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(t · c) buidhe 04:27, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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White House press sec

In controversies can you please add the word falsely claim? Thank you. People are white washing 47.203.28.160 (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Toa Nidhiki05. Just a heads up: you're right at three reverts for this 24 hour period. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies

It was inappropriate for me to bring up your behavior in an edit summary like that. My apologies. --Hipal (talk) 19:58, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the apology, but I would also appreciate clarification as to how changing "attacked" back to "criticized" is a blockworthy offense. Toa Nidhiki05 20:10, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I hope we can let this rest, or at least cool down. --Hipal (talk) 20:29, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Hipal: Not that I've been involved in the dispute at the KJP article at all, but it's laughable to refer to the content Toa added back as "unsourced or poorly sourced defamatory . . . content". Regardless of whether you think including it in the article is undue, the Times of London is a reliable source, and no one has disputed the veracity of the claim, so I'm not sure why you suggest it's defamatory. Accusing someone of defamation without any suggestion that what they have written is untrue is the very definition of a bad-faith accusation. Seems like you and Toa might want to take a step back from the discussion for a day or two. Wallnot (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's a standard message for repeated BLP violations. We all know that. Let's not pretend otherwise. --Hipal (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think Toa has committed any cut and dry BLP violations. At worst what he has added back gives undue weight to the event. But it is verifiable, as your repeated references to WP:ONUS concede. It doesn't matter that it's a template; it's inappropriate to use a template that accuses an editor of defamation where, as here, they have not said anything defamatory. Wallnot (talk) 00:11, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We disagree. My apologies for not taking the time to give a final warning more fit the situation. Let's focus on what we're here for, to build an encyclopedia. --Hipal (talk) 01:07, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to build an encyclopedia, let alone engage in good faith, when you are being falsely accused of defamation. Toa Nidhiki05 03:03, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I'm sorry. --Hipal (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

word of advice

Viriditas seems to be getting very worked up about this. They lashed out at me the other day merely for pointing out that their reasoning for exclusion was not grounded in policy, and they seem eager to accuse you of bad faith, disruptive editing, BLP violations, etc. I would suggest keeping a cool head. I don't see how the reverts help your case at all.

For the record, I'm not sure I agree with you that the memoir etc. ought to be cut (though I have no interest in getting involved). I'd just hate to see you get baited into another ban when you seem to be arguing in good faith. Wallnot (talk) 01:30, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try. To say this has been insanely frustrating is an understatement, and frankly the degree of vitriol and veto behavior has severely hampered my faith in the benefits of rational discussion. Toa Nidhiki05 02:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, the 2021 CNN source says "invalidates". The 2005 CNN source is superior for content about the 2004 election. It includes the text, The move was not designed to overturn Bush's re-election, said Ohio Rep. Stephanie Tubbs Jones and California Sen. Barbara Boxer, who filed the objection. The objecting Democrats, all of whom are House members except Boxer, said they wanted to draw attention to the need for aggressive election reform in the wake of what they said were widespread voter problems. That directly contradicts "invalidates". Let's not go down this road of edit warring, again. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Bionicle Heroes Page's Modding Section Reversal

Hi, I edited in the section regarding the game's modding scene this afternoon and saw it has been reverted. With tens of thousands of hits and coverage through fan-sites, and with modding for other games on the site mentioned, what would be your bar for notable? Considering the game's niche appeal and audience anyway, even on release, this level of attention being paid to the game again by Bionicle fans as a result of, largely, the modding scene, seems worthy of note. There's also a few YouTube videos with a few thousand hits covering various mods. 82.39.243.28 (talk) 18:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Has this been covered in any reliable sources? It seems very interesting Toa Nidhiki05 18:27, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you're referring to the numbers, those can be seen by visiting the ModDB mods tab of the Heroes page here https://www.moddb.com/games/bionicle-heroes/mods and viewing the publicly available analytics. ModDB is a reliable modding platform that has been around for 20 years with about 5 million visitors a month as of June 2022 and originally hosted monolithic mods like Black Mesa prior to their standalone releases. I can vouch for the modding scene itself as an active participant in it, and would be happy to introduce you to the Discord where discussion takes place so you can see for yourself the community basis. I'm also ModDB's editor and community manager (a role I inhabited last year in June 2021, so my Bionicle Heroes modding scene interactions predate that employment but I've continued them since), which is part of the reason I took an interest in documenting the game years ago and can vouch for ModDB's reliability as a platform. Happy to elaborate however is necessary for yourself. Also happy to take this onto another platform if you'd like more info and/or to verify the credentials I've outlined above (if so, my Discord is Kralich/David#0901). I don't have a Wikipedia account as this was a somewhat off-the-cuff edit, but felt this was also worth fighting for a little given how much work (and how much reception, relatively) getting modding going for the game has been. Thanks for the consideration. 82.39.243.28 (talk) 18:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey again - have you considered what I've mentioned above? Any points you'd like to verify? I'm keen for the modding scene that has been built and evolved over the last two years to get some recognition. I think giving a mostly-forgotten tie-in game a second lease of life over 15 years later deserves a mention.82.39.243.28 (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Recent reverts

Hi, you reverted but didn't explain, please understand that is not cooperative and that explanations should always be given so that the issue can be discussed. Altanner1991 (talk) 15:08, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would you care to explain please? Altanner1991 (talk) 15:15, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would report you but I'm too cool like that. But this goes on. Altanner1991 (talk) 17:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Endorsements...

I didn't add those (such as the Pittsburgh Mayor), but I can't figure out what about them violates WP:ENDORSE, could you please enlighten me?Naraht (talk) 14:10, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Endorsements need to be from notable people, cited to independent reliable sources, and specifically use the word "endorse" or a very closely related synonym in the source. The Pittsburgh mayoral ad is of a notable person... but it's cited to YouTube (not a reliable source) and is simply a campaign ad from the Shapiro campaign; it would be like copy-pasting the endorsement page from a campaign site here, which is also not allowed. The Pittsburgh mayoral one fails both 2 and 3. If a reliable news outlet has reported on this ad, however, then the endorsement would be able to be added. Another great example is the Ben Nelson "endorsement", which if you read the article could not possibly be construed as such; Nelson was simply giving a vague comment about bipartisanship and needing to build coalitions. He never once expressed support for Fetterman, let alone an endorsement. Toa Nidhiki05 14:16, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Revert of my edit to the Democratic Party page

Hello. You recently reverted my edit to the Democratic Party page on the grounds that references to European parties "didn't make sense here." I would like to state that my reasoning for this edit was that it provides a comparison of how far left the Democratic Party has shifted for the reader to get a better sense of how the party currently stands in the ideological spectrum with a concrete example rather than just saying "more to the left." I believe this improves the article considerably. Furthermore, if this comparison to European parties was the grounds for my edits' removal, why was the additional sentence after that which had nothing to do with European parties also removed? BootsED (talk) 22:22, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Claims that the Democratic party was center-right in 2008 are fairly demonstrably false. Toa Nidhiki05 22:37, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again. You did not answer my question as to why you removed my edit beforehand and gave the reasoning that you did. The claim that the Democratic Party was center-right in 2008 was not in the second sentence. Lastly, my source is the Manifesto Project Database and The Economist. If you believe that these sources are "demonstrably false" then please make your case. BootsED (talk) 22:57, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As it has been a day since you last responded I will take it that you have conceded your point. I will add my edit back onto the page, however, as a gesture of good faith to your concern, I will remove the assertion that the Democratic Party was center-right in 2008, as I can see how the claim can be confusing to the reader without a greater familiarity with the methodology used by the source itself. If you still object to my edit, please let me know and we can continue discussing my changes. However, please do not undo my edit again or I will involve wiki administration to arbitrate this dispute. Thank you. BootsED (talk) 02:40, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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