User talk:Robertsky

Thomasian Welcome Walk

Hi! I am bit confused to what just happened with the article. I was waiting for it to be moved to a separate article, but it just became a redirect? May I know the reason why? I have edited it significantly and I believe that publication of the article is warranted. Thank you! Pampi1010 (talk) 17:02, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Pampi1010, rather to lose the history of the original article and your draft, I proposed a history merge of the draft into the redirect. An admin carried out the histmerge, and I have just cleaned the submission. – robertsky (talk) 23:30, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! It seems that there was just a bit of confusion. I was not able to see the published article until today, maybe uhmm.. its because of the cookies. Thank you again! Pampi1010 (talk) 04:09, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Could you help me, the article seems to be deleted again, just like that. Pampi1010 (talk) 13:32, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thank you for checking out the Thomasian Welcome Walk page Pampi1010 (talk) 10:34, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

@Pampi1010: You are welcome! And thank you for the barnstar! – robertsky (talk) 11:43, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Review of Draft Page for School of the Environment

Thanks for your speedy review of my first attempt at Draft:University of Toronto School of the Environment. I've expanded the article a little, and added a number of citations from secondary sources. I'm relatively new to this - I've made lots of small edits in Wikipedia before, but this is my first new article, so if I've messed up, please let me know! GunterGruen (talk) 21:37, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

Request on 16:52:04, 20 June 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by MarcAnder79

• MarcAnder79 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Andreas Müller-Pohle (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, this submission has already gone through three revisions, and your objection has not been made by anyone before. Could you please specify which statement you consider inappropriate and which sources - they are all neutral third party sources - are not correct? Thank you for an answer as precise as possible. MarcAnder79 (talk) 13:37, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

MarcAnder79 (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

MarcAnder79, 'Exhibitions, Screenings, Installations (selection)' should be removed, see WP:NOTDIR. Also the source is primary source. I don't see the relevance of Quotes section, it comes across as a promotional/puffery section. There are some formatting work that needs to be done for Monographs, Catalogs (selection), Web Links, and Standard Data sections. However, those are minor stuff which we can worry about when the article gets published to the main space. The notability should be reflected in prose in the currently Biography/Work sections. The text seems to support it, however it does require some additional in-line citations, which I will tag accordingly. – robertsky (talk) 21:10, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your hints and comments, I think the noted passages are now all provided with reliable sources. Regarding "Exhibitions, Screenings, Installations": these are an indispensable part of a lexical artist article (compare other artist articles, for example on Sebastiao Salgado) that reflects the notability of the artist. An artist exhibition is not to be confused with a fair exhibition. It is an extension of the artistic work into the public sphere and, along with printed publications and digital presence, the most important medium for connecting the artistic work with the public. At the request of your colleague Ken Tony, I have sourced all the exhibition venues. I have also shortened the list. Many thanks.MarcAnder79 (talk) 12:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Edobong Enobong Akpabio

Hello – robertsky The draft I moved ie Enobong Akoabio was a mistake I was trying to move a draft from draftspace not my sandbox I am infact trying to delete the article. I can't seem to find the move draft from draftspace to mainspace or for review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zend2020 (talk • contribs)

@Zend2020: Add this to the top of the draft to request for deletion: {{Db-author}} – robertsky (talk) 22:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

alternatively, you can simply blank the page and/or leave a remark requesting for deletion on the page. – robertsky (talk) 22:01, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello– robertsky I actually done that already i.e blanked the page before your message came in how could i move a draft for review or to mainspace?--Zend2020 (talk) 22:11, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Zend2020, what you blanked was User:Zend2020/sandbox. Draft:Edobong Enobong Akpabio still exists as it was moved from your sandbox as part of the AfC submission process before you blanked your sandbox. – robertsky (talk) 02:34, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

– robertsky Wow any idea how i can reverse this mess — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zend2020 (talk • contribs)

@Zend2020: you can just blank that page as well. – robertsky (talk) 03:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC

- robertskyMany Thanks--Zend2020 (talk) 06:56, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

DealStreetAsia

Hi – robertsky,

Thanks for your feedback. Can you suggest changes to make this article more neutral? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dealstreetasia Sagekreyol (talk) 00:55, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

61.239.182.35

Hello,

Could you please take a look at the contributions of 61.239.182.35 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)? I suspect that they are all vandalism and should be reversed, but I don't know much about Singapore culture and I don't want to undo a good edit by mistake. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 18:33, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Eastmain, sigh. reverted. – robertsky (talk) 21:13, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

References

So are wikis are good or not on the draft? Starkiryu64 (talk) 23:27, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Starkiryu64, if you mean using fandom as a source, nope. it is classified as a self-published source. The same reason why we can't use Wikipedia itself as a source. – robertsky (talk) 05:40, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Andreas Müller-Pohle

Dear Robertsky, (sorry posted this reply on my Talk page..copying here) Please check the history of Andreas Müller-Pohle Talk page. I tagged it with WikiProject Biography, WikiProject Germany, WikiProject Photography / History. I did not rate it in any of those WikiProjects. KylieTastic has edited it but doesn't appear to have rated it either. There was apparently what must have been a Draft of this page created by the red-linked MarcAnder79 on 9 June (seen in the Talk and Article histories) but that draft didn't come up in my search on 26 June in creating the page from translations from the German and French. MarcAnder79's draft must since been deleted since there is nothing but what I uploaded on the entry. This is weird and very confusing. Jamesmcardle^(talk) 11:17, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jamesmcardle: the history of the draft has since merged into the article. You can look for the draft in the history of the article. – robertsky (talk) 11:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

@Robertsky: I was just responding to your message "Hi, I'm Robertsky. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Andreas Müller-Pohle, and have marked it as unreviewed. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you." which puzzled me because I have not rated Andreas Müller-Pohle - where does it show I had? I tagged only.Jamesmcardle^(talk) 11:34, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Jamesmcardle, oh that. that's because you've autopatrolled permission, which automatically marks any unreviewed article as reviewed. – robertsky (talk) 13:27, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Jacky Liew (Si Gongzi)

Dear Rovertsky, hi. Great to meet you. I would like to explain the page that i submit for review, for the Draft:Jacky Liew (Si Gongzi) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jacky_Liew_(Si_Gongzi)) It was translated from the Chinese version (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BB%96%E5%9F%8E%E5%85%B0) which has been verified that the person has the notability and provided with Chinese reference. If you find that there are something need to be delete, kindly provide me some guidance for me to have amendment and resubmit again. Thank you.

Patricialiew (talk) 15:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Patricialiew, the standards on en.wiki and zh.wiki are different. The sources are lacking for en.wiki. FENG_MIAN_complete.pdf is a Master dissertation, which are usually not peer reviewed and considered as student work. 'The Food Critics Master' is a self-published source, noting that he is the author. Find another source to back up the assertion of 'well-known food critic and author'. So is 'True Nyonya Malacca'. Celebrate the festival with supreme ruler of Negeri Sembilan does not indicate that he was granted with the honours in 2008. Also, it is a self-published source, given that he is the author of the article. Find another source. 'List of Excellence Paper Awards of China International Conference' source is partial, the only page with him mentioned is a recipe under his name, and a list of awards given. This source when seen as it is, does not support the assertion of when and what he received at the China International Symposium. Also what symposium is this? The title of the event is too generic. The only one source with somewhat supporting his notability is 'Buku panduan telefon masyarakat Cina'. However, this is at most a state-wide recognition (assuming Kluang can somewhat represent the whole of JB), not nation-wide recognition. – robertsky (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

– robertsky, thank you for reply, if that i could not find the english version of sources and i deleted the most of the above things, can it be pass, to consider as the translation of the page.

Patricialiew (talk) 20:21, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Patricialiew, no. if there is nothing to support the notability of the person per WP:BIO guidelines, the article should not be published into mainspace. If you do so, there are risks that it will either be moved back into draftspace, or be nominated to be deleted. Also, there is a concern which I have not raised yet, conflict of interest. What is your connection to the subject, given that you and him share the same surname? – robertsky (talk) 02:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

– robertsky you mean that if the English reference does not prove notability, even the chinese can prove it, then the notability cannot be proven? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patricialiew (talk • contribs)

@Patricialiew: er. your question is a bit vague. Let me rephrase into a couple of possible questions and answer them:

Question: Can the English article survive without references even when the Chinese article there? Answer: No. We cannot cite en.wiki or for the matter of fact, any wikis as they are considered as user-generated sources.

Question: Must I only use English references? Answer: No. You can use references from any languages, as long as they can be verified by another editor.

Do any of the above answer your question? – robertsky (talk) 08:53, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

– robertsky hi, thank you for your reply. I would like to ask if i found some newspapers and was reported that he is the famous food critic. and i amend the wikipedia by focusing that he is the writer and foodcritic. Is it is sufficient to prove notability? Furthermore, the https://archive.org/details/20200611_20200611_0939/4%E7%99%BE%E5%B9%B4%E5%90%8D%E4%BA%BA%E5%BD%953%20%282%29.jpg able to prove his life time story as this is the editor by some other author

Patricialiew (talk) 14:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Patricialiew, if the sources are of significant coverage about him, yes. As for the archive.org link, first I am wary about profile write-ups in award listings (this is similar to Forbes' 30 under 30 list) as such write-ups are not vetted properly; second I am troubled by the upload of what may possibly a copyrighted material by you into archive.org when its TOS discourages the upload of copyrighted materials. Nonethless, if you think it can be used, go ahead. Do continue to improve on the draft. – robertsky (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Maxim's Caterers

Hi – robertsky,

Thanks for your feedback. Can you suggest changes to make my contribution to this article more neutral? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim's_Caterers#Controversies

I used independent sources and was not promoting any content at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjoriepedrozo (talk • contribs)

@Marjoriepedrozo: The main source of your edit that drives the main point is the website https://www.maximscruelty.com/, which is Equitas Global related website. Equitas Global is known to create such websites and pushing its content on Wikipedia in such manner. – robertsky (talk) 02:21, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

@Robertsky: Your feedback was that I was promoting Maxim's Caterers, which I was not. In this case, I will delete the website https://www.maximscruelty.com/ and just have it as a reference, as it shows how the company is being criticized. Besides that, do you have any tips on how to sound more neutral? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marjoriepedrozo (talk • contribs)

@Marjoriepedrozo: I am saying that the website is not a reliable reference. Find other third-party, reliable, and independent sources reporting on the animal abuse first. Otherwise, the section will removed for not having proper sources to back the criticism/claims up. – robertsky (talk) 02:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

About Vintage Camera Museum

Hi, you recently Draftified Vintage Camera Museum for COI. I was the one who accepted it from AfC. I'm relatively new to reviewing AfC and I want to learn from my mistakes. Would you mind letting me know how you could tell / why you thought it's a COI? Because the draft didn't come off that way to me at all. Thanks! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 14:36, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Mcguy15, it is all good. you will get the hang of it. there are a few signs. First are the references. Initial version is mostly bare urls, and if we consider them as references, a form of refbombing. Next is the name of the author of the draft. It is a partial match of the name of the co-owner founder, which can be found in the references. Some Indians have a long first name, and would shorten their names to either an initial, or just taking the one or a couple of the first few syllabus in the first name for the ease of others to call them. – robertsky (talk) 16:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I've never thought to check usernames against founders' names and not just the company. I will try to do this going forward! Mcguy15 (talk, contribs) 16:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

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Request on 18:54:29, 5 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by IyataYada

• IyataYada (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Naosaku Takahashi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Naosaku Takahashi is a historical person and was an important figure of social work in Japan, during and after the war, WWII. Unfortunately, his writings and critical evaluations were published in Japanese only. But I (IyataYada) tried to cite the limited literature which is housed in National Diet Library of Japan for reference. Yes, as you said, he is not a famous in the U.S.A. and other foreign countries. However, is it wrong that I introduce a famous man in Japan to the world in English? Moreover, he is already a historical person. He is dead. But I don't think that his life for the people should be killed in English speaking world. His Japanese version of Wikipedia is as follows: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%AB%99%E6%A9%8B%E7%9B%B4%E4%BD%9C

IyataYada (talk) 18:54, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

IyataYada, おはようございます. oh hem... apologies. looks like I interpreted the guidelines wrongly. Autobiography can be used if it is used as a source of information about the subject themselves. Let me review it again. – robertsky (talk) 21:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

IyataYada, there is a sentence or two that is not translated in the Major works section. Would you like to translate it? – robertsky (talk) 21:53, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Untitled section

Hi @Robertsky, there is an article we submitted with references that were added. But it has never been reviewed. Kindly advise on what else needs to be done. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGCAfrica (talk • contribs) 20:40, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

PGCAfrica, what's the link to the article/draft? – robertsky (talk) 21:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Robertsky, thanks for your response. The link as follows: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PGCAfrica/sandbox — Preceding unsigned comment added by PGCAfrica (talk • contribs) 21:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

PGCAfrica, it has yet to be submitted for review. Do add {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page. That being said, your draft would likely receive a declined response as there are a number of references which do not discuss the subject directly; or are listing pages; or do not seem to be relevant. – robertsky (talk) 15:11, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@Robertsky, thank you once again for your helpfulness. I have reworked on the references, which are related to the the subject matter.

draft of Lokesh Chugh

greetings, you have declined the submission of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lokesh_Chugh#Page_about_Mr._Lokesh_Chugh%2C_an_eminent_politician_who_is_well_known_for_raising_student_matters._We_look_forward_to_approval_of_the_concerned_page. on what basic grounds i dont know, he being an eminent politician having verified twitter and facebook accounts I think have more than enough credibility for being on a normal information seeking platform for the youth. He will not get harmed in any way for not being on wikipedia, but will affect tremendously the youth who see him as his ideal and approach him to get their grievances solved. so, i request you to tell me what is the reason behind you declining his page.--Muskaan sachdeva (talk) 09:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Muskaan sachdeva: same reason as previously commented by another reviewer: for biographies of living people, the references have to be inline with the content, not at the end of the article. – robertsky (talk) 16:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

good evning, first of all i have been in regular conversation with him and we reached on a consensus too. next, sub division is already there in the politica life column. only three reference links are there in the end just because they have all three components like personal, professional and political life, so ideally no sub division could be done. but, still if you want me to do sub division please guide me on where to add the three links. i look forward to your response. thank you--Muskaan sachdeva (talk) 17:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Muskaan sachdeva, you should shift the references to the end of the applicable sentences. If the references is to be reused, you can duplicate accordingly. You can read the guide User:Nick Moyes/Easier Referencing for Beginners on the general steps to take. – robertsky (talk) 17:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Another Chinese actress birth date issue

Hey, Zhang Jingchu has had several IP editors change her birthdate without a source and without explanation to several different conflicting dates, and I wouldn't know which is correct. Under 'Early life' a 1977 date is given, but is sourced to 'chinesemov.com' which doesn't seem like a reliable source to me. Thought I'd contact you again about this issue given your diligence in this field. Great work with reverting unsourced stuff (especially the massive amount of unexplained height additions!) on BLPs. Waxworker (talk) 07:10, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Waxworker, refs that I have found thus far point to 1980 as the birth year. You're welcome. :) – robertsky (talk) 08:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

AfC lists

Hi,

I see you edited the AfC mailing lists. We are using these for the backlog so I have completely updated from the base lists. I think all the manual removals you did are included on the update.

Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 20:00, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

KylieTastic, yeah, i did. i removed those who are blocked for one reason or another. cheers – robertsky (talk) 20:36, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive

Hello Robertsky:

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The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.
There is currently a backlog of over 1400 articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!

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Draft system

hi, which group of users they can move a page to draft?--Reza Amper (talk) 20:01, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Reza Amper, registered users who are in the autoconfirmed user group can freely move pages. There shouldn't be any other restrictions to move articles pages to the Draft space. I suggest installing and using User:Evad37/MoveToDraft script if you are draftifying articles as it will also send a courtesy message to the article creator among other steps. – robertsky (talk) 20:07, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Abdullah Sulaiman Al Rajhi

hi robert you have reviewed my page and you note that the list of positions/memberships should be converted into prose expand into a chronology but I think that most of the pages that contain positions and memberships do not carry a chronological order So I thought it was not mandatory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elshitaq (talk • contribs) 21:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Naosaku Takahashi

Hi Robertsky,

Thank you very much for your help and review! I was encouraged for further contributions to Wikipedia.

Best regards, IyataYada (talk • contribs) 13:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Request on 19:28:01, 9 July 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by DavidJMoss

• DavidJMoss (talk · contribs)
  • User:DavidJMoss (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for reviewing my draft: TobeyCMossGallery webpage. My first one. This gallery has now closed and this is not an advertisement but rather a history of my mother's 40 year noteworthy career and mission, as best as I could state it. All the words have references cited below. So, are you saying that even if I properly cite something, I can't show it here? I don't understand. In another section of the rules, it says DO NOT say anything that ISN'T published somewhere else. So, I am damned if I do and damned if I don't. Please explain exactly which sentence is the problem. DavidJMoss (talk) 19:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

DavidJMoss (talk) 19:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

DavidJMoss: The text came off promotional as there are direct copy and paste texts from copyrighted sources, from which some sounded promotional. I think you may have missed the part on copyright violations. I suggest rewording as much as possible. i.e. the part which contains text copied from 'Encouraged by veteran...' in [1] onwards needs a rewrite. There is also one more text that is take from the Background section in [2] which I can't make up my mind for now on the copyright status of the text. – robertsky (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I sort of get it. I reread the copyright violations and see that any copyrighted words I put in can then be freely used and copied. which is not good. I will look at the whole thing again. DavidJMoss (talk) 20:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Robertsky, regarding Draft:TobeyCMossGallery I do not see any text copied from 'Encouraged by veteran...' onward in [3]. Are you reading a much older version? Is the version that Spilbrick edited on at 19:31, 9 July 2021 acceptable to you? If that version is acceptable, I am ok with it. If you have a problem with the inclusion of some of the cited references because THEY are copyrighted, I am ok with removing them. Please let me know. DavidJMoss (talk) 22:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft Abdullah Sulaiman Al Rajhi

You last reviewed my page and demanded that positions and memberships be in the form of a prose paragraph with chronology And attach sources as much as possible And I actually improved it based on your notice And I think it's ready for your review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Abdullah_Sulaiman_Al_Rajhi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elshitaq (talk • contribs)

@Elshitaq: I made some minor tweaks to the presentation of the article and left some citation tags as well which are to be resolved first. – robertsky (talk) 06:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I have resolved the citations thank you very much I appreciate your help and tell me if there is anything wrong !

ITN recognition for Jose Jaime Espina

On 12 July 2021, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jose Jaime Espina, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 01:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

birth cert

Re your comment on WP:UAA, "recommend user to reach out to OTRS with birth cert?"

1. What would it prove? Having researched my family tree, I could prove that I am any one of my ancestors born from 1840 onwards.
2. WP:VRT does not have any means of safely holding, or disposing of, this personal information once it's received.

If you haven't read or seen The Day of the Jackal (book, film), it's a good yarn. The storyline will shake your assumption that a birth certificate proves identity. - Cabayi (talk) 09:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)