Talk:Windows 10

Splitting this article

I tagged this article with {{long}}. The page is over 200,000 bytes and can be inaccessible to those with slow Internet connections. It also takes a long time to generate a preview of the page in the VisualEditor. I'd suggest this page be split into individual articles, one for each version of Windows 10, especially because Microsoft has been using the same model that Apple and Google uses for major updates for the past five years. Aasim (talk) 05:27, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Can I propose that we add Development and Features of Windows 10 TapticInfo (talk) 14:03, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Reception

The "Reception" section is mostly a mirror to the Criticism of Windows 10 article, excluding the "Market share and sales" subsection. I believe that the other subsections should be summarized, and any major differences between the subsections and those found in the Criticism of Windows 10 article could be included in that article before summarizing. Otherwise it doesn't serve a purpose. --93.44.108.28 (talk) 10:22, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

GWX article is needed

I was directed to this article from a search for GWX.

Involuntary forced adoption of Windows 10 was and still is a major issue and a major problem for Windows 7 users.

It appears that MS may be starting a new campaign to force Windows 10 on persistent Windows 7 users.

Information on these issues should be available on Wikipedia. ---Dagme (talk) 03:44, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

This Issue

You told me to Orrinpants (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Windows 10's End of Life date revealed on Microsoft Docs

Apparently, according to an official Microsoft source, Windows 10 will be retired on 2025-10-14. It might be too early to change the page yet, but perhaps later on it'll be appropriate. Applicable source: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro SamJoe404 (talk) 23:53, 10 June 2021 (UTC) SamJoe404 – Unleash your creativity!!

That's a partially outdated document the 2025 so called end of life only applies to Windows 10 Enterprise 2015 LTSB and Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2015 LTSB not home and pro also see https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/lifecycle/faq/windows - which clearly states that Windows 10 is following a Windows as service which includes twice-per year updates one feature and one service pack that is permanent it'll only have an end of life if you don't update to the next feature update. There will be no Windows 11 or 12 but there has been some rumours circulating online that when Windows 7 & 8 expires fully that Windows 10 might I mean might get re-branded to just Windows if that happens it'll happen naturally with a new Windows 10 update and done automatically but nothing official yet has come from Microsoft but that's just a rumour and if you go on the Microsoft Community forums a lot of discussions had taken place with people constantly asking the same question and basically they all get told the same thing. Don't believe everything you read online, rumours are rumours. Regards ShadowWarfare 14:46, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

 Comment: There are already news articles covering the non-enterprise Windows 10 EoL, but I personally think it would be wise to wait for the formal unveiling event of Windows "11", since it would be undoubtedly be addressed there. - 49.147.235.23 (talk) 10:58, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Windows kernel isn't Linux-based

This article has claimed that Windows 10 has a combination of Linux and WNT because of WSL2. This claims were unsourced or appeared as a major misinterpretation of the sources used. WSL2, for all intents and purposes (and fair enough, this is a simplification) is a virtual machine that has access to the hosts file system and not mush else. The Linux kernel isn't used to run anything within Windows. Claiming this is a partially-based Linux kernel would be the same as installing Windows in a VM on macOS and claiming that that makes macOS run on Windows NT. Not to mention that WSL is an optional component that even after activating still requires you to actually download the Linux kernel (as part of a WSL distro like Ubuntu) from the Microsoft Store. That's simply not how a kernel works and would imply that if I installed multiple WSLs then all of these would be part of that kernel, which is nonsense of course. Thus I've removed these claims from both this article and the Windows 11 article. --YannickFran (talk) 07:48, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@YannickFran: Note that it was reverted because you also removed the hybrid classification (the "hybrid" there means that it has combined characteristics of monolithic and microkernels, note that for NT specifically it is heavily debated but as of now the consensus is to classify it as hybrid until a compelling evidence suggest otherwise). I've put up another edit only removing the Linux kernel from the kernel classification. - 49.147.235.23 (talk) 11:51, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Additional clarifications: as stated on its FAQ, WSL2 "uses Hyper-V architecture to enable its virtualization." On WSL2's introduction it was additionally stated that "While WSL 2 does use a VM, it is managed and run behind the scenes, leaving you with the same user experience as WSL 1." For WSL1, the architecture was thoroughly discussed here, which clearly stated that WSL1 was not derived from Linux kernel but rather an emulation of system calls used by Linux-based userland applications. - 49.147.235.23 (talk) 12:22, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Clarifications (2): The edit that placed the article stated this:

I'm trying to avoid WP:OR here, for sure the Linux kernel is included in Windows 10 now, but only for Linux programs, full syscall support (not full IOCTL support? I see for Nvidia support: "the dxgkrnl using a set of private IOCTL calls"). The GPU support is for e.g. machine learning, i.e. compute, not graphics; what I see (included already?), for graphics/vizualization: "The dxgkrnl driver is expected to bring support for GPU acceleration to WSL 2 containers with the WDDM 2.9 version."

I'll let the interpretation up here. - 49.147.235.23 (talk) 12:53, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

It is not 5 years from 2015

The table shows that it is five years from 2015 but it is four years. --Jason The Great Person 03:15, 18 June 2021 (EST)