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co-nom Seresin (talk · contribs) - The other day I was checking out the admin coaching page looking for somebody who I thought might make a decent admin. I investigated several potential candidate, but one stood head and shoulders above all of the others. Seresin has been active with Wikipedia since April 2007, during which time he has made about 5,000 edits. One of the things that impressed me was the breadth of his contributions--particularly in the Wikipedia and Wikipedia Talk spaces (400/200 edits respectively.) He has voted in ArbCom (after asking some candidates questions.) He has received 4 barnstars from fellow wikipedians, 2 for anti-vandalism activities and 2 for inter-personal behavior. A few weeks ago, Anonymous Dissident referred to Seresin as "my fellow Wikipedian and hopefully one day admin, seem to know policy to the enth degree." This comment coming from Anonymous Dissident spoke volumes of Seresin's technical knowledge. I also reviewed a number of his edits and other comments, and my respect for him as an editor continued to grow. Seresin used to be known as User:I but recently changed his name. One of the things that I respect was that when some controversy arose related to single letter users, he listened to the criticism and modified his stance.

Generally, when a 17 year old seeks adminship, I am reluctant to support. But Seresin has shown a great deal of maturity especially when it comes to the tools. Seresin initially visited the AdminCoach page on August 13th, but nobody accepted him as a student. Rather than nominate himself or ask somebody who worked with him to nominate him, he waited patiently and developed his wiki knowledge. On December 1, he restated his desire to go through admin coaching. I offered to become his coach. I felt as if his willingness to wait was a clear sign of his maturity. Rather than rush the process, he wanted to wait until somebody else felt he was prepared for the tools. In the few days that I've worked with him he has done that. As his coach I asked him to EWS23's deletion exercises Seresin gave me some of the best answers I've seen. So I asked him 17 policy based questions ranging from topics such as Speedy Deletion, to name changes, to legal threats, to protection, and blocking. He gave me very well thought out and complete answers! Still not 100% convinced by his great answers, I reviewed 200+ of his edits, and those convinced me.

Having ~~grilled~~ coached him, I have zero doubt that he knows the policies (or at least how to find them) and will make an excellent admin! So I introduce you to Seresin.Balloonman (talk) 06:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Co-nomination by Sunny910910-This is my first RFA nomination so please bear with me.

I've known Seresin for a long time. I met him back when he was named "I", I had just reverted vandalism on one of the articles in Inheritance cycle and I went to warn the IP when I realized that Seresin had already done it for me. So I had thanked him, and during that time, he suggested that I try TW. Anyway, thats probably enough about how I met him. Out of all the non-admins that I've met, I believe that Seresin is the best suited for the job.

For one thing, he has a great comprehension and understanding of CSD. For example, this (now deleted) page had been requested for speedy deletion per WP:CSD#A1 Seresin had looked over it and told the nominator that it was not nonsense (as you can see [[Computer prank#Joke programs|here]]) but still meets the CSD only as WP:CSD#A7 instead of WP:CSD#A1. Normally at this point I would provide a link, however, unfortunately all the evidence has been lost Seresin's talkpage archives.

I also see that Seresin has much needed patience and cool to deal with vandals, even in the face of personal attacks.

See this exchange: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. Not to mention that he has patience to deal with normal waiting, after he let me co-nom this RFA, he hasn't ever even mention it again (let alone ask me if it was finished yet) and especially hasn't shown any impatience.

Anyway I should be wrapping this up before this gets too long. Seresin is a good editor and I believe, if he's approved, he'll make a great admin.--Sunny910910 ^{(talk|Contributions)} 03:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: Thank you Balloonman and Sunny — seresin | wasn't he just...? 07:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A: I have most of my administrator-related experience in deletion areas, such as speedy deletion and articles for deletion. I've also done some username work, and have reported a few usernames to usernames for administrator attention; I've also commented at request for comment on usernames when there are entries there. I would also deal with vandalism, for which I have received two barnstars. After I've gotten more experience as an administrator, I'll probably deal with other things, such as page protections or 3RR blocks. I also might update Did You Know? when it gets backlogged, which I often see on AN(I). I intend to start with areas I'm comfortable with, and then as I gain more experience work in other areas.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: The more extensive of my contributions are mostly minor fixes, such as copyediting. I also like creating redirects when they are useful. I recently discovered how much fun cleaning up and standardizing disambig pages can be. While not as important as some things, making Wikipedia look better and be easier to read is always a necessity. I enjoy making the project easier to read and more useful.

I recently created my first large, non-stub article, Parmigiani Fleurier, which I am very proud of. It's currently in the wheels of DYK, and will hopefully be on the mainpage in the nearish future.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: Well, I try to make it a point to avoid the drama that sometimes plagues this place, and conflicts in general. As a result, I have not been in any major disputes. I believe that the majority of the little conflicts I have been involved in have been related to my opinion on what I consider makes something notable, especially fiction-related. A while back (July, I believe) I was involved in creating a (rejected) process to try to deal with the large amount of articles on individual episodes of television shows. An editor commented to me that my behavior in one of the discussions (specifically a TfD) was inappropriate. Upon assessing then, I didn't feel as if it was poor behavior. However, upon reassessing it now, with more wikiexperience, I can clearly see where my comments were out of line. I discussed with the user then, and have taken that conversation and the concerns raised and tried to be mindful of it in my interactions since then.

The other "major" dispute was a conversation with an editor after I notified him that he had a fair-use image on his page, and would he please remove it. He continued editing after I notified him, so I removed it myself. He took offense, and got upset. I defended myself against what I thought were some spurious accusations (including having an administrator sockpuppet). At the advice of another editor who commented in the discussion, I realized that it was time to end the discussion. In retrospect, I should have left the conversation sooner than I did, as the image had been removed and therefore the issue was resolved; there was no need to continue. This would probably be the largest conflict I've been involved in thus far.

As for stress, I haven't really had any. I am not a person who gets lots of stress, and conflicts with anonymous people online over something that is, in the grand scheme of things, often of little importance, do not cause me stress. As for future disputes, which, as implied by administrators' comments that I've seen, I will probably find myself invariably involved in, I intend to continue my policy of either avoidance, or disengaging as soon as possible. That said, I won't shy away from trying to resolving disputes, but I will try to avoid as much useless drama as possible while doing so.

Optional question from Master of Puppets

4. In your above answer you stated that you try to avoid drama and major conflicts. However, as an administrator, it would your duty to intervene in edit conflicts and other sorts of disputes between editors, which may sometimes get out of hand. How would you act if one of these came your way?

A:

General comments

See Seresin's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

Links for Seresin: Seresin (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Seresin before commenting.

Discussion

Support

Support as co-nom.--Sunny910910 ^{(talk|Contributions)} 05:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support as co-nom. Seresin is one of the most qualified people I've encountered!Balloonman (talk) 07:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It was kind of Seresin to do this before we died, wasn't it... -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Change to strongest support: my talkings on msn have left me with only good feelings about potential, and I have seen that he is in fact very cautious when editing, and would prove underzealous with the tools, if anything. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 12:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great contributions! I'm liking the question answers, too, and a run through your contributions secured my support. Also adding in an optional question. Good luck! Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 07:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support 1) Good answers to the questions. 2) A sensible level of patience shown by going through coaching. 3) I saw like, maybe 1 C:CSD tag that was declined in two months, and plenty of nominations, so no concern on deletion policy. 4) This diff I particularly liked - shows a deeper understanding of guidelines than many IMHO. On a side note, I'd have supported anyway, but oppose number one is deeply disappointing and well out of line with current RfA "expectations". Pedro : Chat 08:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support Good Contributions and good Answers would be a good Administrator. Terra^{Terra's talkpage} 08:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support I have seen nothing but good work coming from this user and believe he will make a great admin and I will be very annoyed if this rfa closes <insert high number here>/1/0 because of that stupid oppose below --Chris 09:13, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support — now that he has his username sorted ;-) Seresin has the patience and calmness that I believe makes him a fine candidate for adminship. He has offered good advice when he thought it needed and I have no concern that he would run amok with the buttons. --Jack Merridew 09:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, no valid reason to oppose. Stifle (talk) 10:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support although you're one of the few candidates whose name I don't recognize ^{(I wonder why?)} browsing through contributions turns up nothing but excellence. Pump me up 10:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support No problems here. --S iva1979^{Talk to me} 12:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - trustworthy editor. Addhoc (talk) 12:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Good user, will do fine with the tools. Malinaccier Public (talk) 13:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support. I have always had very positive interactions with Seresin. He is an intelligent capable and helpful users. I acknowledge the reluctance of those below based on the fact that his contributions to the mainspace aren't particularly strong but I do think it important that this project makes use of contributors according to their skills and interests. Some may not be great content writers but can help out with more administrative tasks. I think Seresin has enough mainspace involvement to know what goes on there and he has plenty of experience of areas where admin tools are needed. WjBscribe 13:56, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Good contribs. Seems unflappable. --PTR (talk) 14:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support, a good user (and partly to counter some of the most stupid opposes I've ever seen). Majorly (talk) 14:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Per Casliber, I sorta kinda feel like the opposition does not make very convincing points. User:Dorftrottel 14:57, February 7, 2008

Oppose

Oppose - I haven't seen his contributions, so my criticism isn't pointed into that direction. He's active on en.wiki since 3 March 2007, that means, less than a year (10 months and few days. He's not experienced enough. Since en.wiki is the biggest Wikipedia, we cannot allow ourselves such luxury. I don't say that Seresin is not good, I just want to say that he doesn't know what traps await him. With 2 years on en.wiki, with few experiences on heated things, he'll be a wiki-veteran that 'll recognize things. However, than we'll have to look at quality of his contributions. Kubura (talk) 07:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose this oppose, and with vehemence. 10 months is considered by most a long period of time, and by far enough for a candidate to be an admin. And to disregard his contributions like this, and look purely at his length of time here, really gets my goat. Sorry. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please also consider my health. I would likely have died if he waited much longer on this RFA, and I expect I would no longer be around if he waited 2 years. "Death by impatience" - how undashing... -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Dissident. You're here for 13 months. Believe me, you'll learn a lot in the next 11 months. En.wiki has a big userbase to pick from, we have enough experienced users that are over 2 years regularly here. Seresin 'll belong there once. "Considered by most"? What does that mean? Who counted that? And have you asked experienced users, those with over 2 years on en.wiki? Kubura (talk) 08:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry to name names, but User:WJBscribe, who is a bureaucrat, joined Wikipedia in November of 2006, thus failing your criteria for adminship despite a RfB that passed at 172/3/1. I respect your right to an arbitrary standard Kubura, but when that standard is so far outside of general community consensus perhaps you may wish to reconsider you stance. Best. Pedro : Chat 08:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong on several counts. The most important being that your statement is only true when "community consensus" is reworded to include "those who vote at these things". Of those who hardly ever do, which is the vast majority, the more common sentiment is "RfA is broken". That being said, asking for more experience seems like a perfectly reasonable suggestion, and something that several people I know would agree with. Sadly, they don't vote except in exceptional circumstances. The last time I came here I noticed half a dozen candidates who hadn't written any major articles or demonstrated any ability to stay cool in a dispute - because they'd avoided disputes. Those people, when elected by this strange 'consensus' that gathers here, are precisely the people who cause the rest of us to grumble that RfA is broken. 10:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Relata refero (talk • contribs)
Well, I bow to the user who has been here for nine whole days, and in that time seems to have participated in some incredibly contentious debates as well as demonstrating a remarkable level of understanding of Wikipedia. To be honest the ability of an editor to show such levels of knowledge about this place, in such a short time, partly undermines Kubura's arguments that one needs two years experience. You seem to have picked it up in next to no time. Pedro : Chat 10:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC) strike that - I was looking at another users contrib history, and apologies. Pedro : Chat 10:19, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, and thanks for the compliments to my understanding! :) Relata refero (talk) 10:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Community doesn't have so high criteria as me, and I'll be overvoted. I gave my opinion and vote, you gave your opinions and votes, and that's it. End of story. Simple as that. Kubura (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay... care to ask a steward to desysop the 800 or so admins that hasn't been here for 2 years? — DarkFalls ^talk 08:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think that there was a discussion about that on Wikipedia project (recently), however I haven't been thinking about that, nor intending to give my opinion about that. Kubura (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also like to see all of the contributions of people who aren't wearing a purple jumper with Globe shoes oversighted, if that's possible...? -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dissident. Please, stay serious. Kubura (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Buru. Please, stop trolling. Majorly (talk) 13:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As pointed out by several people here and at AN/I, this criterion is perfectly valid. Given that, I suggest you retract your accusation. Trolling is a word thrown out a little too often here these days. Relata refero (talk) 13:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is not valid. If you don't like me criticising stupid criteria, don't oppose with it. Simple as that. Majorly (talk) 13:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
THey're not my criteria, but they're as intelligent as a lot of others I've seen. And my objection wasn't to your criticism - which I didnt see - but your use of the word trolling. Which was unwarranted. Relata refero (talk) 14:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You haven't seen much then. And it was warranted. Majorly (talk) 14:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was around when they invented RfA, so I've seen enough. And if you think that it was warranted, you had better deal with the several people who indicated that that user had a perfect right to his opinion. Your use of the word, now, that was provocative. Relata refero (talk) 14:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this and this lead me to think you have trouble using the word 'keep', combined with using caps lock inappropriately and this..I dunno how to categorise that one, but combined with a lack of mainspace edits makes me worry about hasty deletions and civility issues when not on best behaviour for RfA. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:29, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Your rationale confuses me. Both of the AfD's you pointed out are "keepers" granted he didn't write the word "keep" but he was not endorsing deletion---so how do these make you think that he will be prone to hasty deletions? Balloonman (talk) 09:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was noting that when he notes that an article should be kept, use of the actual word is avoided, reminding me of the various sit-com gags where a commitment-phobic person is unable to say the l-word (i.e. love). That in of itself is not a huge concern, but when I note that with an overall deletion-take at AfD, and lack of article writing experience, and some somewhat inopportune comments, it tips it into the negative for me whether this person will be a net positive as a sysop. Wouldn't take much to get in the 'black' - a successful Good Article shows mainspace and ability to work collaboratively to me well.cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Calisber, I hope you'll look again at this candidate and reconsider your opinion here. There is no need in AfD discussion to use and bold the words "keep" or "delete" - indeed doing so is what misleads some into thinking the process is a vote. The closing admin would clearly in those two cases understand that Seresin advocated that the articles should be kept. I think you're making a lot out of the fact the word wasn't used - you seem to assume this conceals a phobic aversion to keeping articles, which seems to me a fairly extreme conclusion, could he not be given the benefit of the doubt? WjBscribe 14:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Casliber, AfD is a discussion last time I checked. Do you think it is appropriate to encourage (read: force, in the context of opposing their RfA) other users to treat AfD like a vote rather than a discussion, where the most important word (for you) is keep/delete. What's next? Will you oppose someone for not writing support/oppose in an RfA? User:Dorftrottel 14:55, February 7, 2008
Rather deletionst, and seems to misunderstand commons precdent. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 09:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. User seems too keen on deleting stuff, and apparently has something against "list" articles. Votes beginning with I hate lists like these or ' o.O That's a very indiscriminate list are quite unsatisfactory. This shows that user doesn't understand the concept of "minor" in fiction articles. I'm also concerned about the diffs cited above by Casliber and Dihydrogen Monoxide. Particularly, I'd respectfully request that user Seresin avoid WRITING ALL IN CAPS because it looked like he was shouting at other editors, which is not at all helpful conduct in AfD discussions. Sorry. --PeaceNT (talk) 10:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Writing in caps is NEVER HELPFUL, even outside of AfD. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂0) 10:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Just a bit overanxious to delete it seems. I dunno... Jmlk 1 7 12:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Limited commitment to building the encyclopedia. Espresso Addict (talk) 12:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral

Comment

AfD is based on consensus. Voicing a point of view in a consensus discussion over an AfD is not an action. In the examples listed above, Seresin did not suggest speedy delete; Seresin voiced an opinion in a consensus discussion. If this editor becomes an admin, Seresin will still voice a point of view. That isn't an abuse of power. Kingturtle (talk) 11:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree, it should be acceptable for candidates to be more deletionist (or inclusionist) than the current version of the notability guideline. Addhoc (talk) 12:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 #'''Support'''. Good contribs.  Seems unflappable. --[[User:PTR|PTR]] ([[User talk:PTR|talk]]) 14:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 #Support, a good user (and partly to counter some of the most stupid opposes I've ever seen). '''[[User:Majorly|<span style="color:#002bb8">Majorly</span>]]''' (''[[User talk:Majorly|talk]]'') 14:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
+#Per Casliber, I sorta kinda feel like the opposition does not make very convincing points. User:[[User talk:Dorftrottel|Dorftrottel]] 14:57,&nbsp;[[February 7]],&nbsp;20[[Special:Random|08]]
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