User talk:Floquenbeam

MEH

Folly, thou conquerest, and I must yield! Against stupidity the very gods Themselves contend in vain. --Friedrich Schiller

New Love

St. Patrick's Day

decoration + music for the day. - Thank you for good spirits, for example an unblock offer. What do you think of unblocking with the condition of reblocking if your conditions are not met? I know the story of editing peacefully for two years until you get crushed when geting close to a certain topic. DYK that 7 years ago, we had a little discussion on Talk:Robert Stoepel, and I thought that this unholy war was over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe. I'll probably wait a week or two, or at least for the next unblock request. I'm pretty unimpressed by the second dive back into the conflict, but there is a long history of peaceful editing leading up to that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

The new unblock request is there. Working on singing in defiance, - my reply back then to a certain arbcom case, and now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I took a look at the unblock request, and left a note. We'll see. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I always shudder when I read the word infobox wars. What does it mean, in 2020? I loved this comment, 2018. - When you hear "composition", of what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Live and let live is good. Not sure what you mean by "composition". What composition do I think of when I hear the word? What does the word mean? Free association? My first reaction when I hear the word is those blue, thin, bound paper composition books they made us write our essays in during school, years before the idea of laptops was imagined. But you're a musician, so you probably think one of Bach's? --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:41, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Voce is wise, - if only all listened ;) - When I - raised German - hear composition, I think of music, whatever kind, but I hear that you think of school first, - fine. It's a topic of little harmony here. - add "musical" or not, that is a question which keeps users busy, these days, - can't believe it. Hoping you and yours are well, and regards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

A cup of coffee and a thank you

Here's a digital cup of coffee for you! Thank you for believing in me and for your help!
StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 14:31, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. Glad JzG was around to unblock, I thought I had a few minutes free and it turned into one minute free. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

That's fine. (Except for the thanks and coffees I gave) I'm ready to move past the whole block situation. Have a good one! StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 15:57, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

And another thing if you don't mind

Could you tell Cassianto that I'm sorry for everything please. I feel like it's something I need to to, but if I gave them a private message myself, they might consider it to be trolling or something of the like. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 18:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You are indefinitely ibanned from interacting with all of Cassianto, Schrocat, Dr. Blofeld. Read the points in the link. That means you are banned from, among other things, mak[ing] reference to or comment[ing] on each other anywhere on Wikipedia, directly or indirectly. They do not exist to you. Clear? Mr rnddude (talk) 19:30, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

@Mr rnddude: Alright, I'm sorry. StrangeloveFan101 (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

ANI closure

Floq, please will you reverse this closure?

I have had my posts repeatedly removed by an editor with whom I was in disagreement ... and who has claimed[1] that my restoration of the posts he removed and my posting in the same way as everyone else posts was "[taking] it out on the disadvantaged just to try to get at me".

This is just character assassination, trying to portray my normal editing as mounting some sort of revenge attack on RexxS, or -- an order of magnitude worse -- persecuting disabled people. I am utterly sickened by it all.

Does this sort of stuff really just get shrugged off? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

You both seem to have gone a far bit off the rails, are both heavily involved in character assassination, have escalated the dispute, and I really, honestly believe that continuing to have you two talk to each other that way on a public page is going to result in you both being blocked, which I do not want to happen. Iridescent is right. I cannot think of a way to get both of you to dial it back by about 90%, and that's the only way that can become a productive discussion. Which it is not now. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

• Agree with BHG this should not have been closed. BHG's complaint that RexxS was being aggressive and uncivil looked legitimate and we can't just dismiss civility and conduct concerns raised about an admin as maybe happened in previous times, that has been made clear to us in recent ArbCom cases. I'm not sure on what basis it was closed when no action had been taken.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  It was a wise close. (If that is not enough for you, just look at how I was pinged to the WP:Great Dismal Swamp, - but I don't follow such invitations.) Do you have an opinion in the underlying discussion? That is still open. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  @Gerda Arendt: that's a good strategy, certainly. I wish we could all avoid any drama and get along nicely, it would be so much better wouldn't it! I don't have time to get into discussions right now, super busy, but things should ease off from next weekand I'm hoping to get into some decent article writing and expansion...  — Amakuru (talk) 10:03, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  • ANI is one of the most widely watched pages. The fact that the discussion is still closed indicates a strong agreement with the close. Johnuniq (talk) 09:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

    Great, so despite ArbCom repeatedly telling us we have to take civility more seriously, we just drop a legitimate complaint as just playground rough and tumble, and because everyone's stressed about coronavirus anyway? Of course they're stressed, but having people engaging in blatant personal attacks and having no action taken is hardly going to help with the stress. If this had been closed with a warning of some sort to RexxS to seek dispute resolution and not engage in personal attacks, that would have been fine, but closing with no action and denying a request by the filing party for a reopening and re-evaluation is just not on in my view, I'm sorry.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

    You didn't follow to my invitation to ANI, obviously. Some wisdom of the close was its admireable brevity, in a case where a waterfall of words was the biggest issue. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

I do not think that this is simply a matter that can be dropped, tbh. This will simply fester, and then boil over at a later time. If not this venue—and I agree, not that venue—then where? It is too soon for ArbCom, and we cannot be punting every scrap between to veteran editors there anyway. We cannot be this incompetent. Btw, can you assholes fix your indenting. This is maliciously taking it out on disadvantaged editors. See how nonsensical that is? Mr rnddude (talk) 10:22, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Mr rnddude, do you have any evidence that the dispute will simply fester? As far as I can see, the original CfD debate is petering out and Fayenatic london has fixed BHG's formatting for her, so I have no need to remove or amend her errors, which is all that I have been doing. Similarly, BHG has managed to get someone else to clean up her mess, so she has no reason to attack me further for fixing her posts. If you think there's more to it than that, please feel free to raise your concerns on my talk page, and I'll be happy to discuss them civilly. If your concerns remain afterwards, then you know where ANI is and presumably WP:RfArb as well. --RexxS (talk) 17:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

• That thread was a perfect example of how horrible ANI is at problem solving, and how expert it is a bringing out the worst in us. I didn't close it because there was no underlying problem. I closed it because that problem was not simple and one-sided, was not being solved, and it was actively doing real damage. I agree with BHG and Rexx that there is an underlying problem that needs to be solved, but I can't understand why anyone thinks that thread was solving it, or if left open was going to solve it. First, the two of them had pretty much lost it, and were both repeatedly hurling insults in long posts, sometimes in bold or big text, that couldn't have gone on much longer before someone (or both) were blocked. Second, everyone who hates BHG was crawling out of the woodwork to explain what a horrible person she is, and everyone who hates Rexx was crawling out of the woodwork to explain how horrible he is. And by "explain", I mean "they are, and have always been, lairs and evil and dumb and smelly".If this was User:Idiot1 and User:Idiot2 in an edit war about which peanut butter recipe to put in the External links section, it might have been harmless. But we cannot afford to lose either of these two.
  Their problem could probably be solved in 15 minutes if there was someone who's judgement they both trusted could talk to them calmly, offline, without a peanut gallery egging them on. If that describes anyone, raise your hand. A thought I had last night would be that things might be improved (not good, just improved) if the discussion was reopened but neither one could post there anymore. I honestly don't know what we should do, but I'm fairly sure it's not what we were doing last night.
  Finally, I'm not God. If someone wants to re-open it, then re-open it. I did what I really think was best. I'm wrong about a lot of things, this might be one of them. But I don't think so. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:53, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

  Thank you. I could raise my hand in saying that I get along fine with RexxS, and normally with BHG. But I can't help in this case where she practically closed her talk to me in a rant which tells me that I am a disruptive tag-teamer, just for finding her giant category renaming project ("musical composition" instead of "composition") not needed. I admit that I never read the proposal fully, intentionally so. Why study details of a suggestion you know you will not like? Life is too short. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 27 March 2020 (UTC)