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GA Nomination Straw Poll

I'm all for this, but I'm very busy in real life. I'd like to take a straw poll to see exactly what our various opinions are, so we can fix things, and/or pick a good time to nominate this during which we can defend our work. Therefore...

Support nomination but not too soon if it's all the same with the rest of you. I don't have the time to adress things at the drop of a hat, what with schoolwork being particularly heavy right now. Thanatosimii 20:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided for now. It still needs some work. I think once it's been improved some more it'll make an excellent GA nominee. — E ditor at Large ^(speak) 15:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Ah, what the heck. Go for it! After seeing some other articles that made GA I'd say this one'll do well. And if it doesn't make it, we'll at least have some good recommendations on what to fix up. — E ditor at Large ^(speak) 02:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support nomination but I agree with Thanatosimii on the "not too soon". I am very busy at the moment myself, for much of this month and the start of November. Having gone through the ordeal of getting an article through for Featured Article status, I would hope that the one for Good Article status would be considerably less of a fuss. But there's no rush as I see it, and there have been some additional good contributions by others of late as well. Captmondo 23:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support nomination – I would just go for it, and if it gets shotdown in flames, renominate later. Markh 11:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there it goes. Let's see how well this goes. Thanatosimii 04:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't know how a GA nomination proceeds... Do we have to defend it anywhere, like for FA? Thanatosimii 04:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I passed the article, after making some very minor edits, all to do with language. I cant make any suggestions for improvement, since I'm not an expert in the field, but I see no reason why it shouldnt make FA as is. Great work! Druworos 14:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mechanical trouble

For some reason, the tomb equipment of Ahhotep is not showing up, even though it's still in the actual code of the page... Does anyone know exactly why? Thanatosimii 00:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One of the footnotes was missing a forward slash so it was hiding both the image and the next two paragraphs. Maybe the rest should be checked as well. — [zɪʔɾɪdəʰ] · ☥ 01:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Photo

Is a creepy mummy photo really the best thing to use for the front page image of this guy? I mean, sure, its him... but thats kinda like putting a jar of ashes as the photo for Gandhi, aint it? Murple 01:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The shabti isn't a free image and cannot be on the main page. It's fair use, but Today's featured article can't use free use images. I'd prefer to use the shabti picture too, but such is life. Thanatosimii 01:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't really make any sense to me... free use isn't free to use? That seems rather silly, but OK... Murple 07:26, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use is only free to use solely to illustrate the subject in question (i.e. on the Ahmose I article page), so that having such a picture on related pages (i.e. the main page) may not qualify as fair use, if I'm right in thinking this...--HisSpaceResearch 14:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. As soon as I saw this I was a little creeped out. It's like using autopsy photos of JFK off of rotten.com for his article. 68.55.58.183 03:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree all you like, but as I have said, nothing can be done about that. The Shabti is not a free image. If any of you live in brookyln and want to go take and GFDL a picture of the shabti in the Brooklyn museum, please do. However, we don't live there, and can't do anything about it. Thanatosimii 04:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the Brooklyn museum then? In that case, I intend to contend that it's replacable... Nil Einne 15:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see "one of which resides in the Brooklyn Museum of Art, the other in the Khartoum Museum". I'll be tagging it {{fair use replace}} as soon as it's unprotected if an admin doesn't earlier. Nil Einne 15:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is quite unreplaceable. First of all, the other images are of colossal statuary, what we need is that shabti, that's only in brooklyn I believe (or perhaps it was in the british museum). Second, that tag says "It should be possible for someone to create or find a freely licensed replacement for this fair use work". Find; no. All such images are copyrighted. Create an adequate replacement; also no. Any replacement is likely to be a cruddy duplicate at best. It is not practically possible to replace that image. Thanatosimii 18:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Er you seem confused. Given that the shabti is in a public museum in Brooklyn, there is absolutely no reason why someone can't photograph the one in Brooklyn museum and freely license the image rather then use using a photo taken from some British museum under fair use as we currently do. No one is talking about replacing the shabti itself, there is absolutely no need since the info we have suggests there are two shabti's in exitance, publicly viewable and we assumeable photographable... The shabti itself can't be copyrighted since it was create several thousands years ago and thankfully even with the current insane copyright laws on the US, they don't consider such a work copyrighted Nil Einne 16:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is only one shabti, and it is in the british museum, now that I check it. The other two are colossi. I am not certain that any of them are publically viewable at any given time. We would love a free image replacement, however the chances that it can be done are very low. That is, unless wikipedia wants to finance a several thousand dollar trip to britain for either myself (A native minnesotan), a Portlander or a denzien of Toronto. My objection is that the fair use argument stands on sound legal footing – the statement that the image should not be replaceable is wikipedia's requirement, not the law's, and recall that one of the highest rules is ignore most of the rules if they interfere with wikipedia's best interest. With no legal qualms, while a free image is better, no such image is avalable within reason. The tag you wish to put on says that the image may be deleted if progress is not made within a reasonable amount of time, and the demands being asked of us are unreasonable; yet some delete-happy admin is surely going to come in and delete the image anyhow, if you put that tag up. Thanatosimii 20:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, there's more apparently. The wikipedia rules say, "not reasonably repeatable," thus establishing that my position is actually in alignment with the letter of the law for wikipedia too! Thanatosimii 20:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I work 5 minutes walk from the British Museum, do you want me to get anything photoed ? Markh 20:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Um, Nil Einne, forget all that; I forgot Markh was british (slinks off sheepishly) Thanatosimii 20:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Depends if the British shabti is photographable. The implication of [1] suggests that it is part of a special collection not typically on show to the public, and whether or not they would allow Markh to come in and take a photo for Wikipedian purposes is unlikely. Captmondo 15:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can probably get to see it, but taking a photo is probably out of the question. Is there any other depiction of him available ? Markh 19:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dab repairing

Could someone fix the Ahhotep dab? I'm not sure which queen is supposed to be. --Brand спойт 00:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanatosimii 04:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

query dominant info box

Is it possible to put the info box on the right? Some pharoah articles have these and it seems a neater way to get to the textual information quickly. If this wall-to-wall layout is not 'style' and putting it on the right is, can someone change it and explain how it's done please? Julia Rossi 00:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it can be done until Markh finds the free version of the image we need in the near future. Thanatosimii 04:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the layout change is due entirely to someone adding the replaceable fair use image request in the pharaoh infobox, which screws up the layout. When that request goes away (possibly taking the image with it) then the infox will return to the usual right-aligned formatting. Captmondo 15:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, people... Julia Rossi 06:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmoses, and Moses?

Has this connection ever been entertained? certainly a Pharoah under the name Ahmoses, leading nearly 100,000 semites thru the desert to Canaan might possibly have lead an impression on later generations?

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 ::The reason for the layout change is due entirely to someone adding the replaceable fair use image request in the pharaoh infobox, which screws up the layout. When that request goes away (possibly taking the image with it) then the infox will return to the usual right-aligned formatting. [[User:Captmondo|Captmondo]] 15:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 :::Thanks,  people... [[User:Julia Rossi|Julia Rossi]] 06:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
+== Ahmoses, and Moses? ==
+Has this connection ever been entertained? certainly a Pharoah under the name Ahmoses, leading nearly 100,000 semites thru the desert to Canaan might possibly have lead an impression on later generations?