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:Hi, I dunno must be a miscommunication all is well here. -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #093;">'''C'''</span>]] 02:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
:Hi, I dunno must be a miscommunication all is well here. -- [[User:GreenC|<span style="color: #006A4E;">'''Green'''</span>]][[User talk:GreenC|<span style="color: #093;">'''C'''</span>]] 02:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays

                                                 Happy holidays

Happy New Year!
GreenC,
Have a great 2020 and thanks for your continued contributions to Wikipedia.

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A barnstar for you!

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Fraud hurts us - and investors, too. Thank you for pointing that out. Bearian (talk) 14:30, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IAbot returning broken links again

[1] MBH (talk) 03:39, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[2] - "Last heartbeat check: 2019-11-26", this looks like when IABot added it to the database so it was not included in the list sent you checked. This is a problem, IABot will keep adding new links to its database. -- GreenC 04:50, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 12

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past two months (December 2019 and January 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 12th issue issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 06:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Busch

While I understand where you're coming from, I still think the line about being shielded by wealth and name is a prejudgment. For example, the ABIV page includes a complete section on a "helicopter incident" where the subject was found completely at no fault. The only reason why the issue became relevant is because of who he is, whereas anyone else would not have been subjected to public scrutiny. Furthermore, this page continues to give unequal weight to various legal issues without proper context of his complete career, in my opinion. For example, most others don't have an entire section devoted to legal proceedings, whereas it's put under personal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drinkability ( • contribs) 18:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with Busch his legal troubles and reputation for partying and alcohol/drug use are a major part of his notability (at least during his 20s-40s I think). That's not our fault and BLP is not meant to suppress legitimate stuff like this. Yes this is put under the spotlight because of who he is, but at the same time some people have said he got away with stuff because of who he is, it goes both ways. Such is the double bladed sword of fame. Anyway I will remove the reputation thing and just leave it as such about legal troubles. -- GreenC 18:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your attention. I'm not arguing necessarily about the inclusion. Obviously his page goes more into depth about legal situations than anything else in his long career, which is somewhat unfair. Regardless, the line you added is much improved. I think starting from a point of using the word playboy and shielded by wealth is disingenuous at best. Still, he's only had one situation that has ever made it into a court of law, of which he was acquitted at age 21. Perhaps an easier line to include would be "Busch IV's personal life has generated headlines and controversy through the years."talk

Archiving advice?

You seem to be pretty well versed in archiving technology, so let me ask you a question. I've been working on cleaning up the references in American Bank Note Company Printing Plant. I see that archive.org and archive.today are the two big players in the field. Is there any particular reason to pick one over the other? -- RoySmith (talk) 16:14, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Roy, it is your preference :) Archive.today sometimes has archives Wayback is missing or won't archive for policy reasons. They sometimes do a better job saving pages (more accurate). Their links are a little more stable (Wayback is pretty stable just less so than Archive.today). Wayback is about 20 times the size of Archive.today in terms of number of links on Wikipedia. Wayback has institutional money and is a large organization, archive.today is mostly the work of one talented person and appears to be self-funded and hosted on AWS. They are the top 2 providers. WebCite used to be number 2 but they have stopped accepting new archive requests and is kind of falling apart from neglect so I would recommend switching any WebCite you care about - we would do it by bot but there are dangers due to content drift (data that changes depending on when it was archived, like weather or sports scores) so we won't do it by bot unless WebCite goes offline and have no choice. -- GreenC 16:34, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GreenC, OK, thanks. I'll stick with wayback. I've often wondered why WMF doesn't run their own archiving system. Being so dependent on outside entities for such a critical function seems kind of risky, but I'm sure this has been discussed and rejected. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:44, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Totally agree re: running an archive service. I've never seen a reason for not doing it, but suspect it's mainly because they can get it for free from Wayback who they have a good relationship with (both in SF). For the non-technical person archiving seems straight-forward but when you get into the details it becomes obvious there are many problems with outsourcing and Wikipedia would be better off with an internal service. -- GreenC 16:53, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 13

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (February 2019).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 13th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

I hope everyone is having a great year so far! --DannyS712 (talk) 15:53, 1 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
Your contribution was helpful. John Tiedtke rescue. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:25, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Sweet". Thanks for saving the article! -- GreenC 15:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You earned a WP:Barnstar. If we don't give them out to deserving editors, they are just wall hangers. Well, actually, that is all they are. But then they are wasted wall hangers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:19, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Perhaps that should have been 1 ½ barnstars! Cheers. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:14, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Shared bread all around. This is an interesting topic as it's the same neighborhood as Fred Rogers who came up in the Tiedtke ARS; and I spent some time in Pittsburgh as a child though do not recall the store (we were about 15 miles west of Squirrel Hill). I hope the sock is not making money from our work. -- GreenC 19:17, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't do much work. Also, I called the store and spoke to the owner. He is relatively old and not tech savie at all. I explained that I edited wikipedia and what my connection has been to the article, telling him I had helped to save the store's article, and that I expected it to be on Wikipedia's main page. I asked him to send me their clippings file. I explained that after 50 years in business there must be a lot of material that antedates the internet. He kept asking what I wanted and why. He wanted to know "what's in it for you?" I told him I was a volunteer and didn't want anything from him at all. Other than I told him clippings and help; nothing else. "Not even thanks." He grudgingly said he would turn this over to somebody else, and they might send the material. He seemed oblivious to me about Wikipedia. Anyway, I have sometimes had luck with that schtick the few times I tried it. Saving articles that are in jeopardy can be difficult. Everything is not on the internet. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 00:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COI?

Considering your 'essay' Wikipedia:GOOGLEBOOKS, which you referred to as a reason for mass deletion of Google Books-links, I would like to ask you if you are in any way affiliated with the Internet Archive. Greetings, Eissink (talk) 17:47, 8 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Eissink, did you even bother to read the user page? Nemo 18:18, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I thought I had read it all, but know I see a small note at the very bottom, so thank you for bothering and commenting on a question that didn't address you. I doubt whether such a note warrants user's conduct and I will give it a second look, which might be – as I see on your user page – be interesting to you too. Eissink (talk) 18:29, 8 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Glad you managed to read now. I didn't manage to parse the second sentence above, but there is no problem with a conflict of interest here. There is consensus for improving citations this way and it's immaterial who applies the consensus. I suggest that you focus on the merits, but if you decide to focus on users please articulate your concerns and I'll be happy to explain why there is no issue here. Nemo 19:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you could give me a link to the discussion that brought the consensus, I would be helped, so please do, but I wasn't addressing the change of citation only. After previous, unanswered discussion, my attention was drawn to this user (and not to you, at first) not because of the content of the citation changes only, but because of user's tone of voice especially, which appears pretty unpleasant to me. While you might think you have a reason to chaperone GreenC, I do not wish to get only answered by you, because it's not you whose conduct and tone of voice I challenge. Thanks so far. Eissink (talk) 19:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Considering the reason you're blocked on the Dutch Wikipedia, I wouldn't recommend answering such questions of yours, hence I'm providing the answers anyone could provide you. As for the consensus, it's relatively easy to find from the bot's page. Nemo 19:52, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you would be interested in knowing, since you're so eager to bring up the totally unrelated subject, why the blocking moderators [both bureaucrats also] have now both left the Dutch Wikipedia. If you are capable of finding out, which I doubt, you might regret your remarks. Thanks for relatively easy linking to the bot's page. Eissink (talk) 19:58, 8 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

GreenC, on your User page you mention that you have been paid by Internet Archive, which is past tense, and I like to know if you are still being paid by Internet Archive. Eissink (talk) 19:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Since you refuse to answer my questions here, I will unfollow this page and widen the discussion elsewhere. Eissink (talk) 20:25, 8 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
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Thank you

Thank you for your part in keeping Kids Help Line from being deleted back in 2013. I was pleasantly surprised, many years later to have not only created this page, but also to see it has flourished :) [1] Yynatago (talk) 23:57, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yynatago, thank you for the thank you! Glad it has worked out thus far. -- GreenC 13:01, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kids_Helpline

IA Bot

Hello there, GreenC!

I randomly stumbled on your user by checking some discussions on link archiving out of curiosity. Your user page seemed to follow the model of what I jokingly call "pages from the times of the beginning", with essays and what not and indeed your userbox seemed to confirm that. I was surprised to see an active member from more than 15 years ago so I take my hat to you for that. :P :)

Besides the common salutation, I wanted to know if you can operate the IA Bot. I'm an admin at SqWiki and I'm the only person I deal with everything citations-related on our community. I look after the CS1 module, its categories, link rot in general, IA Bot and its contributions. In the last couple of months I've been reporting many minor bugs to Cyber about IA Bot but he doesn't have enough time to address them. Maybe you can help? :/ The two main problems we're dealing with these days at our community regarding citations it's making the IA Bot run smoothly and make people more aware of how to use citations properly. Unfortunately the referencing process with citation templates looks far too complicated for new users and that's what halts the progress for many of them (I also deal with outreach programs). Not to mention the hassle to keep the CS1 module up to date (especially the configuration page). I've talked with Trappist the monk many times about the idea of the module to be part of the core Mediawiki software and for the updates to be handled automatically for each language and not maintained by 1 single user. I was thinking sort of the same thing about the archiving process. Wouldn't it be a better idea if Wikimedia had an internal archive and wouldn't need to rely on outsourcing and robots to fight the link rot phenomenon?

So, to recap: My question is if you can help with IA Bot but since you're an experienced user I thought maybe I could exchange some opinions for these other subjects too. :P :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 04:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, wish I had some good answers but I am in the same situation with IABot waiting for help. The core is written in PhP, which I do not do (much/yet), so we are waiting for more help. Integrating user-created systems into MediaWiki is something I am not familiar with but that would probably require commitment from the Foundation to hire the staff and management, it needs full-time developers IMO. So long as things are kind of working with volunteers and sponsors like IA they might not see it as a priority, but "working" is a matter of judgement when there are some problems like you say. -- GreenC 12:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Cyber is being a bit overwhelmed as I've seen. He only partly-does/postpones requests while new requests from all over the world keep piling up in his talk page. More than once I've seen requests about IA Bot being archived automatically without an answer. It happened to me 3 times in a row and even the fourth time that I stopped the auto-archiving process, I still didn't get a good solution to it. It's still there in his talk page with some other bugs that I've found since that day. This thing is really frustrating, since I know this is all volunteering but there are some things that have a sort of higher importance than the others, like the EnWiki Main Page, a biographical fact about a living person, etc. IA Bot is one of those things, being that is one of the most effective tools we have to fight link rot and it's already global. And you have nowhere to go for support regarding it... :/
That's why I was suggesting integrating important stuff like that in the Mediawiki core. I mean, maybe I'm wrong but as far as I know, this thing has happened in the past some times with gadgets in EnWiki. The "Gadget evolution": User Script -> Gadget -> Part of MediaWiki core. But anyway... Thank you for your answer! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:42, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar for you

Your contributions are appreciated.
"A succulent Chinese meal" was well earned. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:30, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for S.W. Randall Toyes and Giftes

On 29 March 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article S.W. Randall Toyes and Giftes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that after 50 years in business, S.W. Randall Toyes and Giftes is both a landmark and a stop on "Haunted Pittsburgh" tours? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/S.W. Randall Toyes and Giftes. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, S.W. Randall Toyes and Giftes), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 14

News and updates associated with user scripts from the past month (March 2020).

Hello everyone and welcome to the 14th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter:

Stay safe, --DannyS712 (talk) 05:48, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies

I made the wrong selection on the "ping or no ping" question. It won't happen again. Schazjmd (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I dunno must be a miscommunication all is well here. -- GreenC 02:30, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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