Talk:Ed Gein

more plagiarism?

There seems to be more material from the Crime Library page in the "Deaths of family members" section.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/gein/2b.html

In fact, rather large parts appear to have been lifted directly, though occasionally a sentence is missing or slightly different.

Tabethah (talk) 16:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for this, I was wondering why the article reads like a biased biography rather than an NPOV encyclopaedia reference. This needs a re-write, citations and independent verification of facts. I'll put this on my watch list and try to contribute when I can. - and you will know know me by the trail of dead. (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have rewritten parts of this to diminish the plagiarism. It's not all been checked and still needs more copy editing and sourcing. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:16, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

New picture

Can we please remove the picture standing of Ed Gein right now? It seems relatively unknown and I could provide a much better one of him right after his arrest. Also, is it alright to add pictures from the crime scene, or would it be too grisly for wiki standards? Crazyconan (talk) 05:12, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

• Can you post a link to the other picture here, so we can see it? And for your second question, if you mean the picture of Bernice Worden's corpse hanging by its ankles, I don't know if that's appropriate. It's not TOO gruesome, so it may be alright. GSMR (talk) 19:44, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
• Okay, I'll get that as soon as I can, and I was thinking we could also add a picture of the inside of his house (I'll try and find a mild one, but knowing Gein, that may be hard). - Crazyconan (talk) 21:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Eddie?

Just wondering, why is Gein referred to as "Eddie" several times in the article? This is unprofessional, I assumed it was vandalism at first, but even now, several weeks after I first noticed, "Eddie" is present in the "Death of family members" section many times.

I believe he be referred to as either "Ed" or "Gein", but not "Eddie". Can I fix this? GSMR (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

• He was mentioned as Eddie in the films and some documents, but yes, some of this should be revised. - Crazyconan (talk) 04:32, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
• Okay, done. GSMR (talk) 02:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Overlinking...

Am I the only person who seems to notice that this article is ridiculously overlinked, judging by the guidelines of WP:CONTEXT? Links to things barely relevant to the topic exist everywhere in this article, just take a look at it to see for yourself. I'm too lazy to fix it all myself, but just letting you all know that it probably SHOULD be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.49.132 (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

cannibalism ?

I noticed that this article is in the "American cannibals" category, but except severe corps mutilation, I find no reference of cannibalism in this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.235.156.18 (talk) 08:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Based on the text of the article, as well as reading various other sites about him, any references to cannibalism and necrophilia are unproven, though certainly it's a fine line in cases like using skullcaps as soup bowls. --Rob (talk) 03:54, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you understand what necrophilia means if you don't see that keeping body parts and etc. is clear cut textbook proof of it. I restored that category. DreamGuy (talk) 00:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Pop Culture

There is also a song by Mudvayne called Nothing to Gein that is all about this guy. I'm not a good writer but if someone might want to include that?

Please note that trivia additions, whether they are called "Trivia", "Popular culture", "Further information" or any other similar title, are discouraged on Wikipedia and are likely to be removed. Further, the decision for articles within the scope of the WP:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography group has been to limit the listing of what essentially amounts to trivial and pop culture mention to those items which are notably and specifically about, or by, the person in question in film, tv, literature and music and to avoid having, adding to, or starting, extensive and exhaustive lists of each and every time the person's name gets mileage in the entertainment field. These are largely articles about convicted murders and/or rapists and there is really no place in a fact-based, straight-forward article about someone who fits that description for inclusion of "fun facts" like mentions in songs, South Park or The Simpsons. It is outside the focus of Wikipedia and inappropriate. Thank you. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:49, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Per the comments about not adding trivia additions I have remove this from the article[1]. I really don't think the listings should be added as all it adds is unneeded information to the article. This edit opens the door to anyone who finds anyone who does artistic renditions about the subject to be added.--CrohnieGal^Talk 13:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I support your removal. An effort needs to continue to keep this sort of haphazard listing out of this and similar articles. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The first "official murder" for which he was charged occurred on December 8, 1954 and the next on November 16, 1957. He attacked his last victim in her store and dragged her body to his truck, which was parked out back (he later said he was examining the cash register to see how it worked and she thought he was trying to rob her. Enraged at being called a thief, he beat her to death). Later that evening the victim's son, a local deputy sheriff, stopped in at the store to check on his mother and found the doors unlocked, the cash register missing and a trail of blood leading out to the back door. He recalled that he had seen Ed at the store earlier that afternoon. When the police went to his farm, they found her headless body in his shed (they also found the cash register, which had been taken apart, but there was still money in the cash drawer. Apparently Ed was telling the truth when he said all he wanted was to see how it worked). In addition, they found his strange human "furniture" and a refrigerator full of human organs. Gein was arrested and immediately confessed to his crimes. On January 16, 1958, he was judged insane and sent to Central State Hospital at Waupun, WI. In November 1968 he was tried again. He was now diagnosed to have chronic schizophrenia, found "not guilty by reason of insanity" and returned to Waupun. It was later theorized that Gein may have killed two men who hired him as their hunting guide and were never seen again, and two other unidentified women whose body parts were found at his farm. In 1978 he was moved to Mendota Mental Health Institute. Gein was a model prisoner and died quietly in his sleep in the geriatric psychiatric ward.75.53.88.69 (talk) 17:01, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Gosh, what a nice little summary of the life of Ed Gein. You should really pursue employment at IMDB as the person who writes the film summary. Is there a point to this? Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:58, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

WHY IS THIS? IT'S A HUGE HELP TO PEOPLE WHO RESEARCH A TOPIC AND WANT TO KNOW OF SUCH REFERENCES. Also in the case of "Nothing to Gein" it is one of the links that SHOULD be included given that it is not simply "a band named after the person" but actually a song biographically about the person. Actually a song that is biographically about the subject is much MORE relevant than some band that happened to be named partially after the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yacoub80 (talk • contribs)

Because such references aren't relevant to the article's subject or the reason the person is notable. If you want to research songs about Ed Gein, may I suggest Google? Exhaustive lists of songs and the like are unencyclopedic and ... trivia. Songs aren't generally "biographical", but only highlight small parts of what is mostly common knowledge and aren't reliably researched. The project has determined such lists are inappropriate for these articles and will be removed. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Disagree. Triviality is an inherent part of encyclopedic facts, it is not something you can separate out from among such facts, as all facts can be used as trivia. It is not possible to use "trivia" as a label or differentiator of what should or should not be included. If you look around Wikipedia you'll note that most of the better pages have a section that notes substantial or significant references to the item the page is about. It is a very useful/helpful/educational aspect to any complete page. Oh and apologies for the poor formatting of my previous reply. I am new to the "talk" aspect of Wikipedia. Yacoub80 (talk) 00:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

TWO victims?

I've read at several sources that there were probably about 12 victims, based on the number of stored bodyparts around Gein's house. Why does the article say only two? --24.21.149.124 (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

• He was only every convicted of two murders. GSMR (talk) 20:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)