the fact that they speak spanish or have set foot in colonial Spanish America. There is afaik no movement called hispanic theology - unlike, for instance, liberation theology, which is very much associated with Latin America. Articles in this category will be therefore better sorted by movement (e.g. Liberation theologians), by religion or by nationality. Place Clichy (talk) 11:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nom, trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Category:Hispanic pornographic film actors

• Propose deleting Category:Hispanic pornographic film actors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
  

Nominator's rationale: Another category for people by language family. This is a container category for Hispanic and Latino American pornographic film actors and actors from Spain and some other Latin American countries (Colombia, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Peru). Note that Hispanic and Latino American pornographic film actors is already in an ethnicity category, and the other five in a nationality category. Language family is not a defining feature to group the lot. Place Clichy (talk) 09:04, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nom, a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:00, 9 October 2019 (UTC)