Talk:PlayStation Portable

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"Colour" vandalism

According to the Manual of Style, an article should use the same dialect throughout. This article consistently uses Britsh or International English rather than American English. The same manual then goes on to say:

Editors should not change the spelling used in an article wholesale from one variant to another, unless there is a compelling reason to do so (which will rarely be the case). Other editors are justified in reverting such changes.

And furthermore,

Finally, in the event of conflicts on this issue, please remember that if the use of your preferred version of English seems like a matter of great national pride to you, the differences are actually relatively minor

While I doubt most of the random IPs who tend to be changing any use of the word "colour" in this article to "color" would actually read this, it should be kept to such a consistent style. - ZakuSage 16:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't really see the argument for this article being "mostly British English". It uses "ize" rather than "ise" and uses "color" in another place. In fact, "colour" seems to be the only non-American spelling used in this article. Granted, there is nothing about this article that dictates which dialect it should be written in, but from what I can tell it's currently "mostly" American English, albeit by a small margin. I really don't care which dialect the article uses as long as its consistant, but I think your argument is a little weak. -- mattb @ 2007-01-19T18:42Z

The article uses "-ize" in 3 places (one of which even Oxford, which International English stems from, now uses -ize), while using "-ise" in 5. License makes use of the American form... "analog" is labelled in the American form, though I've never really seen even SCEE make use of the term "analogue" when referring to the stick. After running through American and British English spelling differences really quickly, that's about all I could find in use in the American form. As you said though, it doesn't matter much which way the article reads as long as it is consistent, and in that same sense I'd still say it significantly makes use of British or International more often; moving from the current scheme minus the color/colour to American English would require more changes than moving entirely to British/International English. - ZakuSage 15:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Unofficial features

Things such as homebrew software have been traditionally kept to a separate article, and which is then briefly summarized in a small section in this article. I notice that a couple of editors are consistently trying to incorporate this into the general prose. This generally shouldn't be done because such things are largely unofficial. For instance, I could use the PSP as a paper-weight, but it isn't mentioned in the article, nor should it be. I could also use a toaster to burn books, but that's not mentioned in its article either. Hacks and homebrew software should be kept to the homebrew specific article; leave this one to official features. - ZakuSage 16:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Just as an aside, I realize that most of the people editing an article on PSP are going to be those who are quite savvy with the device and would likely use homebrew programs and have a large focus on firmwares when doing anything with the device, including myself, however it really harms the readability of the average reader to incorporate such a focus into the article. Most people who will read this article will be confused if the focus leans to much on people who already know a lot about the device. I'm not saying we should write for the lowest common denominator, but we should try to work towards an article that is interesting and informative for all who read it. - ZakuSage 16:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Compared to the Zune article...

this article is cr*ap...the zune article list all its features and everything it can do, bt when i try to add things about the pictures formats psp can view, it gets deleted.... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs).

Maybe if you'd sign your comments properly people would respond to your inquiries faster. Use the four tilde signs to sign your username to comments. Mattygabe 22:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Justifying your edits to one article based on how another article is (poorly) written is seldom a relevant argument. It was explained above that it is not the purpose of this article to list every feature of the product and that attempting to do so only clutters up the text. I might also add that all of these features are enumerated in great detail in externally linked resources. Encyclopedia articles summarize; they do not seek to be product manuals or try to provide the basis for a side-by-side comparison of consumer electronics. There's no need to get so excited just because we do not wish to add a laundry list of features to this article. -- mattb @ 2007-01-03T23:43Z

well it seems the purpose of the zune article is to list all its features, both article r on the same site so they should be close to the same, and if the zune article list all its features than the psp one should...

Nope, that isn't how things work here. -- mattb @ 2007-01-05T14:44Z

And aside from everything above, the Zune is a DAP and the PSP is a handheld gaming device, that happens to play music and videos. The two aren't related. If you want to compare it to something, compare it to the DS.... --Cmsjustin 17:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The PSP Demo stand alone article

If you find any download able demos for the PSP or find out that your local EBGAMES/Gamestop is giving them out please post this info in the article. It will help everyone looking to get a taste of free stuff. --Shamo0 02:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos

I've noticed that, including the picture of the console itself in the infobox, this entire article only has two photographs. For an article of this length, it might be beneficial to brighten things up a bit. If anyone can think of some items to add, I can do the leg-work and either locate an appropriate picture or take one myself. - ZakuSage 02:30, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

add a pic of the new psp camera or the psp with the Umd slot open with a UMD sticking out..... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deananoby2 (talk • contribs) 00:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC).

headphones

Someone told me the other day that you can't use headphones not especially made for the PSP. I came here, thinking i'd find something on the matter, but could not. Can anyone give me any insight? Thank you.71.8.41.143 03:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Thayer

Talk page is not the place for discussion on the article's subject, but yes you can as it uses standard headphone jacks (just as I'd assume most people would expect). - ZakuSage 00:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Poor game sales compared to DS

I think this needs to be mentioned. Even if you are a PSP fanboy, you can't ignore these kind of facts.

In Japan:

• 18 DS games have sold better than the top selling PSP game.
• Only one PSP game has sold more than 500K, and no games have sold more than 1M.
• The top selling DS game has sold 3,508,819 more games than the top selling PSP game. That's 625% more.
• Over twice as many DS games have sold 100K units than PSP games.

No matter how you look at that, the PSP is getting slaughtered in Japan. Of course, these aren't worldwide sales mind you, but I don' think the PSP is winning anywhere. I think this is important to mention somewhere. System sales aren't as big of a gap (DS sold 17% more worldwide, not including Lite), but a gap of 625% in terms of best selling game is big deal and needs mentioning.

PSP game sales in Japan DS game sales in Japan--SeizureDog 01:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

For neutrality's sake, as well as not creating a troll magnet, I'd say it's not a good idea. Note that in it's current state, the article makes no mention of the DS for one very good reason: this article is about PSP, not DS, nor the competition between them. Also note that in the article for Nintendo DS there is only one careful mention of PSP, which itself is contained in a very poorly constructed section that needs a clean-up anyway. Perhaps such information would be best left to comparison articles or the "History of video games" article on this subject? - ZakuSage 01:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, personally I think every console article should have some information on how it fared against its competitors. I actually came to this article a while back specifically to see how it compared to the DS in sales and was surprised to find no comparisions. I'll admit to being a Nintendo fanboy, but I just as equally want information of how the PS1 beat out the N64 as shown in the Nintendo 64 article. I find avoiding the subject actually less neutral than mentioning it as it conveys a sense of "let's not mention any bad things about it". Plus, I'm sure critical opinion can be found speculating on why the DS won in the handheld market (probably something along the lines of the PSP spreading itself out too thin with all of the multimedia stuff).--SeizureDog 16:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I think if anything we should just let the facts speak for themselves; state the beleaguered software sales and leave it at that. If possible, I think we should try to find numbers for the entire world as well, rather than just for Japan, as this is an international encyclopedia. Focusing too much on the competition really only will end with a poorly constructed article and inevitably non-neutral article, as has happened with the one for N64. Additionally, I think the best thing to do would be to avoid speculation as it could well be any number of things causing a lack of software sales. - ZakuSage 05:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Flags

A common trend that has begun cropping up is, instead of using flag icons for the release dates, people have been using superscript shortened titles for the regions. I bring this forward because the PSP was released in North America, not the US, on the release date mentioned on the site. If no one objects I'll change the flag icons to things like ^NA and ^EU. --Thaddius 17:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

It would eba good idea to actually protect this page. Too much vandalism. Toajaller3146 06:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

why the fuck does Zakusage think he owns this page?

I mean seriously anytime anyone edits it he reverts it. wikipedia rules say you don't get to own pages, zakusage this is your one warning, next time you pull this page owning crap im filing for having you removed.